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Clapham

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
When you say you watched Clapham play what games did you watch?
How many times this season have you seen Mulligan play?

If Ricki was starting with a player he didn't rate good enough for a local club team then why not give AC [playing same club level] more than a few minutes.
It's time we got away from the Wolves way of playing, lump it forward to Derek Duggan!!
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Because Australians who played in similar positions were better! For some strange reason these Australians aren't picked for the NZ team, so Mulligan is next cab off the rank. Pretty simple really.
 
Horses for courses really. If McGlinchy had bombed then Clapham would have been on much earlier. Mulligan was playing a different role - one which I don't believe Clapham would have relished.
 
As for people saying Clapham would be getting frustrated - he has no right! He's only there because Riki took a punt on him. Some like to think Riki is holding him back, when actually he pretty much plucked him from obscurity...
Reading132011-03-26 22:20:54
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Reading13 wrote:
Because Australians who played in similar positions were better! For some strange reason these Australians aren't picked for the NZ team, so Mulligan is next cab off the rank. Pretty simple really.
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Horses for courses really. If McGlinchy had bombed then Clapham would have been on much earlier. Mulligan was playing a different role - one which I don't believe Clapham would have relished.

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As for people saying Clapham�would be�getting frustrated - he has no right! He's only there because Riki took a punt on him. Some like to think Riki is holding him back, when actually he pretty much plucked him from obscurity...


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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What have aussies got to do with the price of fish, this has nothing to do with an aussie.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

because its a simple answer to th simple question as to why Mulligan never played for the Nix, but plays for the All Whites

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So playing for a Melbourne based team in a state league is now not rated? Then why pick players playing in any overseas lower grade league eg 3rd Div in Japan.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
William wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:
William wrote:
Seriously the guy only gets 5 minutes? He must be so frustrated.


I don't know what you expect. He would be the worst player in the squad who plays at the lowest level in the squad. Three minutes at the end is all I expected. And I doubt he's frustrated. He plays ASB Premiership and he's playing against China!

I just think it is a waste of time. Personally, I would not have picked him for the All Whites at all yet but if you are going to pick you should give him a fair go. He didn't even get on for the Phoenix, did he?


No because if he did it would have made him eligible for Canterbury for the next 28 days. He was only there to provide cover in case of injury.
ineligible [if I'm not helping, I'm not happy].
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
poolmister wrote:
So playing for a Melbourne based team in a state league is now not rated? Then why pick players playing in any overseas lower grade league eg 3rd Div in Japan.


Michael Fitzgerald is on loan to that 3rd division club. But Ricki had never seen him play. He's seen Clapham play.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
William wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:
William wrote:
Seriously the guy only gets 5 minutes? He must be so frustrated.


I don't know what you expect. He would be the worst player in the squad who plays at the lowest level in the squad. Three minutes at the end is all I expected. And I doubt he's frustrated. He plays ASB Premiership and he's playing against China!

I just think it is a waste of time. Personally, I would not have picked him for the All Whites at all yet but if you are going to pick you should give him a fair go. He didn't even get on for the Phoenix, did he?


No because if he did it would have made him eligible for Canterbury for the next 28 days. He was only there to provide cover in case of injury.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Seemed to be much more comfortable moving the ball quickly on the deck in behind the strikers than out on the right crossing for the AWs v Waitak. TBF though Brockie's delivery was rubbish as well until after he scored.

Haven't seem him play for Cantabs, everyone was raving about him- what was the excitement about? can't tell much from this thread...


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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
why is this in the phoenix section?
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it isn't, you missed the word "moved" in the thread title.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
didnt miss it
 
and the mods obviously agree with me
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How so?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the dude can't seem to catch a break. Hope something comes up for him
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/5938765/Why-isn-t-Clapham-good-enough-for-the-Phoenix

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This is getting close to Billy Harris levels of stoppid.
The perplexing thing is that he's good enough to be an All White, and represented New Zealand on the big stage at last year's World Cup in South Africa, but he's not good enough for the A-League?

Let's not kid ourselves, the A-League is nowhere near international standard and the national team would waltz past this Phoenix team. The only non-All White at the Phoenix who would go close to the All Whites starting XI is Andrew Durante. So why cannot Clapham get a run in Wellington? 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
This is getting close to Billy Harris levels of stoppid.
The perplexing thing is that he's good enough to be an All White, and represented New Zealand on the big stage at last year's World Cup in South Africa, but he's not good enough for the A-League?

