All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
That is open to a lot of exploitation then. Players would rarely have to be released for the first game in a window.
Surely the way to go would be to treat the window as a single call up.
It's bloody frustrating - and I was as pissed as anyone with the withdraws from the Nations Cup - but now I've calmed down, we've got to face realities of the situation...this was always on the cards...really, the only matches that matter from now on [for the PL stars] are the March qualifiers, and then [very preferably] a couple of friendlies in the September/October windows prior to the big ones in November 2013.
Here's hoping for a spirited showing on Wednesday.
Games he has played in:
Olympics
First game in his hometown chch
World Cup
Intercontinental playoff that got us to World Cup.
Pretty bloody selective if you ask me. All about him.
To be fair, he did play in Auckland against Jamaica.
Just had a chat to de Jong about Nelsen. You'll have to wait until the pod comes out to know what he said.
Nelsen's club is in dire shit... and he's not training midweek just to be able to play on the weekends.
Having him play midweek, whcih could possibly cause further damage (which he is managing now) and put him out for a while is something that wouldn't do his struggling club any favours.
So, does he choose to play a meaningless friendly (we are not qualitfying for anything or playing in a major comp) or try to manage his health and keep his team in the premiership, and potentially in doing so earn another year on his contract, which would allow him to train and play at the highest level possible, which also would serve NZ football as well heading towards the 2014 World Cup.
Don't get all the angst.
Curious as to what Winston Reids comments mean.... dig at things at home or at the NZ set up?
I guess we'll know when this game comes up:
TUE 27 NOV 2012 - PREMIER LEAGUE
Hasn't been training between games?
http://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/ji-sung-park-still6-out-but13-nelsen-overcomes-injury
"Nelsen was also unable to train earlier this week but took part in Friday’s session and is expected play against the Potters."
I think its more to do with them wanting him to be fresh for their crucial game against Southampton, and a suspension to Mbia rather than any risk of aggravating an injury...
I dont mind winny and ryan not coming because tis a friednly, but annoyed when it happens for important games
How can we expect to perform in important games if we can't get our best team on the park more than 1-2 times a year?
nations cup was unacceptable - 2 game friendly series with weekend window even should have them - but midweek on other side of world doesnt seem to benefit the side if they are only gonna get 1 session together.
Come on the team the scores the most goals!
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They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
I think the record is broken on this one...same old.
Anyway...starting lineups now?
If we build it, they will come...
Nelsen is injured but not ok he misses the game. Killen wants to go to his mates wedding and it's ok?
This
Would it be acceptable if Nelsen was going to a wedding?
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
Nobody cares whether Killen plays.
We do care whether Nelsen plays.
I would have thought that was obvious.
So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
Well yes. But that isn't practically possible.
If Ryan Nelsen had played in every All Whites game since debuting in '99, tonight would be his 100th cap. Instead he's on 49.
So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
That's a tough ask. That window is bound to stuff up rather a few leagues throughout the world. It's already done to an extent every 4 years around World Cup time.
EDIT: 2B beat me to it.
Went back and had a look at the games he has missed recently.
China 25 March 2011 – Played 90 minutes for Blackburn on 20 March. Played 90 minutes for Blackburn on 3 April.
Mexico 1 June 2011 - Off Season
Australia 5 June 2011 - Off Season
El Salvador May 2012 – Off Season
Honduras May 2012 – Off Season
Nation’s Cup June 2012 - Off Season
Tahiti 12 Oct 2012 – Played 90 minutes for QPR on 7 Oct. Played 90 minutes for QPR on 21 Oct.
China 14 Nov 2012 - Played 90 minutes for QPR on 11 Nov. TBD
They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
Went back and had a look at the games he has missed recently.
China 25 March 2011 – Played 90 minutes for Blackburn on 20 March. Played 90 minutes for Blackburn on 3 April.
Mexico 1 June 2011 - Off Season
Australia 5 June 2011 - Off Season
El Salvador May 2012 – Off Season
Honduras May 2012 – Off Season
Nation’s Cup June 2012 - Off Season
Tahiti 12 Oct 2012 – Played 90 minutes for QPR on 7 Oct. Played 90 minutes for QPR on 21 Oct.
China 14 Nov 2012 - Played 90 minutes for QPR on 11 Nov. TBD
Queenslander 3x a year.
Camacho says that the average age of the Chinese squad is 25 so a bit younger than his previous experiments.
