All Whites vs Norway | Wed 15th Oct | 4:00am (NZT) | Ullevaal Stadion (Oslo, Norway)
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15 Oct 04:34
Payne got it wrong for the goal though - it was a fast attack and developed so quickly that it was always going to be difficult, but there were two others who could have looked after the assister, he really needed to be much tighter to the scorer. Maybe one of the CBs needed to communicate that to him in that moment
Payne got it wrong for the goal though - it was a fast attack and developed so quickly that it was always going to be difficult, but there were two others who could have looked after the assister, he really needed to be much tighter to the scorer. Maybe one of the CBs needed to communicate that to him in that moment
In Payne's defence it was a dangerous run from Schjelderup (Benfica), some feint of movement just enough to suck in Timmy P a little, and then a top class finish from Nusa (RB Leipzig). Not everyone scores from where he did. Opened up his body really well, to bang it past Paulsen first time.
With today's match, Chris Wood has drawn level with Ivan Vicelich as the All Whites all-time leading appearance maker on 88 caps for New Zealand 👏 pic.twitter.com/sJ0siYRRYT
Hmm… Garbett seems to have been busy pressing, winning free kicks and throws and tracking back.
We’re getting Singh, Old and Stamenic on our distance shots. We want to be getting Garbett and McCowatt in shooting positions more often.
Payne and de Vries were quite threatening. Sure opposition will study up on that now.
Ben Waine had a better day at the office than Oscar Bob or Strand Larsen. Funny old game. Should have been more alive to Old’s rebound and he’d really have had a good day.
Balls on the line there. Hope the goal frame’s okay!
Payne got it wrong for the goal though - it was a fast attack and developed so quickly that it was always going to be difficult, but there were two others who could have looked after the assister, he really needed to be much tighter to the scorer. Maybe one of the CBs needed to communicate that to him in that moment
In Payne's defence it was a dangerous run from Schjelderup (Benfica), some feint of movement just enough to suck in Timmy P a little, and then a top class finish from Nusa (RB Leipzig). Not everyone scores from where he did. Opened up his body really well, to bang it past Paulsen first time.
Payne did his best there. Central runner jigs onto his left and shoots and Payne’s gone out to cover the flank we’d be dumping on him. Covers the immediate threat.
And really a super finish. Payne’s haring into block and Paulsen had stopped most.
Stand up and applaud Finn Surnam. Taking one for the team. Scores with one ball and severely bruises 2 others. I nearly fainted when he hit that post. I think every other man would have had the same reaction. OUCH. I bet that hurt.
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Watched the replay and you're right, I got this wrong. We just got caught on the counter pretty good for this one, by the time Payne is in that position he couldnt have done anything else.martinb
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Payne got it wrong for the goal though - it was a fast attack and developed so quickly that it was always going to be difficult, but there were two others who could have looked after the assister, he really needed to be much tighter to the scorer. Maybe one of the CBs needed to communicate that to him in that moment
In Payne's defence it was a dangerous run from Schjelderup (Benfica), some feint of movement just enough to suck in Timmy P a little, and then a top class finish from Nusa (RB Leipzig). Not everyone scores from where he did. Opened up his body really well, to bang it past Paulsen first time.
Payne did his best there. Central runner jigs onto his left and shoots and Payne’s gone out to cover the flank we’d be dumping on him. Covers the immediate threat.
And really a super finish. Payne’s haring into block and Paulsen had stopped most.
Hmm… Garbett seems to have been busy pressing, winning free kicks and throws and tracking back.
We’re getting Singh, Old and Stamenic on our distance shots. We want to be getting Garbett and McCowatt in shooting positions more often.
Payne and de Vries were quite threatening. Sure opposition will study up on that now.
Ben Waine had a better day at the office than Oscar Bob or Strand Larsen. Funny old game. Should have been more alive to Old’s rebound and he’d really have had a good day.
Balls on the line there. Hope the goal frame’s okay!
finn soreman, I mean surman, close to a hat trick. one ball in the net, 2 balls hit the post. Wood hit the crossbar, also looks like wood hit the post as well
Nab a set piece goal, setup very strong defensively, and have a plan for quick transistions to threaten another on the counter attack.
