China/Japan Squad Discussion

I'd be very interested to see some of these players play - I hope they get selected.

Jake Gleeson is quality by the way. I love Phil Stingray as much as any man, but Gleeson is a proper Kiwi and should be in the squad.

I think this is a perfect opportunity for Dan Keat to get a run in central midfield

Gleeson has the trial at Everton I believe. Then again Lochy got a trial at Boro

Thanks, Dan - keep training and wait for the phone call. But don't hold your breath - the ginga quotient in the AW midfield has been filled by McGlinchey and Clapham.

We need to treat the next four years around 2 events

1:the olympics
2:the world cup

the first event will directly help the second. Therefore each squad henceforth should contain as many under 23 eligible players(I.e: this German goalkeeper, this Birmingham fullback).

Putting in place a strategy which will optimize our chances at the olympics will optimize our chances at the next world cup. It's a no brainer.AucklandPhoenix2010-12-30 14:03:25

But the argument with the Germany 'keeper is, is he better than other players his age? The likes of Jacob Spoonley, Jake Gleeson, Coey Turipa?
Who is the current starting 'keeper for the under-20 side? It's Turipa right?

Under 20 world cup in colombia is huge!

under 20 world cup in colombia is huge! then we can talk olympics!

very good point and again one will lead to the other - under 20, olympics and then world cup

even more reason to stack this next squad with young players like the german goalkeeper and birmingham full back who are still eligible for under 20's

May as well just send our whole U20s team then.

er no thats silly. it will be much the same team plus barbarouses. i hardly think the 'german goalkeeper' or rowe warrant selection. see what happens with these guys (whether they are picked) at the under 20 world cup. i think youd want to see guys trying to crack the phoenix side, or an a league side, or a credible professional team before being considered.

lets see if a. boxall and keat get drafted and see where they are at during the mls season

b. not rush rojas

c. get clapham playing in the a league

d. see if henderson recovers from this leg injury and do well in sweden

these are 5 key players for the future

TripVincent speaks sense.

An honest Kiwi playing coalface football!

No point talking Gleeson yet. See if the guy gets an MLS contract with Portland first.

Why is there no point? Contract or not he is capable.

I don't get this 'not rush Rojas' rubbish.  Rush doesn't really mean anything, he'll have a few light training sessions before the game and maybe get 25 minutes on as a substitute.  It could be too much for him, if that's what 'rush' means in this instance, but that doesn't matter.  These games are friendlies, a purpose of friendlies is to bring in new players with less pressure.  If he's poor then maybe don't play him in the next game but we know he has more skill than many in the squad so to leave him out is just stupid.  And he'll learn from being around Smeltz, Nelsen, and the rest of the squad. loyalgunner2011-01-02 17:03:46

rojas looks the goods going forward.... just need a solid defence as normal

I think one should not assume that a player is a Nelson or Elliot just because they are drafted by a mls side. Boyens, smith, knowles are cases in point and need I mention the name lochead! If a player like Rowe has a pro contract with a premiership club then I would pick him over boxall any day. Just because he is 18 and rojas and the German goal keeper being 19 is no excuse not to pick them. AucklandPhoenix2011-01-02 19:20:58

An excuse to not pick the german guy is that he is third choice GK in the third tier of german football.

I'd rather have 2ndBest than this mythical german goalie

What about Granville

Exactly. Also, I remember talking to one of the 'keepers in the Under-20 squad who said there was a German one likely to be part of that squad.

how do you know the german goal keeper is any good? we're talking china and japan friendlies here. moss will be in goal, spoonley will be his back-up. if marinovic is any good he will make the under 20 side first. same can be said for rowe.

i never suggested herbert pick boxall. i said we should see if he gets drafted by the MLS and then see how he goes.

side should be much the same including barbarouses. no need to rush guys like rojas, german goalie, boxall or rowe. lets see where they are later on

Hey guys before you get into the good and great because a player gets to kick a ball in UK/Europe at a top or low level club it comes back to how good is the players performance day in day out and his potential.

Just to prove a point about trials etc, I had a run with Perennial strugglers Liverpool way back in the golden era, I was invited by and the trainings taken by Boot Room staffer Tom Saunders one of the LFC youth coaches.
The closest I ever got to being a footballer was being at Melwood watching the first and reserve team trainings.
I had mates way better players than me and they never got anything.

Trials mean nothing on there own as a guide.

At least with players in the A-League, ASB & EPL we get to see them every week.

Musa

He's not on trial he has a contract

He plays in the Bundesliga 3rd tier, which cant be all that good. It wouldnt be as strong as League 1, probably more like League 2/3.

And as far as Im aware hes not even the first choice keeper. Correct me if im wrong of course.
AJ132011-01-06 07:40:15

With a bit of luck they might be Bundesliga 2 next season. Fourth atm after dropping a few seasons ago.

I've obviously never seen him play though, and again he is 3rd choice and I'm going to try not to sound like a euro wank (hard  I know), but he is playing in an established footballing system that I personally think has better player development than England, who's national team suffers alot from the current set up which is more about throwing money at the best in the world.

Look what Reid and Smeltz done after they got some national team exposure. Moss was picked from Romania where he played 1 game I think?

I remember a quote from Wynton saying they had 3x the budget of the phoenix or something? Can't find it now though :(

I'd be happy to see him progress from the age grades first though I guess. Have to be pretty unlucky to see 2 keepers go down though, just maybe intro him to the senior environment eventually.


raynes2011-01-06 21:14:19

Future team for 2014:
             Moss
      Reid-Nelsen-Smith
Brockie-Brown-Wee Mac-Rojas
      Kosta-Smeltz-Wood

Bench:Spoonley-Siggy-Daniel?-Boyens-Rowe-Lochy-Clapham

This is assuming Nelsen is still around, if not the Siggy slots in at the back. Thoughts?

Has Stephen Old improved much surely he has with the coaching he is getting in Scotland?

This is from a German website, Make of it what you like or follow the other NZ players ratings.
Wiesbaden ii are a reserve team that play in a regional league.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/sv-wehen-wiesbaden-ii/startseite/verein_1324.html

Also New Zealand based players such as.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tom-batty/erfolge/spieler_141498.html

Pretty good to me. Only that I cannot see Nelsen being around then.Brown perhaps. He will only be 34 then and at the moment we don't have anyonr else that can do his job. Anything can happen in the next 3 years.

Well if you at look who turned up before last year's WC, Fallon, McGlinchey, Reid...basically out of no where. You never know who might want to change allegiances IF we qualify. ha

We all knew they were around though, as they had been discussed for the previous two years.  I'm not sure there are any(many) more out there.

I didn't realise they had been discussed [maybe Fallon] two years prior. I though Reid was contacted by Andrew Gourdie [?] after qualification and McGlinchey a bit before?

I know there's a difference between discussion and signing up, I just hadn't heard of them myself or read about them anywhere.

I could be well wrong but that's how I thought it went.

Killen?

They were known.  The decision wasn't made until qualification but they were known to people here.

There was a campaign to get McGlinchey to declare before his 21st birthday, before the new rules came in that never came off.

What about Kris Bright playing in England is he in the running?

Known enough to make the 'Kiwis overseas' section? Fair enough though, I don't imagine they were widely known [nz public] but I guess there will be a bigger spotlight on who is eligible to play for us, in regards to who is playing well at a decent level. As opposed to two years prior to South African anyway. abris has it sorted.

Oh yeah forgot him. How old will he be?