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100% agree. 
In saying that though, I'm pretty sure the ship has well and truly sailed on that front. 

Erceg would not solve all the problems with the squad, but it would be a step in the right direction to shore up a few things. 

Pretty confident Jitka is not the begging and grovelling type though.
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Interesting. From some Katie Bowen comments recently (an ex USWSL team mate of Erceg), seemed some of the Ferns were moving on from Abby - and her returning at the 11th hour may not be welcomed by all.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/04/football-sos-call-needed-to-retired-football-ferns-legend-abby-erceg-for-world-cup-in-nz.html


"I feel that's something the players need to bring themselves and need to hold themselves accountable," said former Football Ferns midfielder Kirsty Yallop. 

The international centurion believes the current side needs experience and NZ Football should make an SOS call to veteran defender Abby Erceg to end her international retirement.

The 146-game Football Fern has played at four previous World Cups and four Olympics, captaining New Zealand at the 2016 Rio Olympics, but retired from the national side for a third time in January, choosing to focus on her US professional career. 

"She could be the difference in making it out of the group stages," Yallop told Newshub. "I can understand maybe she feels the group isn't up to it and we can see that with the results, and it's not maybe an environment she wants to be part of." 

Yallop questions why Erceg, 33, walked way from the environment so close to a major home tournament. 

"I definitely think it is a concern," she said. "You have to be wondering why your best player - or one of your best players - doesn't want to be part of that environment and what are those reasons." 

Former Fern Maia Jackman agrees the call should be made, but admits it's a long shot.

"She's a different class, when it comes to being under pressure," she told Newshub. "I think it's going to be a tough ask to get her back and there's a little bit of water under the bridge.

"She's a woman with integrity."

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Erceg is not the answer! No one player is going to solve whatever the issue is. She left this very squad for whatever her reason was nothing has changed so I can't see her coming back.
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I think the attitude is a loss against Norway, A win against the Philippines, then anything can happen against Swiss.
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I think some of the ferns mistakenly think a single win historic against the Philippines equals a good world cup 
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I think some of the ferns mistakenly think a single win historic against the Philippines equals a good world cup 

well technically a win in a World cup is a better showing than any senior NZ Womens' or Mens' team has achieved ever before, so it should definate;ly be celebrated and treated as a positive. Hoping we will perform above and beyond and get out of the group is to be expected but fans need to be a little realistic and look at the history of the event. Achieving a win and not prgoressing is still good. Losing all games would be bad. Winning a game and drawing another and getting out of the group stages would be an amazing achievement!
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morgenstern12
I think some of the ferns mistakenly think a single win historic against the Philippines equals a good world cup 

well technically a win in a World cup is a better showing than any senior NZ Womens' or Mens' team has achieved ever before, so it should definate;ly be celebrated and treated as a positive. Hoping we will perform above and beyond and get out of the group is to be expected but fans need to be a little realistic and look at the history of the event. Achieving a win and not prgoressing is still good. Losing all games would be bad. Winning a game and drawing another and getting out of the group stages would be an amazing achievement!
The Philippines will be, on paper, compared to us, the weakest opponent we have ever faced at Women's World Cup level. Remember that in 2011, 2015, the tournament only had 16 teams. Very different to now. 2019 we should have got through but botched it against Cameroon, that tournament had 24 teams. 

Also we are literally the host country - surely there's got to be a bit more ambition than to merely beat the worst team in the group! Considering in future tournaments we will be in Pot 3, and have bugger all chance of getting through against strong Pot 1 and 2 teams, this is a great chance to do so but it looks like they are utterly blowing it. 
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I'm sure the ambition is to get out of the group, but that will require beating the Phillipines and drawing against one of the other teams. It might be possible, but is it likely that we'll get more than the win?
Norway will beat us.
Phillipines - we should come way with the win
Switzerland - a big if, given current form we are likely to lose or draw 0-0.
A win and a draw would see us move into the knockout phase which is massive. Expecting this, and saying if we dont achieve it then we've failed I think is just setting yourself up for dissappointment - given, it's never een done before.
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Interestingly Swiss lost to Iceland yesterday 2-1. So that's a ray of hope.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/11/world/friendly-women/switzerland/iceland/4033745/

Looking at Switzerland's recent form it's pretty patchy. Draws, narrow losses. Like us they don't score much. Unlike us they don't lose many games by 3-5 goal margins.

Ferns at full strength, with some doses of luck and the boozed Otago scarfies cheering them on may fluke a win. Biggest football occasion in Dunners for many a year. Surprised NZF haven't taken a Ferns friendly to Forsyth Barr this year. Unique environment there under the roof, and bit strange first time any of the Ferns will have played there. If anything the Swiss could have a little advantage there, as they play their first pool game against the Philippines in Dunedin.


