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That is not what you said though.
You said NZF would only look at kids from "aligned" places. I don't believe that is true (and the fact that a couple of Feds banged the drum to try to get kids back to FTC doesn't prove it).
But, as I said above, even if it IS true it actually doesn't matter unless you can point to seriously good players who missed out because they were outside the aligned path.
I am no expert, but I don't think there are likely to be many/any huge talents out there that NZF have deliberately overlooked because they didn't attend the FTC.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Got to ask how you know this?.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Ok. I was a NFF and AFF coach as well as one year on NTC. I know Jose well and also Rob Sherman via the coaching.
Never once were we ever directed to tell parents and players that they had to be in the federation system to be eligible for NZ selections. We did stress that it was better if they were in the Federation system to be seen. The reason for this is very simple. As a small country its a far more efficient method for identifying and tracking the better players than relying on various scouting networks and the various academies around the country.
Before the Federation training setup the method for identifying and developing talent came down to coaching staff attending the National tournament in Napier each year and also various school tournaments. That was horribly flawed because it meant players might only be seen once or twice during a season. The problem there is that with junior and youth players there are growth spurts, physical, mental and emotional. If the U17 national coaches watched a player at the National Federation tournament and a talented player was in the middle of a particular growth spurt they might be having a bad tournament or as in the case of one player I know get injured in the first game and not be seen.
The federation training setup means that more players are seen on a regular basis by more coaches and thus have a better chance of getting a more accurate assessment. The previous model just didnt offer that sort of overall cover. If you think I am following some party line then you are mistaken. There are flaws, no system is perfect but I have been coaching for a long time and the system at present is far better than anything that went before in terms of being able to identify and track players.
With respect to your claims I am calling bullshark. There is no directive to exclude any players outside of the federation framework, in fact doing that would go directly against Hudsons attempts to throw out a broader net.
there are things that could be done better at Federation and National level with respect to coaching and its a shame that those things arent discussed but BS conspiracy theories such as this are the ones people discuss.
Ok. I was a NFF and AFF coach as well as one year on NTC. I know Jose well and also Rob Sherman via the coaching.
Never once were we ever directed to tell parents and players that they had to be in the federation system to be eligible for NZ selections. We did stress that it was better if they were in the Federation system to be seen. The reason for this is very simple. As a small country its a far more efficient method for identifying and tracking the better players than relying on various scouting networks and the various academies around the country.
Before the Federation training setup the method for identifying and developing talent came down to coaching staff attending the National tournament in Napier each year and also various school tournaments. That was horribly flawed because it meant players might only be seen once or twice during a season. The problem there is that with junior and youth players there are growth spurts, physical, mental and emotional. If the U17 national coaches watched a player at the National Federation tournament and a talented player was in the middle of a particular growth spurt they might be having a bad tournament or as in the case of one player I know get injured in the first game and not be seen.
The federation training setup means that more players are seen on a regular basis by more coaches and thus have a better chance of getting a more accurate assessment. The previous model just didnt offer that sort of overall cover. If you think I am following some party line then you are mistaken. There are flaws, no system is perfect but I have been coaching for a long time and the system at present is far better than anything that went before in terms of being able to identify and track players.
With respect to your claims I am calling bullshark. There is no directive to exclude any players outside of the federation framework, in fact doing that would go directly against Hudsons attempts to throw out a broader net.
there are things that could be done better at Federation and National level with respect to coaching and its a shame that those things arent discussed but BS conspiracy theories such as this are the ones people discuss.
As you say, every system has its flaws and I understand the federation argument about seeing players more often. I've been personally involved in the Fed FTC/NTC system since it started (in the South Island), but fact is, at the start of this U17 cycle when Andy Hedge was in his NZF role (reporting to RS I think), a certain private academy's players were excluded from the trial and selection process. Since Andy departed NZF, two people who currently work in the NTC/NZF youth coaching space (both known well to me) have confirmed that players at that particular academy would not be included in U17 process. Something has changed only very recently - in the last few weeks; as I said, presumably due to Hudson's strategy of looking at players from everywhere.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Ok. I was a NFF and AFF coach as well as one year on NTC. I know Jose well and also Rob Sherman via the coaching.
Never once were we ever directed to tell parents and players that they had to be in the federation system to be eligible for NZ selections. We did stress that it was better if they were in the Federation system to be seen. The reason for this is very simple. As a small country its a far more efficient method for identifying and tracking the better players than relying on various scouting networks and the various academies around the country.
Before the Federation training setup the method for identifying and developing talent came down to coaching staff attending the National tournament in Napier each year and also various school tournaments. That was horribly flawed because it meant players might only be seen once or twice during a season. The problem there is that with junior and youth players there are growth spurts, physical, mental and emotional. If the U17 national coaches watched a player at the National Federation tournament and a talented player was in the middle of a particular growth spurt they might be having a bad tournament or as in the case of one player I know get injured in the first game and not be seen.
The federation training setup means that more players are seen on a regular basis by more coaches and thus have a better chance of getting a more accurate assessment. The previous model just didnt offer that sort of overall cover. If you think I am following some party line then you are mistaken. There are flaws, no system is perfect but I have been coaching for a long time and the system at present is far better than anything that went before in terms of being able to identify and track players.
