Effecting Change at NZF

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about 6 years ago

Wow these are some big statements, but maybe we look at some facts:

1. Des and Greenie inherited a team that Ernie was unable to squeeze any blood out of. No players came in during this time and he also had to contend with All Whites games and the subsequent loss of those players while the league continued. Des also gave the likes of Sarpreet their A-League debuts.

If I remember rightly the points that they gained during that time would have had them in a playoff spot.

For whatever reason Morrison decided not to go with Des and instead go for a supposed name with great experience in Dario. I think we were all scratching our heads when he was announced and we all know how that ended up.

2. throughout the 20s and 23’s Des did not have at his disposal a consistent playing group, but what did stay consistent was the playing style and philosophy and the results and ongoing success. 49 players used and some people talk that he had the West’s boys so it made it easy. Only Eli, Callum and Nando played any real part and they were only involved in the Games in Poland. They were unavailable for all other games. There has been no consistency of player availability throughout the u19Quals/u20 WC, Pacific Games, Aussie internationals or u23 Quals so nothing was ever consistent hence 49 players. The fact that they continued to play the same way but with different personal and not resort to giving up possession, defending deep and kicking it long (traditional view of NZ teams) was testament to his tactical ability, player development and man management.

The Pacific Games showed how good a coach he is, winning a competition in the Islands against full national sides (a couple of teams the All Whites had struggled to beat 2 years earlier in the Nations Cup) with no preparation and a team with an average age of U20 (with only 2 players from the WC who were both reserves). If I remember rightly there were 10 debutants (out of a squad of 19. All other teams had 23) who in the past had been overlooked at both U17 and U20 levels. He was forced to select players who weren’t even starting for their Northern League teams. So that totally debunks you saying he had the most talented players at his disposal.

3. the one thing I do agree 100% with you on is he will go on to bigger and better things 


Very good response. In fact I have heard  only 2 players featured in every one of Des's campaigns, Cameron Brown and Dane Schnell. I still think he worked miracles given what he was given in terms of time and talent. I will always follow his career with interest and have said on these forums it is a great loss to the wider NZ football community. Where someone leaves something in better shape than he found it, that is always progress, and the mostly universal praise in social media tells us all how we enjoyed it!

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Ol
about 6 years ago

Yeah but Danny Hay won the National League and, uh, the NZ secondary schools competition.

Valley FC til I die?

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almost 6 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Yeah but Danny Hay won the National League and, uh, the NZ secondary schools competition.

Funny how those players (Hay/Fallon etc) were critical of the NZF & football in general in New Zealand so NZF co-opt them into the bureaucratic fold. Classic corporate move to silence dissent.

Mr Positive

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almost 6 years ago · edited almost 6 years ago · History

Come March 2022, and Intercontinental Playoffs NZF will be hoping for victory and an AWs appearance in Qatar, or worse case another TV rights bonanza aka Mexico. 

I imagine there is a limited number of opponents that would net a similar large TV deal. USA/Mexico from CONCACAF, Argentina/Colombia (presuming Brazil would never be in that 5th CONMEBOL spot) and likes of Japan, South Korea & Saudi from AFC.

Anyone know when FIFA plan to do the Intercontinental Playoff draw?

It's still a pretty healthy balance sheet for the moment, but I imagine finances in following 4 cycle to USA 2026, would get tight for all the national teams (and NZ Football as a whole) without some sort of large finance win in 2022. I guess this is why NZF will be very happy for OFC to get a guaranteed spot at a bloated 48 team WC in 2026.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/121610112/nz-football-announces-significant-financial-loss-but-reaches-board-diversity-target

"The $764,000 loss for 2019 was announced on Thursday following the game's annual congress, held online due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

It was a $178,000 improvement on the budgeted loss of $942,000, which meant NZ Football did not make a planned $400,000 transfer from its international teams reserve fund."

"NZ Football has made a habit over the past decade of using transfers from the international teams fund to announce surpluses in years where its overall financial position worsened.

If you look at annual results before transfers, the $764,000 loss in 2019 was $1000 less than 2018’s $765,000 loss, as well as being smaller than those recorded in 2012 ($964,000) and 2016 ($1.7m), which still makes it the fourth-largest this century.

NZ Football’s reserves reached a high mark of $8.7m in 2013, after the organisation received a sizeable windfall from selling the TV rights to the All Whites’ World Cup qualifying playoff against Mexico that year."


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almost 6 years ago

coochiee wrote:

Come March 2022, and Intercontinental Playoffs NZF will be hoping for victory and an AWs appearance in Qatar, or worse case another TV rights bonanza aka Mexico. 

I imagine there is a limited number of opponents that would net a similar large TV deal. USA/Mexico from CONCACAF, Argentina/Colombia (presuming Brazil would never be in that 5th CONMEBOL spot) and likes of Japan, South Korea & Saudi from AFC.

Anyone know when FIFA plan to do the Intercontinental Playoff draw?

It's still a pretty healthy balance sheet for the moment, but I imagine finances in following 4 cycle to USA 2026, would get tight for all the national teams (and NZ Football as a whole) without some sort of large finance win in 2022. I guess this is why NZF will be very happy for OFC to get a guaranteed spot at a bloated 48 team WC in 2026.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/121610112/nz-football-announces-significant-financial-loss-but-reaches-board-diversity-target

"The $764,000 loss for 2019 was announced on Thursday following the game's annual congress, held online due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

It was a $178,000 improvement on the budgeted loss of $942,000, which meant NZ Football did not make a planned $400,000 transfer from its international teams reserve fund."

"NZ Football has made a habit over the past decade of using transfers from the international teams fund to announce surpluses in years where its overall financial position worsened.