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Phillipines will be no easy push over. They have a good coach in Allan Stajec.
We were a tad lucky to beat them last time after they scored first. And Stajec will wiser on tactics this time round.

Edit. If we lose all 3 games that will be a disaster for the women's game here. So lots of pressure on us. Probably zero expectation on the Phillipines.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/131744210/football-ferns-results-under-jitka-klimkov-make-it-hard-to-have-faith-ahead-of-world-cup

The pressure is on Klimková to deliver a transformational training camp in Auckland in May and June, because the Ferns need to come out of it looking like a different team if they’re going to play their part in making the World Cup a memorable occasion.

Their failings in recent times are on the players as much as the staff – as evidenced by the fact that their results have been of concern since well before Klimková took charge of the Ferns for the first time in October 2021.

She succeeded Tom Sermanni after a three-year, 23-match run, where the team had three wins, a draw and 14 losses outside Oceania, as well as five easy wins over their Pacific rivals at the 2018 Nations Cup.

Since then, they have played 23 matches, all of them outside Oceania, and had three wins, four draws and 16 losses – a run of fixtures that can be broken down into three groups.

The first group is the write-offs – matches the Ferns were highly unlikely to get results from, even in the most fortuitous of circumstances.

Three losses to the reigning world champion Americans – 5-0 away last February and 4-0 and 5-0 at home in January – two losses away to reigning Olympic champions Canada in October 2021 – 5-1 and 1-0 – two away to Australia last April – 2-1 and 3-1 – and the 2-0 loss away to Japan last October.

Played eight, lost eight; three goals for, 27 against.

Only in the first match against the Matildas across the Tasman did the Ferns ever look like getting anything from any of these, and even then, they were holding out under the pump for the best part of 90 minutes, before conceding twice in stoppage time.

The second group are the matches they were capable of getting something from – and on a few occasions, did.

The 2-0 loss away to Norway last June, the 1-0 loss to Iceland last February and the 1-1 draw with them this month and four matches against South Korea – a 2-1 loss and 2-0 win away in November 2021 and a 1-0 loss and 1-1 draw at home a year later.

Played seven, won two, drawn one, lost four; five goals for, eight against.

Finally, there’s the third group – eight matches that were always winnable, but only produced two wins in reality.

Those were the 1-0 win over Mexico and 2-1 win over the Philippines in Los Angeles last September. The others were 0-0 draws with Czechia, last February, and in Wales, last June, and four disappointing defeats – the 5-0 loss to Portugal and 2-0 and 1-0 losses to Argentina at home in February and the most recent defeat against Nigeria.

Played eight, won two, drawn two, lost four; three goals for, 12 against.





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I think expectations have to be higher for the team with us co-hosting the tournament, frankly anything less than making it out of the group stage is a failure to me. Why shouldn't we expect more when we have all the advantage? Are we simply content with the ferns getting worse? If we don't expect more we'll keep getting served up the same tripe we're getting every international window.

If we go into this tournament how we're currently looking we'll probably lose all three games and the team will be a laughing stock for kiwis, we can't afford that. We need this tournament to be something positive for women's football and football as a whole in the country. This should be a celebration but we're all covering our eyes hoping it's not too embarrassing.



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I think expectations have to be higher for the team with us co-hosting the tournament, frankly anything less than making it out of the group stage is a failure to me. Why shouldn't we expect more when we have all the advantage? Are we simply content with the ferns getting worse? If we don't expect more we'll keep getting served up the same tripe we're getting every international window.

If we go into this tournament how we're currently looking we'll probably lose all three games and the team will be a laughing stock for kiwis, we can't afford that. We need this tournament to be something positive for women's football and football as a whole in the country. This should be a celebration but we're all covering our eyes hoping it's not too embarrassing.




Whilst hosting games is an advantage as far as support is concerned I dont see it winning games, or scoring goals. I think what hosting does is create a bizz and in some spaces in heightens hope and expectations. I'm trying to temper my expectiations and hope. Clearly we are expected to beat Phillipines, but given current form and coaching, expecting more than that seems pointless.
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I think expectations have to be higher for the team with us co-hosting the tournament, frankly anything less than making it out of the group stage is a failure to me. Why shouldn't we expect more when we have all the advantage? Are we simply content with the ferns getting worse? If we don't expect more we'll keep getting served up the same tripe we're getting every international window.

If we go into this tournament how we're currently looking we'll probably lose all three games and the team will be a laughing stock for kiwis, we can't afford that. We need this tournament to be something positive for women's football and football as a whole in the country. This should be a celebration but we're all covering our eyes hoping it's not too embarrassing.




