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All Whites v Korea | Tuesday 31st March | 11:50pm | SS1

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about 11 years ago

Goalkeepers

Max Crocombe (0/0 – Oxford Utd, ENG)
Stefan Marinovic (0/0 - SpVgg Unterhaching, GER)

Defenders

Michael Boxall (11/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Sam Brotherton (0/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)
Thomas Doyle (1/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Louis Fenton (1/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Winston Reid (capt – 18/1 – West Ham Utd, ENG)
Storm Roux (6/0 – Central Coast Mariners, AUS)
Themistoklis Tzimopoulos (0/0 - PAS Giannina FC, GRE)
Deklan Wynne – (2/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)

Midfielders
Sam Burfoot (0/0 – Auckland City FC, NZL)
Clayton Lewis (0/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)
Michael McGlinchey (30/3 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Ryan Thomas (4/0 – PEC Zwolle, HOL)
Bill Tuiloma (7/0 – Olympique Marseille, FRA)
Benjamin van den Broek (0/0 - FC Universitatea Cluj, ROM)

Forwards

Kosta Barbarouses (28/2 – Melbourne Victory, AUS)
Tyler Boyd (5/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Ryan De Vries (0/0 – Auckland City FC, NZL)
Marco Rojas (20/1 – FC Thun, SWI)
Joel Stevens (2/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Chris Wood (37/13 – Ipswich Town FC, NZL)

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about 11 years ago

Wow.... That's certainly radical enough.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

if they say this, obviously he would have been there. Some big, big calls here. Exciting stuff. No Brockie even though he's scored four from four. 

"Jake Gleeson, who played in goal on the previous tour to China and Thailand, was unavailable for selection through injury."

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about 11 years ago

No Tommy Smith

No Jeremy Brockie

No Glen Moss

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about 11 years ago

This definitely sounds like a case of checking out two new goal keepers as Hudson continues to look for a back up to Moss.

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about 11 years ago

He has to be just trialling players cause there is no Jessie Edge or Adam Mitchell that were in the last squad. He is certainly casting his net wide to see what talent he has. I guess when you are in his shoes, there is only one way you find out if your cattle is good enough or not and that's to pick them and find out.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

if they say this, obviously he would have been there. Some big, big calls here. Exciting stuff. No Brockie even though he's scored four from four. 

"Jake Gleeson, who played in goal on the previous tour to China and Thailand, was unavailable for selection through injury."

Hudson made it clear in that interview, he was gonna build the core around the u23 side and add in experienced players later. Brockie not being selected isn't a slight on him, he knows what he brings and is casting the net wider. Same reasons why no Smeltz, Dura etc.
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I wonder what the go with Tommy Smith is though?

Also am I right in thinking Sam Burfoot never played for NZ U20s?

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about 11 years ago

Ipswich are in the play off hunt. At this point in time, do you want to see what you have around and potentially have an EPL Tommy Smith, or pick him, Ipswich lose and a Championship Tommy Smith?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Ipswich are in the play off hunt. At this point in time, do you want to see what you have around and potentially have an EPL Tommy Smith, or pick him, Ipswich lose and a Championship Tommy Smith?

Isnt Chris Wood out on loand at Ipswich?

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about 11 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

I wonder what the go with Tommy Smith is though?

Also am I right in thinking Sam Burfoot never played for NZ U20s?

He was in UK at the time and arrived back in NZ to late to be selected

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about 11 years ago

How bad can this affect the Nix? Game on the 29th, possible play off games. Not what I would call great timing.

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about 11 years ago

I thought he would pick Tim Payne

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about 11 years ago

Same with Cameron Howieson

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about 11 years ago

How many defenders does that leave the nix for those crucial games??

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about 11 years ago

Big advantages of being in Wanderers squad, opposed to elsewhere perhaps.

A fan is a fan.

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about 11 years ago
Payne is trialling in USA


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about 11 years ago

Can someone please update the Wikipedia page?

The latest squad got announced and my OCD is killing me cause it hasn't been updated.

I would do it myself, but I am not sure how to do it.

I tried and it was like [swg] >> [56 Smith] - [IPS,ENG]. I don't get it. 

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about 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Ipswich are in the play off hunt. At this point in time, do you want to see ... Ipswich lose ...?

Yes.