Wonder if long throws from Boxy will come into that? He's been very effective with those for Minny in the MLS, a number of assists/pre assists. Baze might just be keeping that up his sleeve until next year at the World Cup. It wouldn't be silly to not showcase all of the limited AW options just now. Hold something back. We will need any small edge we can harness.
Do agree with AV, that the performances are mostly getting consistently strong now. The Socceroos at Mt Smart was yes a bit disappointing. But no completely over run midfields like losing 3-0 to Mexico (Sept 2024), or 4-1 in Stockholm (June 2023). Creating far more real scoring chances than the pair of dull toothless 2-0 losses in Athens (Nov 2023) and Socceroos at Brentford (Oct 2023).
And sounds like Baze wants to try having Bell, Stamenic & Thomas all on the pitch together. Bell will be a bit gutted to have missed the Norway game, his home for a good few years now - long enough to speak reasonable Norwegian by the looks.
ANALYSIS:There will be a time at the FIFA World Cup next June in North America where the All Whites win a free kick and turn to a familiar set-piece routine.
They weren’t identical scenarios, but the general pattern of play was one seasoned All Whites viewers will have seen before and one they will undoubtedly see again.
All Whites centre back Finn Surman collides with the post after scoring against Norway.
The first time they tried it at Ulleval Stadion, Chris Wood forced a save and Marko Stamenić followed up to put the ball in the back of the net, but the goal was disallowed as he had been offside as Tim Payne’s delivery came in.
The second time they tried it, Michael Boxall sent a diving header across the face of goal. Ryan Thomas couldn’t quite get to it as the first runner, but Finn Surman did as the second, then wrapped his legs around the left goalpost as he crashed into it in painful fashion, groin first.
When the time comes at next year’s World Cup, they can only hope the same sense of desperation is on display.
The centre back’s bravery – literally putting his balls on the line – was a reflection of how committed the All Whites have become on the road to New Zealand’s first men’s World Cup appearance in 16 years.
The football move that led to that moment shows they are putting the work in to try to figure out how to score goals against strong opponents – a persistent bugbear – and it wasn’t the only positive sign of progress in this match in that regard. Having all three of Bell, Stamenić and Thomas starting in midfield should help the All Whites get more control of matches. Stamenić and Thomas were more disciplined as a new-look duo against Norway than they were against Poland, but adding Bell should free them to have an impact further forward and it is understood starting all three was the plan before Bell was ruled out.
Watched the replay and you're right, I got this wrong. We just got caught on the counter pretty good for this one, by the time Payne is in that position he couldnt have done anything else.martinb
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Payne got it wrong for the goal though - it was a fast attack and developed so quickly that it was always going to be difficult, but there were two others who could have looked after the assister, he really needed to be much tighter to the scorer. Maybe one of the CBs needed to communicate that to him in that moment
In Payne's defence it was a dangerous run from Schjelderup (Benfica), some feint of movement just enough to suck in Timmy P a little, and then a top class finish from Nusa (RB Leipzig). Not everyone scores from where he did. Opened up his body really well, to bang it past Paulsen first time.
Payne did his best there. Central runner jigs onto his left and shoots and Payne’s gone out to cover the flank we’d be dumping on him. Covers the immediate threat.
And really a super finish. Payne’s haring into block and Paulsen had stopped most.
Um geez. I don’t know what to say mate.
If the Nix have this much personal growth we’ll win the league by 10 points. It feels very unusual for me to feel that I’d called anything football related correctly as everyone here is connected to international football powerhouse cultures and I’ve most recently played for terrible Sunday social teams…and for anyone on this forum to take a position, check the evidence and then admit they were wrong, rather than just doubling down and getting stuck in…mate. 🥺 Lost for words. Also rumours of Dyche to Forest btw.
Thanks Marto, I recalled there being something about Brian Turner and 100 games and there being a problem with match data being recorded over time. This was probably around 1982 World Cup time. I note on the A International list that most of the guys post date Brian’s time too.Marto
Team manager Ståle Solbakken has delivered a public dressing down to Manchester City’s Oscar Bobb for his performance in Norway’s 1-1 draw with New Zealand.
