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All Whites v RWC

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All Whites v RWC
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Had a lengthy argument with my brother last night about this. Interested in your thoughts.
 
I think it is. We're 90 minutes away from reaching the World Cup finals for the first time in 27 years, we're often written off in Football. Whereas with the All Blacks, they are expected to win the World Cup every time and always choke. The general media interest will be far superior in the All Blacks however this is a rare chance to get to the Worlds second biggest sporting event so I think it is a bigger game than the RWC final.
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Will probably be smyted for sitting on the fence but they're about the same.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Will probably be smyted for sitting on the fence but they're about the same.
 
Smyte
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Of course it's bigger. And I'm not budging on this, don't try to argue with me.
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Define 'bigger'.
 
NZ as no 1 team, playing a home final as a 65,000 seat stadium.  Sure, only four teams can win the tournament, but bigger than RWC final...  and yet I still can't write or vote "n#"  Probably because I know I wouldn't care anyway near as much about that game, even if I was going.
 
Still.

14/11/09

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Bigger for who? New Zealanders? To most New Zealanders the All Blacks winning the World Cup would mean more than this game. Whether that is right or wrong it is the way it is.
 
Bigger on the world stage? Certainly this game.

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Much bigger game, even if the majority of Kiwis don't realise it or the hype is bigger.
 
No thugby game has or ever will compare with the significance of any World Cup qualifier or match.
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And also this seems to be a pretty stupid question to ask on a football forum where most people despise Rugby

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Football, 210 countries and dependancies V Rugby 20ish countries ?? Of course appearing in the finals of the biggest tournament is more important.
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bopman wrote:
And also this seems to be a pretty stupid question to ask on a football forum where most people despise Rugby
 
perfect sample in my view
 
and hey, when my grandson (assuming I have one) retires a full national poll might well agree with this one 
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bopman wrote:
And also this seems to be a pretty stupid question to ask on a football forum where most people despise Rugby
 
you beat me to it bopman. 
 
aybe put the exact same poll on the silverfern forum and I would put my money on you getting the exact opposite result
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as most have said a fairly obvious result given what game we all love....rugby fans would like to think their game is bigger and the tournament is more important....end of the day the rugby "world" cup is not really a globally represented comp....the football one on the other hand is.

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Great place to have a pole like this.  Im sure the comments here will be representative of the general public.

For the record I think this is a bigger game that is if we make it.
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theprof wrote:
as most have said a fairly obvious result given what game we all love....rugby fans would like to think their game is bigger and the tournament is more important....end of the day the rugby "world" cup is not really a globally represented comp....the football one on the other hand is.
 
I don't think any Rugby fan would claim that the RWC is bigger than a Football World Cup well I hope none of them are that stupid. A lot of New Zealanders just enjoy Rugby more and so would rather see the All Blacks play in a final  let alone win one. But I would like to think that most rugby fans still appreciate the epicness of this Saturday.

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Crespo9 wrote:

Great place to have a pole like this.  Im sure the comments here will be representative of the general public.

For the record I think this is a bigger game that is if we make it.
 
When we make it i should say...
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Yeah, ahh well. Can't really gain much at all from most of these Fever polls anyway.

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What is Rugby???????? I think 22 people may play it here out of 27 million and Gooooooooooooaaaaallllll   to Sir Ricki and the glorious  AW's !!!!!!!!!
kiwiMalaysia422009-11-12 20:38:22
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It's a game where gay blokes rub up against each other while throwing an ovalish ball around.
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bopman wrote:
theprof wrote:
as most have said a fairly obvious result given what game we all love....rugby fans would like to think their game is bigger and the tournament is more important....end of the day the rugby "world" cup is not really a globally represented comp....the football one on the other hand is.

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I don't think any Rugby fan would claim that the RWC is bigger than a Football World Cup well I hope none of them are that stupid. A lot of New Zealanders just enjoy Rugby more and so would rather see the All Blacks play in a final �let alone win one. But I would like to think that most rugby fans still appreciate the epicness of this Saturday.


Read the Football Forums on Xtra.co.nz and you will realize they don't.
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Had a lengthy argument with my brother last night about this. Interested in your thoughts.
 
I think it is. We're 90 minutes away from reaching the World Cup finals for the first time in 27 years, we're often written off in Football. Whereas with the All Blacks, they are expected to win the World Cup every time and always choke. The general media interest will be far superior in the All Blacks however this is a rare chance to get to the Worlds second biggest sporting event so I think it is a bigger game than the RWC final.
 
FIFA world cup finals is the biggest sporting event!
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bopman wrote:
theprof wrote:
as most have said a fairly obvious result given what game we all love....rugby fans would like to think their game is bigger and the tournament is more important....end of the day the rugby "world" cup is not really a globally represented comp....the football one on the other hand is.
 
I don't think any Rugby fan would claim that the RWC is bigger than a Football World Cup well I hope none of them are that stupid. A lot of New Zealanders just enjoy Rugby more and so would rather see the All Blacks play in a final  let alone win one. But I would like to think that most rugby fans still appreciate the epicness of this Saturday.
 
Well they have been waiting some time since they made the final of a small tournament. I dont mind grassroots rugby at all. It's where the genuine passionate about their sport players play. It's the next levels up that annoy me.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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bopman wrote:
And also this seems to be a pretty stupid question to ask on a football forum where most people despise Rugby
 
Well,prefer football to rugby at least.