Whilst hosting games is an advantage as far as support is concerned I dont see it winning games, or scoring goals. I think what hosting does is create a bizz and in some spaces in heightens hope and expectations. I'm trying to temper my expectiations and hope. Clearly we are expected to beat Phillipines, but given current form and coaching, expecting more than that seems pointless.

But you see that's the problem. If we don't expect and demand more then NZF will continue to deliver what they currently are. We need the fans and the media to pile the pressure on to force NZF to rethink how they're going about things.
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I think expectations have to be higher for the team with us co-hosting the tournament, frankly anything less than making it out of the group stage is a failure to me. Why shouldn't we expect more when we have all the advantage? Are we simply content with the ferns getting worse? If we don't expect more we'll keep getting served up the same tripe we're getting every international window.

If we go into this tournament how we're currently looking we'll probably lose all three games and the team will be a laughing stock for kiwis, we can't afford that. We need this tournament to be something positive for women's football and football as a whole in the country. This should be a celebration but we're all covering our eyes hoping it's not too embarrassing.




Whilst hosting games is an advantage as far as support is concerned I dont see it winning games, or scoring goals. I think what hosting does is create a bizz and in some spaces in heightens hope and expectations. I'm trying to temper my expectiations and hope. Clearly we are expected to beat Phillipines, but given current form and coaching, expecting more than that seems pointless.

But you see that's the problem. If we don't expect and demand more then NZF will continue to deliver what they currently are. We need the fans and the media to pile the pressure on to force NZF to rethink how they're going about things.

You'd think after the decades of screw ups and mismanagement of the mens game since the 70's this would have already occurred huh? Oh, hang on, isnt that how we ended up with Pragnell? He replaced the incompentent head of NZF with a plan to take the game forward - he then offerred Klimkova a 6 year deal and fudgeed arround with the non-hiring of a mens manager. Honestly, nothing has changed in the organisation, even though so much has! Small improvements in facilities and wins within the women's game are great, but the overall mismanagement of the game we love is frustrating. Pragnell will hype up the fact we've had global tournaments here and our youth teams have done well - which is great for the future! But we've had that kind of stuff for years, it never translates into success at the senior level.
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I think expectations have to be higher for the team with us co-hosting the tournament, frankly anything less than making it out of the group stage is a failure to me. Why shouldn't we expect more when we have all the advantage? Are we simply content with the ferns getting worse? If we don't expect more we'll keep getting served up the same tripe we're getting every international window.

If we go into this tournament how we're currently looking we'll probably lose all three games and the team will be a laughing stock for kiwis, we can't afford that. We need this tournament to be something positive for women's football and football as a whole in the country. This should be a celebration but we're all covering our eyes hoping it's not too embarrassing.




Whilst hosting games is an advantage as far as support is concerned I dont see it winning games, or scoring goals. I think what hosting does is create a bizz and in some spaces in heightens hope and expectations. I'm trying to temper my expectiations and hope. Clearly we are expected to beat Phillipines, but given current form and coaching, expecting more than that seems pointless.

But you see that's the problem. If we don't expect and demand more then NZF will continue to deliver what they currently are. We need the fans and the media to pile the pressure on to force NZF to rethink how they're going about things.

You'd think after the decades of screw ups and mismanagement of the mens game since the 70's this would have already occurred huh? Oh, hang on, isnt that how we ended up with Pragnell? He replaced the incompentent head of NZF with a plan to take the game forward - he then offerred Klimkova a 6 year deal and fudgeed arround with the non-hiring of a mens manager. Honestly, nothing has changed in the organisation, even though so much has! Small improvements in facilities and wins within the women's game are great, but the overall mismanagement of the game we love is frustrating. Pragnell will hype up the fact we've had global tournaments here and our youth teams have done well - which is great for the future! But we've had that kind of stuff for years, it never translates into success at the senior level.

Ain't that the truth. We can only wish for better at the moment.

What's frustrating about it is that it really wouldn't have been super hard to avoid a lot if the nonsense. I mean, a 6 year contract for a coach that wasn't exactly proven to be a world beater is insane.
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This has become a bit of a general "management of NZF have screwed us" conversation - but I think it's relevant, given the poor state of the women's senior team, the shambles of player retirements and a manager with a 6 year contract. Add that to the shot show of a men's team manager that is still unresolved.
NZF has not learned, despite all the reviews/investigations into mismanagement, it's pretty clear we've limited progress.
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I've said before someone like Leon Birnie (great team culture at world cups and some decent results) or a Sam Wilkinson who from all reports is an intelligent/detailed up incoming coach and suites to both men's and women's game. I would bring someone like Maia Jackman into the support staff and get rid of Klimkovas extended mob. Jackman may even be able to get Abby back who knows but it wont be under Riley and Klimkova.