“He was very poor in the first half. He is lacking everything,” Solbakken told reporters.
“He takes too long with the ball, positions himself strangely and doesn’t press well. He’s done that in training and been very good at it.
“But if you ask Oscar, I think he’ll say that the first half was his weakest performance for the national team. The second half was the next weakest.”
The manager’s criticism of Bobb followed footage from a Norway team training session which appeared to show his Manchester City and Norway teammate Erling Haaland calling him out for his apparent lack of effort during the session.
Bobb took his manager’s criticism on the chin, telling a media conference: “It’s a fair assessment.”
Harsh. They did the best they could against a spirited, dare I say ballsy, opponent
Not really harsh though is it? The manager holds his team to very high standards, which is probably one of the reasons he has them top of their qualifying group without a single point dropped.
Thanks Marto, I recalled there being something about Brian Turner and 100 games and there being a problem with match data being recorded over time. This was probably around 1982 World Cup time. I note on the A International list that most of the guys post date Brian’s time too.Marto
It shows how many games we played against club sides instead of full internationals until really quite recently. If more of those games were proper internationals, Chris would still be someway off the most Capped All White podium.
Note too that Boxy has displaced Smith out of the top 10/12 this window and is well on his way to being one of our best ever too.
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Still makes me sick that Hay played Pijnaker and Tuiloma over Boxall against Costa Rica... I had the biggest sinking feeling when I saw that starting lineup. Boxall easily could have made the difference on that day, the defense was so weak for that early goal.
It is so cool that Boxall is going to get the chance to star in a World Cup after all, nobody would have seen that coming, he was already 33 when we lost that playoff.
I have to admit, Baze initially felt like the most underwhelming head coach appointment to me personally. However, he made us playing the most promising style of football, and consistently, at a level that matched opponents ranked above us.
Agree on Boxall. A couple years ago I was firmly in the camp of starting Surman and Bindon together from now on, but you could argue Boxall has been the best and most consistent All White we've had over the past 12 months. A lot can happen between now and June, but I've really loved how solid Boxy and Surman look together. Bindon's time will come.
Libby and De Vries is a no contest - shouldn’t ever be a question.
For me Wood, Stamenic, Thomas and Cacace are the 3 absolute locks in the starting XI. The rest of the places are still up for grabs in the next 8 months. Surman and Boxall are probably the next closest.
How many goals have we (and Libby) scored of late against strong opposition?
Has Libby, or anyone else, produced an attacking weapon that looked as dangerous as FdV and Payne crossing against Norway?
Perhaps Singh against Australia. But that wasn’t Irankunda level.
It’s true that Libby is a much more complete player. A much more dangerous dribbler. A fitter player. A better defender.
But FdV crossing arguably took Auckland a good part of the way last season. And I’d say it is more dangerous than Libby’s crossing.
But when you’ve got Wood, Boxall, Bindon or Surman, perhaps even Tuiloma waiting, with a bunch of agile crumbers, beginning to get some understanding perhaps it is our best path to goal against top teams. And he’s got a good long throw too.
If you’re fighting a vampire, bring a garlic farmer. Get a hobbit to take a ring of power to Mordor. And maybe we need FdV’s crossing to score against high level opposition. It’s not like Libby hasn’t had plenty of game time to equally make his case.
And I’m speaking here as someone who watched a lot of Libby playing at Empoli.
How many goals have we (and Libby) scored of late against strong opposition?
Has Libby, or anyone else, produced an attacking weapon that looked as dangerous as FdV and Payne crossing against Norway?
Perhaps Singh against Australia. But that wasn’t Irankunda level.
It’s true that Libby is a much more complete player. A much more dangerous dribbler. A fitter player. A better defender.
But FdV crossing arguably took Auckland a good part of the way last season. And I’d say it is more dangerous than Libby’s crossing.
But when you’ve got Wood, Boxall, Bindon or Surman, perhaps even Tuiloma waiting, with a bunch of agile crumbers, beginning to get some understanding perhaps it is our best path to goal against top teams. And he’s got a good long throw too.
