All Whites v Qatar | Tues 20th June | 4:00am

Watching Rojas today and Boxall on Friday, it makes me sad that those two did not start in Doha a year a go.  I think they might have just altered the result.

siac

Is it just me or has this half time break been well over 15 mins.

 25 minutes thus far

Seems like we're abandoning the game from our twitter?

What's going on. Swear this has been longer than normal half time. My plan to go to bed after the game for an hour nap before work could be well and truly over now.

This match is going to be called off isn't it. God forbid we ever win a match.

Did a fight break out in the tunnel or something?

Interesting that we know but not the sky commentators

Am guessing someone said something racist?

Racial abuse from one person of Colour to Boxall. Good grief.

Wow.

Gutted to not see a NZ win, but fair play to the team for standing up for their player.

Maaaaaaatt

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 Well done All Whites - no place for racism. 

If that's what happened that's super weird given the Qatari team has Arab and African players, a European manager and a Samoan coach.

do they called him jew?

what a scandal!!!!

Might be getting that pre-work nap after all. 

Marto

If that's what happened that's super weird given the Qatari team has Arab and African players, a European manager and a Samoan coach.

 do they call him jew?

Just as well you didn't take the one train and two bus mission to the game @Marto. Would have been a hectic mission just for 45 minutes of football. 

Disappointing the officials didn't do anything to address the situation at the time on the field. Good on the boys for backing their man and standing up for their values.

boxall looks like Leandro Paredes,  how a white man can get racially abused by arabics ?   can someone explain is it a religion?  jew or a christian/cath thing?  

it is a scandal,  do it the old way,  stomp  all over him in the tunnel, if so,  kudos to BOXALL

It must have been pretty moronic whatever was said. I do remember at the time of the free kick thinking "geez Tuiloma is really ripping into the Qatar player for whatever happened here" we couldn't see what actually transpired but Tuiloma looked incensed and  out for blood, pointing his finger directly at the player, shouting having to be held back. Makes sense now we know more about the context. 

Very sad on all levels.  Sad someone would do/say something like that, sad that someone was on the receiving end of something so awful, sad the officials didn't act, sad the match is canned.  Sad Marko's first All Whites goal will be scrubbed, sad Max doesn't have a second cap...

Just, aargh :(

JAVIER16

boxall looks like Leandro Paredes,  how a white man can get racially abused by arabics ?   can someone explain is it a religion?  jew or a christian/cath thing?  

it is a scandal,  do it the old way,  stomp  all over him in the tunnel, if so,  kudos to BOXALL

I don't think the specifics really matter, but Boxall is part Samoan I think.

When they hadn't came back after 25 min half time and then cutting to some very grim faces of the officials/presenters I was very worried there had been a medical event of some kind (especially given the very hot temperatures). Glad that wasn't the case at least.

Randomly the same thing happened today between Ireland and Kuwait U21s, that game was also here in Austria.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0619/1390053-ireland-kuwait-u21-abandoned-after-racist-remark/

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

want no more snowflakes around in football,  there are too many in the crystal generation around the western civilization,  on suarez vs evra,  it is true in southamerica specially in mostly all white countries like chile argentina paraguay and uruguay and with an important presence of aborigen native people,  that N  word is even in an affectionate way and it is even said between parents and children with love , of course it is a context,  evra is not from URUGUAY NOR ARGENTINA CHILE NOR PARAGUAY,  Palito PEREIRA went further and critized evra said he is not a proud .......man as he is

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Easy Russ, no one said it's "OK" over there - racism is a big issue across the Middle East, and reactions are no less angry there than anywhere else.   

The reaction of those players show it was clearly something significant, and their action in response is justified if things unfolded the way they've explained.  I'd be interested in Cahill's take too... 

pleased I didnt get up for this.

just watched the short video of the melee on stuff, interesting they say the ref didnt hear the comment made by th Qatari player, he was certainly close enough to have heard everything, was even talking to the Qatari player involved and directing him away from Boxall straight after - I think he heard it maybe didnt understand what was said.

No place for any racial comments anywhere - I have no issue with attempting to rile the opposition with comments to a player, but race/family/sexualuty are just no go areas.

Man we haven't scored many goals in a long time, and to be leading at the half.  It takes true strength and grit to throw that away to stand up for your values and your team mates.

10/10 for the players.  Hopefully this experience helps bond them and we see a stronger All Whites team come from it.

Words fail me. I would hope if an international game gets called off, then we are given proper context - what was said. It’s fine getting all PC about this stuff but when a black player insults someone who I assumed was white, then it’s all a little bit strange 

... wait, some of you guys didn't notice Michael Boxall was Samoan!?