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about 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Goalkeepers

Max Crocombe (0/0 – Oxford Utd, ENG)
Stefan Marinovic (0/0 - SpVgg Unterhaching, GER)

Defenders

Michael Boxall (11/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Sam Brotherton (0/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)
Thomas Doyle (1/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Louis Fenton (1/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Winston Reid (capt – 18/1 – West Ham Utd, ENG)
Storm Roux (6/0 – Central Coast Mariners, AUS)
Themistoklis Tzimopoulos (0/0 - PAS Giannina FC, GRE)
Deklan Wynne – (2/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)

Midfielders
Sam Burfoot (0/0 – Auckland City FC, NZL)
Clayton Lewis (0/0 – Wanderers SC, NZL)
Michael McGlinchey (30/3 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Ryan Thomas (4/0 – PEC Zwolle, HOL)
Bill Tuiloma (7/0 – Olympique Marseille, FRA)
Benjamin van den Broek (0/0 - FC Universitatea Cluj, ROM)

Forwards

Kosta Barbarouses (28/2 – Melbourne Victory, AUS)
Tyler Boyd (5/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Ryan De Vries (0/0 – Auckland City FC, NZL)
Marco Rojas (20/1 – FC Thun, SWI)
Joel Stevens (2/0 – Wellington Phoenix, NZL)
Chris Wood (37/13 – Ipswich Town FC, NZL)

Hudsons got balls...I'll give him that

Green green defense....less than forty caps for eight players and Winston has got nearly half of those....ditto the midfield, Tuiloma is the second most experianced player

I can see Hudsons strategy....this squad has an Olympic look about it. He is in danger of a big thumping away in Korea with these players. Will questions start to be asked?  Probably not but there will be rumblings if we get a heavy defeat.

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about 11 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Ipswich are in the play off hunt. At this point in time, do you want to see ... Ipswich lose ...?

Yes.

OTBC

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about 11 years ago

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

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about 11 years ago

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Agree with this, but here is my take at it.

Chris James - Hasn't been called up since Uzbekistan, but maybe he doesn't fit the playing style of Hudson? 

Tommy Smith - Ipswich are in playoffs for promotion, I am a Norwich fan, and I would love to see them go up cause that means another NZ player in premier league etc.

Tim Payne - I heard he is on trial in the USA with Portland Timbers

Andrew Durante - is 32, turning 33 this year, for my liking a bit old but still good, but I see where Hudson is going and promoting youth for the All Whites

Glen Moss - Still looking for a back up for Mossy I reckon, but really dodgy against a strong side like South Korea

Jake Gleeson - Injured

Shame Smeltz - Yeah red hot form, but again, same issue as Durante, want to build for 2018.

The others, I have no clue why they weren't picked, but yeah, I could be wrong, but thats what I have heard.

In my opinion, Ricki Herbert was a good manager, a little too defensive for my own liking, but he wouldn't have done anything like what Hudson is trying to do now and as far as I know, if Herbert was still around, Lochhead and Christie would have been picked to play against South Korea. I like what Hudson is doing right now, and the squad seems very interesting so we will see what happens on the 31st :)

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about 11 years ago

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Have you actually watched the pravda interview with hudson below?

He clearly outlines his reasoning and why we have to play countries of the calibre of S Korea. My initial thoughts were "lambs to the slaughter" but I agree with Hudson that he needs to blood some new players. He's been transparent with us which is bloody awesome. I like his reasoning and I'm prepared for him to have some rope in these windows. Try to have a little faith.

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about 11 years ago

I know you have to start somewhere but I'm picking we will get hammered in Korea.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 11 years ago

CactusJones wrote:

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Agree with this, but here is my take at it.

Chris James - Hasn't been called up since Uzbekistan, but maybe he doesn't fit the playing style of Hudson? 

Tommy Smith - Ipswich are in playoffs for promotion, I am a Norwich fan, and I would love to see them go up cause that means another NZ player in premier league etc.

Tim Payne - I heard he is on trial in the USA with Portland Timbers

Andrew Durante - is 32, turning 33 this year, for my liking a bit old but still good, but I see where Hudson is going and promoting youth for the All Whites

Glen Moss - Still looking for a back up for Mossy I reckon, but really dodgy against a strong side like South Korea

Jake Gleeson - Injured

Shame Smeltz - Yeah red hot form, but again, same issue as Durante, want to build for 2018.

The others, I have no clue why they weren't picked, but yeah, I could be wrong, but thats what I have heard.