If you’re fighting a vampire, bring a garlic farmer. Get a hobbit to take a ring of power to Mordor. And maybe we need FdV’s crossing to score against high level opposition. It’s not like Libby hasn’t had plenty of game time to equally make his case.
And I’m speaking here as someone who watched a lot of Libby playing at Empoli.
If we start FdV against top teams at the world cup, sure, he might get an assist from his delivery, but he'll also get torched all game defensively. I'd still rather draw 0-0 than lose 3-1.
Also, Libby might not have FdV's crossing, but he's still got a decent cross on him and comfortably beats him in every single other facet of the game.
Libby and De Vries is a no contest - shouldn’t ever be a question.
For me Wood, Stamenic, Thomas and Cacace are the 3 absolute locks in the starting XI. The rest of the places are still up for grabs in the next 8 months. Surman and Boxall are probably the next closest.
I honestly think the only uncertainty lies with the attacking three behind Wood in the 4-2-3-1.
Paulsen is a starter and definitely seems to have taken the baton from Crocs, Payne is our only real option for RB, and Bindon is unlikely to have the minutes to dislodge what is looking to be a very solid Boxall/Surman partnership.
With Wood, Cacace, Stamenic and Thomas nailed on, it's only really the 10 and wide players up for grabs. Could be any 3 of Just, Singh, McCowatt, Old and Garbett.
To tease this out- our scoring record against good teams is poor over the last 3 years. De Vries has created one from open play and another from set piece in two or three matches in which he’s been involved. Libby has created one (a very similar set piece) and outside of Malaysia nothing from open play. It was a similar story for Empoli.
Garbett, Wood and Boxall have been key players for goal scoring , with Just, Stamenic, Bell and McCowatt not far behind. FdV is a better attacking option against good teams, if we want to try to win. Or we need to use Cacace’s skills better. But imo Libby needs to improve his shooting and final passing which have been poor for a player of his talent, and been ineffective against higher level opponents.
All White Goals against non-Oceania opponents, Post-Costa Rica 2022
Norway 1-Set piece-planned! Payne/De Vries crossing to the back post.
Poland- none
Australia 1- FdV cross in behind finds Wood
Australia- none
Ukraine- set piece planned (very similar to Norway) Libby delivers.
Ivory Coast- 1 Just finished from open play.
USA- 1 Clearance off Waine
Mexico- no goals
Tunisia- nope
Egypt- nope
Ireland- 1 Garbett with a distance strike
Greece- no
Australia-no
D.R. Congo -1 Wood penalty
Sweden- 1 goal McCowatt fed by Garbett
China -2 oggie with Rojas delivery and Garbett scores from a Bell pass
China-nothing
Australia- nothing
Australia- not a farthing
Malaysia- 4 goals against a poor defense. Garbett, Just, Wood, Rogerson
Two laid on by an unchallenged Cacace and two by Barbarouses. Not a blueprint for the WC as the left side was vacated by defenders.
FDV coming on for 15-20 mins as an advanced winger, as happened against Ukraine deserves another go.
Unfortunately Libby being injured the last 2 windows there hasn’t been a chance to trial that again. Also need Wood on the park to make doing that worthwhile
FDV coming on for 15-20 mins as an advanced winger, as happened against Ukraine deserves another go.
Unfortunately Libby being injured the last 2 windows there hasn’t been a chance to trial that again. Also need Wood on the park to make doing that worthwhile
That was Bazeley’s idea.
I don’t think FdV, covered by Stamenic and Thomas, Boxall and Surman has been a poor option at LB though in the games he’s been in. He’s clearly not a 90 minutes guy though. And FdV delivery deserves to be up there with Moreno and May as one of the threats the powered AFC to the A League Premiership.
Libby has been a good player in a relegation scrapping team for a while. Hopefully Wrexham are going to get him going on the front foot and hitting crosses for Moore and Hardie in a more dominant side.
All I’m saying, if we want to win, we have to score, even at the risk of conceding. This has to be thought about. These crosses are a weapon against the better opponents the way other strengths aren’t.