Don't let Riley chose the next coach and don't act on everything in an independent report. Use some common sense. And who ever comes in give them a 2-3 year contract.  And make them accountable for culture and results - i know the Muir report said staff wellbeing must be at the forefront which means near impossible to sack someone but stuff that. bollix

Pragnells completely and utterly shaaaarked the whole thing with the 6 year deal to please the wrong people. Clear and obvious he cannot pay her out!! A CEO in hiding. Maybe we can do a whip around and see how much we can come up with? 
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https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-podium-podcast/

Will time together ahead of the World Cup help the Football Ferns rebuild their game? 
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https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-podium-podcast/

Will time together ahead of the World Cup help the Football Ferns rebuild their game? 
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They need to be playing training games against 14-15 year old rep level youth boys teams in the lead up to the World Cup. Not just inter-squad games. That will help increase their speed of play. 
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https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-podium-podcast/

Will time together ahead of the World Cup help the Football Ferns rebuild their game? 
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Very good news for the Ferns. Can Longo get herself close to consideration now?

https://twitter.com/JacobSpoonley/status/1652417067465994240
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Brief glimpse of a shocked Ali Riley (she plays for LA) in the goal aftermath.
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Never good to see a player do their ACL, but Rood was probably a longshot for the WWC squad. Klimkova not having picked her for a long time (Nov 2021).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/131917767/knee-injury-denies-katie-rood-shot-at-making-football-ferns-fifa-womens-world-cup-squad
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I hope at the Ferns Camp she brings in some new/fresh blood. Not only to give them a chance but also to put a rocket up some of our long-time ferns ... As we know a few are playing their way out of contention!! Bring in Michaela Robertson, Tayla Obrien, Deven Jackson and some of the US College Players. Even bring in Emma Main as the bolter! Do what you have always done, and you'll get what you always had! When do they announce the players in camp??
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Sounds expensy. Should be the better for it
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Hopefully the boys team will safely push them to the limit 
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Staggered arrival of incumbent players. So bringing in extra's / fringe players at the start makes sense. Hopefully those players can push the incumbents and create a competitive environment.  This team sure needs it.
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Final squad will be 23 players, notionally 2 for every position and 3 goalkeepers.
Given that any one of those can get injured between now and then, it makes sense for there to be cover for each position, which means at a minimum 34 (23 + 11) players involved this far out.  41 is not much above that.

The other thing to note is that with FIFA regulations, a long list the "release list"  has to be provided sometime before the tournament starts ...

Each Participating Member Association shall provide FIFA with a list
of a minimum of 35 and no more than 55 players (four of whom shall
be goalkeepers, hereinafter: the release list


and that players in the final squad have to come from that list

Each member association shall be required to provide FIFA with a final
list of 23 players (three of whom shall be goalkeepers) ... The players on the final list shall be chosen from the players on the release list.


it is probably a fair assumption that those 41 are on that list.  

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Has Katie Rood upset someone at NZF? Or is she #42??
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Final squad will be 23 players, notionally 2 for every position and 3 goalkeepers.
Given that any one of those can get injured between now and then, it makes sense for there to be cover for each position, which means at a minimum 34 (23 + 11) players involved this far out.  41 is not much above that.

The other thing to note is that with FIFA regulations, a long list the "release list"  has to be provided sometime before the tournament starts ...

Each Participating Member Association shall provide FIFA with a list
of a minimum of 35 and no more than 55 players (four of whom shall
be goalkeepers, hereinafter: the release list


and that players in the final squad have to come from that list

Each member association shall be required to provide FIFA with a final
list of 23 players (three of whom shall be goalkeepers) ... The players on the final list shall be chosen from the players on the release list.


it is probably a fair assumption that those 41 are on that list.  


Ah yeah I think those points are way down the reasoning 
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Has Katie Rood upset someone at NZF? Or is she #42??

Just 2 days ago, literally less than 10 posts up on this same page is an article about Katie Rood picking up a serious injury that rules her out of contention. 
But hey, keep having digs at NZF.
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Has Katie Rood upset someone at NZF? Or is she #42??

Did her ACL last week.

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Rusty Dunks
Has Katie Rood upset someone at NZF? Or is she #42??

Just 2 days ago, literally less than 10 posts up on this same page is an article about Katie Rood picking up a serious injury that rules her out of contention. 
But hey, keep having digs at NZF.
Where's the dig? But hey, keep jumping on people who don't have time to read everything. Nice.  

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