JAVIER16

want no more snowflakes around in football,  there are too many in the crystal generation around the western civilization,  on suarez vs evra,  it is true in southamerica specially in mostly all white countries like chile argentina paraguay and uruguay and with an important presence of aborigen native people,  that N  word is even in an affectionate way and it is even said between parents and children with love , of course it is a context,  evra is not from URUGUAY NOR ARGENTINA CHILE NOR PARAGUAY,  Palito PEREIRA went further and critized evra said he is not a proud .......man as he is

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Only snow flake here is you mate.

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Definitely was not defending the player - just adding some context to an earlier comment around why would a brown (Qatari) player racially insult another brown (NZ) player.

The misunderstanding of the above, reflects our Western cultural bias thinking that its a white/black thing, when its not that simple.

No place for it in the game and proud of the stance taken by the team in light of the inaction of the officials.

Ryan

JAVIER16

want no more snowflakes around in football,  there are too many in the crystal generation around the western civilization,  on suarez vs evra,  it is true in southamerica specially in mostly all white countries like chile argentina paraguay and uruguay and with an important presence of aborigen native people,  that N  word is even in an affectionate way and it is even said between parents and children with love , of course it is a context,  evra is not from URUGUAY NOR ARGENTINA CHILE NOR PARAGUAY,  Palito PEREIRA went further and critized evra said he is not a proud .......man as he is

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Only snow flake here is you mate.

Good contribution.

Eventually we might find out what was said, as the officials' took no action, I wonder if FIFA will get involved??
Its unfortunate that this occurred, cant see NZFA will seek another friendly with Qatar for the near future.

Rusty Dunks

Ryan

JAVIER16

want no more snowflakes around in football,  there are too many in the crystal generation around the western civilization,  on suarez vs evra,  it is true in southamerica specially in mostly all white countries like chile argentina paraguay and uruguay and with an important presence of aborigen native people,  that N  word is even in an affectionate way and it is even said between parents and children with love , of course it is a context,  evra is not from URUGUAY NOR ARGENTINA CHILE NOR PARAGUAY,  Palito PEREIRA went further and critized evra said he is not a proud .......man as he is

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Only snow flake here is you mate.

Good contribution.

Thanks, I'll frame this comment and put it up on my wall.

Real men stand up for equality. There would have been a lot of pressure on him and the team to continue and they stood up for what is right. Snowflakes get offended by people who take a stance.

theprof

pleased I didnt get up for this.

just watched the short video of the melee on stuff, interesting they say the ref didnt hear the comment made by th Qatari player, he was certainly close enough to have heard everything, was even talking to the Qatari player involved and directing him away from Boxall straight after - I think he heard it maybe didnt understand what was said.

No place for anu racial comments anywhere - I have no issue with attempting to rile the opposition with comments to a player, but race/family/sexualuty are just no go areas.

Add religion to that list too.

MetalLegNZ

Rusty Dunks

MetalLegNZ

Middle East culture don't see colour/race quite the same as Western cultures traditionally do when throwing out racist tropes.

A little like how India has caste systems.

Well, that's the defence in the Suarez/Evra case wasn't it? It doesn't really matter what someone is used to saying at home, because there's a context to be taken into account - and this context is a player took offence at a racially-based remark. The "fact" (and I don't think it is a fact, more of a prevailing opinion) that it's ok in the Middle East (or South America, in Suarez's case) doesn't diminish that someone was offended. Boxall doesn't strike me as a snowflake, so if something got under his skin then it must have been offensive. 

Definitely was not defending the player - just adding some context to an earlier comment around why would a brown (Qatari) player racially insult another brown (NZ) player.

The misunderstanding of the above, reflects our Western cultural bias thinking that its a white/black thing, when its not that simple.

No place for it in the game and proud of the stance taken by the team in light of the inaction of the officials.

 I thought it was religion at the first,  regarding as family, it is well known in the latin countries  from EUROPE and LAS AMERICAS, a  little research the old dogs of football did back in the 70 80's 90's  00' 10's  they researched the names of wives girlfriends etc, dark arts,  remember  zidane and materazzi,  "your sister is a ....."

Wooooooah!

family was very common code in the past to wind up rivals  "  while you are playing football here your  wife/ girlfriend....( and they got the woman's name)  is having  s.....with your neighbour  etc  etc  thank god new generations of footballers are away from that cheap behaviour worldwide

siac

theprof

pleased I didnt get up for this.

just watched the short video of the melee on stuff, interesting they say the ref didnt hear the comment made by th Qatari player, he was certainly close enough to have heard everything, was even talking to the Qatari player involved and directing him away from Boxall straight after - I think he heard it maybe didnt understand what was said.

No place for anu racial comments anywhere - I have no issue with attempting to rile the opposition with comments to a player, but race/family/sexualuty are just no go areas.

Add religion to that list too.