Oi! How dare you use his own bad logic back at him!
All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
All Whites v China Nov 15th 12:25am SS1
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Are the boys flying business class theses days? A nice one leg flight, walk in the park.
Auckland will rise once more
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I doubt there would be 20ish business class seats on the plane.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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I noticed Chris Wood tweeted that he had to slum it in lower class on the way to China from London. Poor choice of words. He's still young so probably didn't think about what he was saying and how it could offend people.
Anyway I hope we score some goals tonight.
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Clearly been in the UK for too long!
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I take back my last comment if they are flying y class. No wonder people have better things to do like attending weddings.
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I noticed Chris Wood tweeted that he had to slum it in lower class on the way to China from London. Poor choice of words. He's still young so probably didn't think about what he was saying and how it could offend people.
Anyway I hope we score some goals tonight.
To be fair, it was more of a banter with Tommy Smith, who was in business class. It was clearly a joke, in relation to that fact.
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Given up looking for the China starting XI.
As the Hengda players had only recently arrived in camp for training Camacho had run a couple of sessions where he mixed up the positions so that no one knew which was going to be the preferred line up. Camacho himself said that he would not play the Hengda players for the full 90 mins but that he expected any player to give 100% when on.
Pundits are picking most of the Hengda players to start but then get subbed in the second half.
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So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
Pretty much.
I've always wondered why they dont just scrap mid season international friendlies and then make a big 2 month window or something at the end/start of every season so teams can spend lots of time training as a group, and get some consistency. Play 4 or 5 games or a whole qualifying tourny in that time.. ?
Clubs and leagues would never agree to that kind of thing.
Surely clubs would prefer their players only leaving in the offseason and not randomly every couple of weeks... but yeah my initial idea was thinking around the base european league start and end dates
I have a hard time believing clubs would want to hand over their players/valuable assets to someone else for two months a year on an annual basis. They barely tolerate it for a 2 game window (World Cups and EUROs are clearly an exception based on their tremendous popularity and tradition, so they can't really do anything there). Doing in the off-season simply can't happen, players need a break otherwise they'll burn out. And shortening the season by 2 months would create a whole drama in terms scheduling and fixture congestion, have a significant impact on TV and marketing deals, so really it's hard to see why the clubs and leagues would agree to something that doesn't benefit them at all and has the potential to cause them quite a few problems.
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They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
Seriously? You think that a training camp is adequate preparation for important games? Guess that's why no team in the weeks building-up to the World Cup never play any friendly games during that time. Oh, wait, they do. Quite a few in fact, 4-5 friendlies in the 2-3 week period before the World Cup is quite common. They must not have the requisite expertise to realise that all this game time is useless, and that all you need is to spend a couple of weeks training together, and then you're world beaters.
The point is while training time is important, it cannot replicate game conditions, and it also can't replicate the different styles, approaches and skill levels that other international teams bring to the table in actual games. If you don't get exposed to those with some regularity, you end up looking like a bunch of muppets who've stepped on the football field for the first time. And of course, this happened to us repeatedly, not so long ago. We collectively bemoaned the fact that we weren't playing enough international football and were woefully inexperienced at that level, and then NZ Football decides to fix that, invests money into playing more games against decent opposition every year to give us more international exposure and experience, and now all of a sudden that's a dumb thing to do?
What the fuck does the All Whites fan base really want?
Do you mean England, or Spain, or Aussie or any other international team which in a year were playing more internationals than what we were over 4 years until very recently, because if your refering to them you point loses alot of value. We need to what is best for us, not compare ourselves to teams and say it work for them, lets look at what works for us.
I also guess there is no reason for teams to go on pre season tours either... might as well just fly back and forth to every game, Got to get that match practice in, screw learning who your team mates are and how they play inbetween or before games...
How good a performance can we expect from a player whose just spent 32 hours traveling, had one training session whilst being jet lagged to shit, only then to play the very next day??
And EL G, when they do their 4 - 5 friendlies before the World Cup are they constantly assembled... yes. Kind of what i'm saying we need to do?? I just used 2 as a number, but if we could get more brilliant. My point being, and i'll be very specific here, one off games like this China one, where players play a club game, jump on a plane, arrive, train once and then play offer us very little as a team.
Whats the definition of an idiot, doing the same thing again and again but expecting different results.
Good to see Ricki trying something new.
The European countries are the ones that least need the friendlies, and they're the ones that can afford to experiment most in them. We need them - we have very little international experience compared to other international teams, and every game against decent opposition is worth its weight in gold.
Don't understand the pre-season tour point, they are mostly commercial ventures. But you'll also notice that during pre-season training, clubs play a lot of friendlies. Because guess what - game time is important.
As for how good a performance we can expect after the travel? Guess what again - we have to do that for World Cup qualifying too. Is that useless too?