Let's not kid ourselves, the A-League is nowhere near international standard and the national team would waltz past this Phoenix team. The only non-All White at the Phoenix who would go close to the All Whites starting XI is Andrew Durante. So why cannot Clapham get a run in Wellington? 



yeah its totally idiotic - what is "international level" anyway? OFC matches between the Cook Islands and Samoa are clearly the same level as Holland v Spain in the WC final Mr Woodcock

and as for the claim that the only non-all white who could get close to the all whites is durante... wtf?

the level of football punditry in New Zealand media makes me want to cry sometimes. For the record, I like Clapham as a player but I'd rather have Sanchez and Ward in the Nix, and if there's any kiwi players who might feel aggrieved about not getting contracts with the Nix I'd say it would be Chettleburgh and Musa, just because they're young and have the chance to develop if exposed to more professional coaching

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd take Manny in the AWs

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think Canterbury would be very happy if we took him on an injury replacement contract anyway.  If he got on the field, he would have to sit out 30 days before he could play for them again.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think Canterbury would be very happy if we took him on an injury replacement contract anyway.  If he got on the field, he would have to sit out 30 days before he could play for them again.
But I think Aaron Clapham would be happy!
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cutting out the obvious crap in this article (honestly where do they find these peopole) there is one good paragraph
 
"Even if it was proven that he was not up to it, what would the Phoenix have lost in the process? "
 
We've got 15 players FFS!
Give him crack for the rest of the season.
He's surely a lower risk than the likes of Kwasnik, Ahmad Elrich, Diego etc...
 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Except that it ignores completely that the Phoenix know him, Ricki knows him, that he was involved last year. 
 
Perhaps it's better for him to be playing every week in the ASB Premiership than not playing at all for the Phoenix and then spending 30 dys waiting before he can go back to the ASB Premiership.  It also ignores the fact that despite the injuries we're still in pretty good nick for midfielders.
 
Hoever.  I'd swap him for Nick Ward.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
clapham >> nick ward? really???

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
By all accounts, young Chettleburgh is a bit poisonous and was the reason he was dropped from the U20s.
 
Clapham plays centrally for Canterbury but out wide for the All Whites. We are not short on central players and Clapham vs Bertos? Hmmm well Clapham hasn't upsurped Bertos in the All Whites with the same coach... As HN said, he is a known quantity to the club and coaches and we are not short on midfielders.
Jeff Vader2011-11-10 13:07:22

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought he got dropped because he was a short ball-playing midfielder and there was no room for him in the hoof and hope tactical approach we were employing. Or was that just PR spin?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i think fred makes some good points and a lot of the criticism here is directed at clapham not being good enough for the starting 11.  this isn't the point, the starting 11 is not the issue; the issue is the squad.

clapham has been used by herbert at right back, center midfield and right midfield.  he is also presently being deployed at right back for canterbury.  so you would think that he would be a more than useful squad member for the phoenix in terms of covering these positions.

my personal opinion is that he doesn't have the physicality that herbert desires from his a-league midfielders.  witness the broad shoulders of alex smith - a converted forward. 

and therefore, if herbert is not interested in signing clapham to play in his preferred position, what is the use in signing him at all?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...but if he's not good enough for the starting XI then surely he's better off playing week in and week out in the ASB Premiership than training with the Phoenix.  WOuldn't he just becoome another Mulligan?
 
If we're going to do that then surely we find a 17-20yo who will offer a future option than have Clapham at 25 (soon) making up the numbers?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cameron lindsay's already there for that and is not being called upon.

in terms of what's best for clapham, you may be right in terms of it being better to be playing regularly than rotting on the bench like mulligan. 

however some would argue that being a pro footballer wouldn't be too shabby a thing either...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
being a pro footballer and sitting on the bench or not being picked in the 15 would be worse than playing in the ASB premiership surely. theprof2011-11-10 14:15:48

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
for the price of a pair of boots (not G Little ones) we might as well get him in if he is keen. It's his choice if you wants to give pro footy a shot or muck around in the ASB.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
raises a good point; is there a chance that he has been given the option and turned it down?  i wonder if fred checked with him before running his article?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
for the price of a pair of boots (not G Little ones) we might as well get him in if he is keen. It's his choice if you wants to give pro footy a shot or muck around in the ASB.
 
If the Phoenix want him...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Would take Clapham at a Squeeze. I feel for the poor fella thoug, he's really Up the Junction!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
must say over 60 comments about this article.  people passionate about the ging!
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