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sorry, I gotta vote no. This game will not be bigger.
 
If measured by TV coverage, spectator numbers or TV viewers, a RWC final would surpass this game in all counts.
 
Does the AWs game mean more to me though? Hell yeah!
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No

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Had a lengthy argument with my brother last night about this. Interested in your thoughts.
 
I think it is. We're 90 minutes away from reaching the World Cup finals for the first time in 27 years, we're often written off in Football. Whereas with the All Blacks, they are expected to win the World Cup every time and always choke. The general media interest will be far superior in the All Blacks however this is a rare chance to get to the Worlds second biggest sporting event so I think it is a bigger game than the RWC final.
 
The worlds biggest sporting event it's heaps bigger than the Olympics...

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I'm a die hard football fan and a person that simply can't stand the 'sport' rugby, so the answer is pretty clear
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I don't really want to join this argument as i'll sound like i'm defending rugby when really i am not.
 
i'll just say that i did watch the last rugby world cup final which NZ was not involved in, but i didn't have much interest at all in the football world cup playoff between Bahrain and Trinidad and Tobago other than thinking it seemed an incredibly weak tie when we (oceania) had to play off against Uruguay.
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Think people are underestimating how big this game is in the Middle East, and also the fact that there will be quite a few people in Europe watching, if just to complain about how a totally crap team will make it to the World Cup...
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phil_style wrote:
sorry, I gotta vote no. This game will not be bigger.
 
If measured by TV coverage, spectator numbers or TV viewers, a RWC final would surpass this game in all counts.
 
Does the AWs game mean more to me though? Hell yeah!
 
+1
 
Remember it's THIS game we're talking about, not how big globally the World Cup Finals are.
Jag2009-11-13 09:12:45

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el grapadura wrote:
Think people are underestimating how big this game is in the Middle East, and also the fact that there will be quite a few people in Europe watching, if just to complain about how a totally crap team will make it to the World Cup...
 
Is right. And they can all f*ck off. It's the WORLD Cup... gotta give the small teams a day in the sun.
 
Has to be the All Whites game for me. But if you judge it in terms of the wider New Zealand then sure. But this game is absolutely HUGE.
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I think it is the most important moment for NZ football, and I think the whole country will be looking towards Wellington on Saturday evening. Here in Portugal, a 100% football country (it is actually too much, because other sports have virtually no media coverage, and almost no financial support), there was a lot of attention given to the RWC qualifier with Uruguay.  However, and although I'm not a big rugby fan (I am, however, a Crusader and AB fan), I reckon that a RWC final, played in home soil and with the All Blacks, would definately be bigger, because whether we like it or not, rugby is the most popular sport in NZ, and a final is always a final.

However, I do believe this is the WC final in terms of what football represents to New Zealanders and what NZ football is, and if we book a spot in SA, I think the popularity and attention given to football will definately rise incredibly. You just can't compare the influence of the media in the early 1980s and the one they have today.

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Firstly we are not talking about the Football World Cup Finals but a qualifying match.

Secondly the RWC is the third biggest sporting event in the world and there are actually MORE than 20 (...97..) countries with Rugby Unions, and probably more like 7 or 8 teams could plausibly win the competition not 4 as said above. I am just saying its not exactly a small event even though the Fottball World Cup FINALS far surpass it.
 
Spectator numbers (minimum of 60,000 for  RWC Final), viewing numbers (17 million British people alone watched the final in 2007), and interest in NZ.....
 
RWC Final with AB's at Eden park would be bigger....
 
If NZ make it to the Football WC and play a big team (Brazil, England etc..) then maybe that could be considered a bigger game..but even then since we would have no chance of winning this hypothetical game then that would turn alot of people off
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davislach wrote:
Secondly the RWC is the third biggest sporting event in the world and there are actually�MORE than 20 (...97..)


This is wrong (although it gets pedalled often on TV here). The biggest three sporting events in the world (not counting annual one-off things like Superbowl) are the World Cup, Olympics and European football championships (EUROs). That's what the research of the last 20-odd years shows.

Where exactly Rugby World Cup fits in I don't know, but it's not in the top 3.
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Isn't the Football world cup the only international sporting event that makes profit?
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I based what I said on this: 
 
"Held every four years, RWC is the third biggest sporting event in the world. The 2011 tournament has an estimated television audience of more than four billion people worldwide."
 
 
 
It is possible that is not correct but a quick google search reveals quite a few pages which say it is
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Like I said, I've seen recent (non-Internet based) research from a UK company listing the 3 events I previously mentioned as the biggest.

It's possible that IRB's research suggests otherwise. But personally I'm sceptical about the claim.
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davislach wrote:
Secondly the RWC is the third biggest sporting event in the world and there are actually�MORE than 20 (...97..) countries with Rugby Unions, and probably more like 7 or 8 teams could plausibly win the competition not 4 as said above.


Please name these 7 or 8.
France England NZ Aus South Africa. Realistically.
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davislach wrote:
I based what I said on this: 
 
"Held every four years, RWC is the third biggest sporting event in the world. The 2011 tournament has an estimated television audience of more than four billion people worldwide."
 
 
 
It is possible that is not correct but a quick google search reveals quite a few pages which say it is

lol lol lol lol
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Euro's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RWC, surely.

 
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