It's funny that you mention doing the same thing over again - we have started doing this only in the last 2-3 years. Prior to that, it wasn't unusual to have the All Whites play 1 or 2 games a year before that. And that clearly worked really well for us, let's do that again! Can't string 3 passes together against Tahiti? Who cares, we're not going to be able to fix team cohesion and work on our tactical approach in friendlies! Since of course, it'll be much easier to do that when we spend 60 hours travelling around the whole fucking world in 4 days in the play-off against Costa Rica!
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So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
Pretty much.
I've always wondered why they dont just scrap mid season international friendlies and then make a big 2 month window or something at the end/start of every season so teams can spend lots of time training as a group, and get some consistency. Play 4 or 5 games or a whole qualifying tourny in that time.. ?
Clubs and leagues would never agree to that kind of thing.
Surely clubs would prefer their players only leaving in the offseason and not randomly every couple of weeks... but yeah my initial idea was thinking around the base european league start and end dates
I have a hard time believing clubs would want to hand over their players/valuable assets to someone else for two months a year on an annual basis. They barely tolerate it for a 2 game window (World Cups and EUROs are clearly an exception based on their tremendous popularity and tradition, so they can't really do anything there). Doing in the off-season simply can't happen, players need a break otherwise they'll burn out. And shortening the season by 2 months would create a whole drama in terms scheduling and fixture congestion, have a significant impact on TV and marketing deals, so really it's hard to see why the clubs and leagues would agree to something that doesn't benefit them at all and has the potential to cause them quite a few problems.
guess it depends on whether clubs would prefer to have their squads together for the whole season and then have their best performers go out straight after the season finishes OR having their best players leaving every month or so during the season + any tournys in off season.
All im saying is that teams already go out for big periods every two years for world cups / euros - why not make it an annual bracket - or two periods through the year?
Why have so many short windows when there could maybe be less but have them longer?
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I'd have thought for the reasons described in the comment that you quoted.
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China Starting Lineup (4231)
22 WANG Dalei
5 ZHANG Linpeng; 4 Zhao Peng; 6 FENG Xiaoting; 3 SUN Xiang
23 QIN Sheng; 7 ZHAO Xuri
20 YU Hanchao; 10 ZHENG Zhi; 21 YU Hai
18 GAO Lin
Subs: 1 - ZENG Cheng, 2 - ZHENG Zheng, 9 - YANG Xu, 11 - YU Dabao, 12 - GENG Xiaofeng, 13 - LIU Jianye, 14 - FENG Renliang, 15 - XU Bo, 17 - LIU Jian, 19 - LU Peng, 24 - YU Yang, 25 - ZHU Ting
Edit: A similar line up to their 15 Aug game against Ghana (1-1 draw), but with ZHANG Linpeng and YU Hai starting instead of LIU Jianye and HAO Junmin (injured) respectively.
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Fire Up, game day COYAW
Good to see NZ Football promoting the game, nothing from their twitter feed for over 7 hours. How bout hyping the game up a bit
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Will be following the game, at work, on Twitter and on here. Looking forward to it! Excited to read about the line-up, dont really understand Sigmund at RB when Bertos is in squad but there ya go! Should be very exciting if we can get Marco and Kosta on the ball.
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China Starting Lineup (4231)
22 WANG Dalei
5 ZHANG Linpeng; 4 Zhao Peng; 6 FENG Xiaoting; 3 SUN Xiang
23 QIN Sheng; 7 ZHAO Xuri
20 YU Hanchao; 10 ZHENG Zhi; 21 YU Hai
18 GAO Lin
Subs: 1 - ZENG Cheng, 2 - ZHENG Zheng, 9 - YANG Xu, 11 - YU Dabao, 12 - GENG Xiaofeng, 13 - LIU Jianye, 14 - FENG Renliang, 15 - XU Bo, 17 - LIU Jian, 19 - LU Peng, 24 - YU Yang, 25 - ZHU Ting
Edit: A similar line up to their 15 Aug game against Ghana (1-1 draw), but with ZHANG Linpeng and YU Hai starting instead of LIU Jianye and HAO Junmin (injured) respectively.
All 7 Hengda players are starting - so expect to see most of them subbed out. Speedster FENG Renliang will come on (fast but not much else. Was linked with Spurs earlier on in the year), and I would think YU Dabao as well who is quite handy.
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http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/102473/1/china-vs-new-zealand-live-stream-online.html
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Has anyone got a stream that's working? The one above isn't working for me.
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It's a feature of the CSL.
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Pretty attacking/open game from both teams. We're stringing some passes together.
As I type we concede.
Fuck this stupid game
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I can't get any of the streams to work... left work early for blank screens.
hurting right now.
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Lets keep the updates coming! Anyone on twitter who is tweeting this live?
Normo's coming home
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Another chance from Rojas. Right foot volley, great save fron their keeper
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Agreed siggy has been good in the tackle but getting caught out far to much.
Maybe bertos at the break
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Lets keep the updates coming! Anyone on twitter who is tweeting this live?
craftbeer_nz doing really good updates.
Reads like him and Dale are watching different games though.
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