Also HAO Junmin is out (a key player) with injury and Hengda's players (7 in the squad) may not play the full 90 as they have just a CFA Cup match on 11 Nov and the 2nd leg is on 18 Nov.
Can't find any announcement of the starting line up yet.
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Crowd expected to be pretty low (the Chinese team aren't a real crowd puller thanks to some poor form over the last two+ years). But over 20K is expected.
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Piney says we are playing a 4-1-4-1 formation. I approve.
So basically why bother having friendlies ever then? Good point..........
allwhites starting XI (in a 4-1-4-1 formation) Paston, Sigmund, Reid, Smith, Lochhead, Keat, Rojas, McGlinchey, Payne, Barbarouses, Wood
Awesome lineup - surprised siggy at RB and not Bertos.
But this is eactly what I wanted to see. Even better as they are starting both keat and Payne and no Vicelich
4-1-4-1 formation with Dan Keat in the DM role. Hope he distributes the ball well so we don't have to have our CB's passing the ball back to Pasty to lump it forward.
Liberal use of the letters X Y and Z in the Chinese Squad
Cheng Zeng (gk), Zheng Zheng, Xiang Sun, Peng Zhao, Linpeng Zhang, Xiaoting Feng, Xuri Zhao, Junmin Hao, Xu Yang, Zhi Zheng, Dabao Yu, Xiaofeng Geng (gk), Jianye Liu, Renliang Feng, Bo Xu, Jian Lu, Lin Gao, Peng Pv, Hanchao Yu, Hai Yu, Dalei Wang (gk), Shneg Qin, Yang Yu, Ting Zhu
Liberal use of the letters X Y and Z in the Chinese Squad
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Eh?
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Ooh! In the Chinese media I see Smeltz is referred to as "Luneng Breach of Contract" Smeltz.
*chortle*
They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
Do you mean England, or Spain, or Aussie or any other international team which in a year were playing more internationals than what we were over 4 years until very recently, because if your refering to them you point loses alot of value. We need to what is best for us, not compare ourselves to teams and say it work for them, lets look at what works for us.
I also guess there is no reason for teams to go on pre season tours either... might as well just fly back and forth to every game, Got to get that match practice in, screw learning who your team mates are and how they play inbetween or before games...
How good a performance can we expect from a player whose just spent 32 hours traveling, had one training session whilst being jet lagged to shit, only then to play the very next day??
And EL G, when they do their 4 - 5 friendlies before the World Cup are they constantly assembled... yes. Kind of what i'm saying we need to do?? I just used 2 as a number, but if we could get more brilliant. My point being, and i'll be very specific here, one off games like this China one, where players play a club game, jump on a plane, arrive, train once and then play offer us very little as a team.
Whats the definition of an idiot, doing the same thing again and again but expecting different results.
Good to see Ricki trying something new.
They're professional players and i expect any team NZ puts out to perform.
Relying on two players so much is not healthy, we need to know we have adaquate replacements if ever needed. We will have greater depth because they are not playing. (thus Vicelich's continued run in the team concerns me)
Playing 5 - 6 games a year spread out wont do jack for getting the team working together, the gaps are too big, plus we play a system hardly used anywhere else. Its far more important in leading up to big games the players have time to train and work together.
I'd expect better results from a 2 week training camp for NZ before 2 internationals as opposed to 6 sporadic games played over a year.
Do you mean England, or Spain, or Aussie or any other international team which in a year were playing more internationals than what we were over 4 years until very recently, because if your refering to them you point loses alot of value. We need to what is best for us, not compare ourselves to teams and say it work for them, lets look at what works for us.
I also guess there is no reason for teams to go on pre season tours either... might as well just fly back and forth to every game, Got to get that match practice in, screw learning who your team mates are and how they play inbetween or before games...
How good a performance can we expect from a player whose just spent 32 hours traveling, had one training session whilst being jet lagged to shit, only then to play the very next day??
And EL G, when they do their 4 - 5 friendlies before the World Cup are they constantly assembled... yes. Kind of what i'm saying we need to do?? I just used 2 as a number, but if we could get more brilliant. My point being, and i'll be very specific here, one off games like this China one, where players play a club game, jump on a plane, arrive, train once and then play offer us very little as a team.
Whats the definition of an idiot, doing the same thing again and again but expecting different results.
Good to see Ricki trying something new.