If you look at annual results before transfers, the $764,000 loss in 2019 was $1000 less than 2018’s $765,000 loss, as well as being smaller than those recorded in 2012 ($964,000) and 2016 ($1.7m), which still makes it the fourth-largest this century.

NZ Football’s reserves reached a high mark of $8.7m in 2013, after the organisation received a sizeable windfall from selling the TV rights to the All Whites’ World Cup qualifying playoff against Mexico that year."

The intercontinental playoff draw has been an enigma this cycle. At this stage, I'd guess either A, when Fifa is in a position to release a post-Covid update to the international calendar (which could also include it being pushed beyond March 2022) or B, a year from now at Fifa's next in-person annual congress.

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coochiee
almost 6 years ago · edited almost 6 years ago · History

The sooner the better for NZF surely, re trying to plan friendlies against possible 'similar opposition'.

And yes of course AWs need to qualify out of OFC first.

But given most if not all of 2021's FIFA windows will be taken up now with OFC qualifiers, March 2022 will roll round very quickly, so whatever quality friendlies NZF can lock in pre then will be very important.

Though wouldn't be surprised if FIFA pushed back the intercontinental playoffs, until say June of 2022 - given Qatar WC is not until Nov/Dec 2022.

Playoffs in June would greatly held AWs prep time (could go into a proper 2 week camp together), not being sandwiched into European/A League/MLS club seasons like March playoffs would be. And no opposition side will like coming to Auckland or Wellington in June!

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20 days ago · edited 20 days ago · History
A Cantab.

https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2026/04/24/enormous-potential-how-nz-footballs-new-president-sees-our-sports-future/

‘Enormous potential’ — how NZ Football’s new president sees our sport’s future
 posted in: 

The new president of football’s national body is Julian Bowden, a former age-group international from Canterbury, whose career in sport includes roles as a chief executive and as a board member.

Executive committee

The new executive committee comprises:

  • Julian Bowden (president)
  • Rajesh Singh (vice president)
  • Cheri-Lee Atkinson
  • Jackie Barron
  • Dana Hussey
  • Richard Kerr-Bell
  • Helen Mallon
  • Cam Mitchell
  • Scott Moran
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2 days ago · edited 2 days ago · History
I'll put this here.
Crime really that Ricki never signed Clapham for the Nix.

His new role might help score him a trip to a 2nd WC looking on.

https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2026/05/12/national-body-appoints-former-all-white-aaron-clapham-as-technical-director/

National body appoints former All White Aaron Clapham as technical director

Former All Whites midfielder Aaron Clapham has replaced former teammate Andy Boyens as New Zealand Football’s technical director.

Christchurch-born Clapham (39) most recently worked at Mainland Football where he was the federation’s technical director. He has already been involved with the national body through his work as the current national U-17 men’s assistant coach and his work within the Whole of Football plan.

The technical director is responsible for the national technical direction for how the game is played, coached, and officiated, and ensures strong alignment from participation through to talent development pathways.

Boyens (42), who played 19 times for the All Whites, left the NZ Football role to relocate to Australia late last year.

Acknowledging Boyen’s contribution in the role since 2018, NZ Football chief executive Andrew Pragnell said: “His influence has undoubtedly helped shape the pathways that’s allowed many Kiwi coaches and players to forge careers from a community level to the international stage in the last decade.”

Pragnell said Clapham’s experience in the game, from grassroots through to high performance, would allow a continuation of that foundational work from Boyens.

“It is pleasing to appoint someone who has come from both ends of the New Zealand Football system as a player and coach.

“His understanding and relationships across federations and clubs will help NZF in achieving its strategic goals and continue growing football across the country.”

Clapham’s work in Canterbury began in 2010 when he took on the role of Mainland Federation talent centre coach. Since then, roles have included head coach at Canterbury United Academy, director of football at Cashmere Technical and player development manager at Mainland Football.

The 13-cap All White’s qualifications include an OFC advanced-level 2 coach educator and an OFC A licence. He’s delivered more than 50 national coach education courses and holds NZF youth and junior level 3 licences.

Clapham said he was proud to be responsible for the pathways for players, coaches and match officials, ater coming through the national system as a player and representing New Zealand at the highest level.

“It is an exciting time to be involved in football as international and professional opportunities increase for our teams, showing the importance of having a well-structured pathways system that sets players and coaches up for success and allows them to compete at the highest level.

“I’m looking forward to building on the foundations laid by the Whole of Football 2.0, working with our federations, clubs and other stakeholders to continue the growth of football in New Zealand.”

As a player, Clapham made 138 appearances for Canterbury United. He represented New Zealand at U-20 and senior level and was part of the All Whites’ 2010 FIFA World Cup squad which went undefeated in South Africa.

He also participated at the 2018 FIFA Club World Cup for Team Wellington after the side had been crowned OFC Champions League winners. He was also included in the NZ National League Team of the Decade & All-Time Team.
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about 9 hours ago · edited about 9 hours ago · History
Didn't know where else to put it, as I only just stumbled across it, but it seems like NZF (as well as all other 47 nations/associations qualified to the world cup) will be receiving an extra $2 million (USD) just for turning up in North America.

https://inside.fifa.com/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/council-increases-record-financial-distribution-member-associations-world-cup-2026

$12.5 million all up for qualifying and preparation for the tournament - or in other words, a cool $21 million NZD!
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about 3 hours ago
3rd time NZF have received this kind of massive influx of cash, also set to receive a good chunk next year for the Womens WC. Hopefully they'll put it to good use. Been squandered twice and spent reasonably well the last time.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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