In my opinion, Ricki Herbert was a good manager, a little too defensive for my own liking, but he wouldn't have done anything like what Hudson is trying to do now and as far as I know, if Herbert was still around, Lochhead and Christie would have been picked to play against South Korea. I like what Hudson is doing right now, and the squad seems very interesting so we will see what happens on the 31st :)

I was going to do a similar breakdown. I would agree with most of this (except wanting to see Ipswich go up!). Now is the time in the WC cycle to try these guys - not 1 yr out. 

remember last time around Tim Brown got injured and we had to get Godfather out of retirement. not saying that was a bad thing - it would be good to know just how strong our depth is.

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about 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

I know you have to start somewhere but I'm picking we will get hammered in Korea.

So long as they don't put in a substandard performance like Thailand then i'll be reasonably satisified.

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about 11 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Have you actually watched the pravda interview with hudson below?

He clearly outlines his reasoning and why we have to play countries of the calibre of S Korea. My initial thoughts were "lambs to the slaughter" but I agree with Hudson that he needs to blood some new players. He's been transparent with us which is bloody awesome. I like his reasoning and I'm prepared for him to have some rope in these windows. Try to have a little faith.



Yes I have watched the interview and yes I can see why Hudsons wanting to play quality opposition, but to my mind young players are probably better off being bought in against easier teams (if a young player comes in and gets absolutely dicked in his first appearance its not going to be good for his confidence. Also the more experienced players a young debutante has around him the more they can help him adjust and also help cover for his mistakes unlike other young players who will likely compound his error). Just want to say from the earlier post I am not saying that all of those players should have been picked and I really like the fact Hudson is rotating the squad but my point is there is ALOT of experienced good players that we are going to go into battle against a top side without. Really don't want to see young players getting visibly crushed on their debut.
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about 11 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

CactusJones wrote:

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Agree with this, but here is my take at it.

Chris James - Hasn't been called up since Uzbekistan, but maybe he doesn't fit the playing style of Hudson? 

Tommy Smith - Ipswich are in playoffs for promotion, I am a Norwich fan, and I would love to see them go up cause that means another NZ player in premier league etc.

Tim Payne - I heard he is on trial in the USA with Portland Timbers

Andrew Durante - is 32, turning 33 this year, for my liking a bit old but still good, but I see where Hudson is going and promoting youth for the All Whites

Glen Moss - Still looking for a back up for Mossy I reckon, but really dodgy against a strong side like South Korea

Jake Gleeson - Injured

Shame Smeltz - Yeah red hot form, but again, same issue as Durante, want to build for 2018.

The others, I have no clue why they weren't picked, but yeah, I could be wrong, but thats what I have heard.

In my opinion, Ricki Herbert was a good manager, a little too defensive for my own liking, but he wouldn't have done anything like what Hudson is trying to do now and as far as I know, if Herbert was still around, Lochhead and Christie would have been picked to play against South Korea. I like what Hudson is doing right now, and the squad seems very interesting so we will see what happens on the 31st :)

I was going to do a similar breakdown. I would agree with most of this (except wanting to see Ipswich go up!). Now is the time in the WC cycle to try these guys - not 1 yr out. 

remember last time around Tim Brown got injured and we had to get Godfather out of retirement. not saying that was a bad thing - it would be good to know just how strong our depth is.

Don't really want to see a world cup team in 2018 with two players "Unattached" players and 1 player who works full time in a bank again. But yeah, now is the best time, Herbert called Reid and Smith into the squad last minute in 2010, but lets be honest, he was lucky they were actually good. 

OTBC :P

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about 11 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

No Jeremy Brockie - 4 goals in 4 games
No Chris James - arguably NZ's best player in the world cup play offs
No Tommy Smith - NZ's second best centre halve
No Cam Howieson - talented young player
No Tim Payne - talented young player
No Andrew Durante - NZ's third best centre halve
No Glen Moss - NZ's number 1 keeper
No Jake Gleeson - NZ's number 2 keeper
No Scott Basilaj - arguably NZ's number 3 keeper
No Shane Smeltz - in hot form right now in Sydney
 
I know there are reasons alot of these players weren't picked but still that is a HUGE number of experienced/good first team/close to first team players to not have in a squad to face Korea of all the teams.

Have you actually watched the pravda interview with hudson below?

He clearly outlines his reasoning and why we have to play countries of the calibre of S Korea. My initial thoughts were "lambs to the slaughter" but I agree with Hudson that he needs to blood some new players. He's been transparent with us which is bloody awesome. I like his reasoning and I'm prepared for him to have some rope in these windows. Try to have a little faith.



Yes I have watched the interview and yes I can see why Hudsons wanting to play quality opposition, but to my mind young players are probably better off being bought in against easier teams (if a young player comes in and gets absolutely dicked in his first appearance its not going to be good for his confidence. Also the more experienced players a young debutante has around him the more they can help him adjust and also help cover for his mistakes unlike other young players who will likely compound his error). Just want to say from the earlier post I am not saying that all of those players should have been picked and I really like the fact Hudson is rotating the squad but my point is there is ALOT of experienced good players that we are going to go into battle against a top side without. Really don't want to see young players getting visibly crushed on their debut.

Good point! but the All Whites SHOULD be playing two teams every international window, 1 Class team like South Korea, and 1 average as team like Philippines or something. The average team can be where all these players make their debut. 

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If however you look at the players who are not in the squad, only two would be guarenteed of selection in the first eleven - if we were playing Mexico in a world cup qualifier tomorrow (Moss and Smith). Smiths absence could solely be down to Ipswich going for promotion.

So the actual team that lines up against Korea may not be too far of the finished article. Hudson does however get to spend a week looking at everyone (contact time I believe he calls it)


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about 11 years ago

6 Nix in the squad, will they be gone for the game on the 29th, or is this what the charity game is about - to test and see who might be worth a call up or a recall to the game?

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about 11 years ago

I think that as much as there will be be people that absolutely hate it, there is one in-escapable fact: Hudson has been more transparent and upfront about the plans that any football manager I have ever heard of. 

This was not a surprise. Sure the names might be, but he said up front "half this team will be kids so some players will be rested" He has put his entire hand on the table, stuck his colours to the mast and is absolutely going with it. Yes we might get thrashed but I suspect he knows that's very much a possibility. He didn't pick a team to win, but to find out what he has.

In that respect, I can only say that I find him refreshingly honest in contrast to what is NZF and he has my support. If we get thrashed, I'll be able to look at the bigger picture on the Monday. You can guarantee on the Monday, Hudson will never die wondering that's for sure.

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about 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I think that as much as there will be be people that absolutely hate it, there is one in-escapable fact: Hudson has been more transparent and upfront about the plans that any football manager I have ever heard of. 

This was not a surprise. Sure the names might be, but he said up front "half this team will be kids so some players will be rested" He has put his entire hand on the table, stuck his colours to the mast and is absolutely going with it. Yes we might get thrashed but I suspect he knows that's very much a possibility. He didn't pick a team to win, but to find out what he has.

In that respect, I can only say that I find him refreshingly honest in contrast to what is NZF and he has my support. If we get thrashed, I'll be able to look at the bigger picture on the Monday. You can guarantee on the Monday, Hudson will never die wondering that's for sure.

I agree with you Jeff but I wish he wasn't picking the Korea game as the one to do it. I can see us conceding 5+ goals. Not happy about that.  

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about 11 years ago

In 2.5 years we will be playing a massive play-off game to qualify for the world cup, probably against a team that on paper is significantly better than us. Maybe Hudson is looking to work with a core nucleus of players over this 2.5 years, moudling them into a very tight defensive unit that is able to contain teams and try to pinch a goal on the break. I can see some kind of plan where if we play South Korea now we lose 5-0, if we play them in a year we lose 2-0, and if we play them in 2 years we draw 0-0.

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about 11 years ago

Yeah, it's not just trying players out to see if they're good enough, but also giving them that experience of travelling with the team, going to a different environment in terms of culture and maybe climate, and playing against quality opposition. If we have that playoff game and 4 or 5 first  teamers are injured or suspended then the guys being called upon to step up into the squad and maybe get some game time are going to be coming into an environment they're at least somewhat familiar with.

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about 11 years ago

Hudson idea is a good one. I like seeing players like Crocombe, Stevens, Burfoot and Wynne getting a chance but I doubt about some others, I would prefer to see Brockie instead of de Vries (who's not so young) or Basalaj (maybe Moss considering the other side) instead of Marinovic. It's ok if he wants to bring some kids to the team but not so many, specially against South Korea. I can't see us even getting a draw with this squad. NZF should arrenge these friendlies but also others against minor sides like Myanmar, India or Indonesia

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about 11 years ago

If you watch the interview you'll see exactly why we are playing a team of South Korea's calibre. This isn't about winning the next game it's about qualifying for the world cup.

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about 11 years ago

I understand that but there's a difference between playing a game not caring about the result and get trashed

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