With respect to your claims I am calling bullshark. There is no directive to exclude any players outside of the federation framework, in fact doing that would go directly against Hudsons attempts to throw out a broader net.
there are things that could be done better at Federation and National level with respect to coaching and its a shame that those things arent discussed but BS conspiracy theories such as this are the ones people discuss.
I 100% agree with this.
Ok. I was a NFF and AFF coach as well as one year on NTC. I know Jose well and also Rob Sherman via the coaching.
Never once were we ever directed to tell parents and players that they had to be in the federation system to be eligible for NZ selections. We did stress that it was better if they were in the Federation system to be seen. The reason for this is very simple. As a small country its a far more efficient method for identifying and tracking the better players than relying on various scouting networks and the various academies around the country.
Before the Federation training setup the method for identifying and developing talent came down to coaching staff attending the National tournament in Napier each year and also various school tournaments. That was horribly flawed because it meant players might only be seen once or twice during a season. The problem there is that with junior and youth players there are growth spurts, physical, mental and emotional. If the U17 national coaches watched a player at the National Federation tournament and a talented player was in the middle of a particular growth spurt they might be having a bad tournament or as in the case of one player I know get injured in the first game and not be seen.
The federation training setup means that more players are seen on a regular basis by more coaches and thus have a better chance of getting a more accurate assessment. The previous model just didnt offer that sort of overall cover. If you think I am following some party line then you are mistaken. There are flaws, no system is perfect but I have been coaching for a long time and the system at present is far better than anything that went before in terms of being able to identify and track players.
With respect to your claims I am calling bullshark. There is no directive to exclude any players outside of the federation framework, in fact doing that would go directly against Hudsons attempts to throw out a broader net.
there are things that could be done better at Federation and National level with respect to coaching and its a shame that those things arent discussed but BS conspiracy theories such as this are the ones people discuss.
As you say, every system has its flaws and I understand the federation argument about seeing players more often. I've been personally involved in the Fed FTC/NTC system since it started (in the South Island), but fact is, at the start of this U17 cycle when Andy Hedge was in his NZF role (reporting to RS I think), a certain private academy's players were excluded from the trial and selection process. Since Andy departed NZF, two people who currently work in the NTC/NZF youth coaching space (both known well to me) have confirmed that players at that particular academy would not be included in U17 process. Something has changed only very recently - in the last few weeks; as I said, presumably due to Hudson's strategy of looking at players from everywhere.
Weren,t there players from this certian academy in the last u17 team?
I've been around Ole since the late 90s GG. And it sounds very much to me like you're buying into a conspiracy theory that just doesn't have any supporting facts.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
GG off topic but just for interests sake the area where I think we need and can improve is with respect to positions given to coaches and their ability and suitability.
Currently we select kids for rep teams, academy tournament teams, club top teams and club tournament teams and also schools by making assessments based on observation. In some case based on trials which may involve 1 or more games, in other cases based on observation of players over the course of a season or multiple training sessions. At NFF, AFF and NTC level which I am familiar with these observations come from up to a dozen coaches and their scores are collated and assessed. So with respect to assessing junior and youth players we have in general a reasonably decent system.
What we dont have is a similar system or habits for choosing coaches. This applies to club coaches, school coaches, private academy coaches and also NZ federation coaches. We rely on coaching qualifications, word of mouth, personal recommendations and the occasional interview. What we dont do is submit our coaches to observation and scrutiny over a period of time. Coaches just like players have bad days and good days so they need to be observed a number of times.
I think that the next step forward (btw I think we have progressed a lot in the last decade especially with coaching methods etc all over NZ) I believe is to start to assess coaches in a similar manner to how we assess players. 2 benefits, firstly we end up with better coaches at federation and private academy level, secondly as with coaching and observing junior and youth players over time we can more effectively help them become better players, the same applies to coaches.
Currently in all Federations I have no doubt there are some coaches working in there who are not as good as they should be for that job. This however applies to clubs, schools and private academies as well.
We need to start to observe our coaches more effectively before giving them the more important jobs.
Thats a far bigger issue than players not being in the Federation training system.
I've been around Ole since the late 90s GG. And it sounds very much to me like you're buying into a conspiracy theory that just doesn't have any supporting facts.
Possibly speaking out of turn but I don't think GG is talking about Ole.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
I've been around Ole since the late 90s GG. And it sounds very much to me like you're buying into a conspiracy theory that just doesn't have any supporting facts.
Possibly speaking out of turn but I don't think GG is talking about Ole.
Happy to stand corrected. I thought he specifically mentioned Ole by name?
Anyway, to sum up I'm not saying NZF are good at this stuff. I'm just saying I don't buy into the existence of some epic conspiracy that has excluded talented kids from national teams just to promote the FTC/NTC shamozzle.
For more evidence in support of the incompetence theory I present to you this week's events in Olympic qualifying.
I also endorse wholeheartedly what AlfStamp has been saying above.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
I've been around Ole since the late 90s GG. And it sounds very much to me like you're buying into a conspiracy theory that just doesn't have any supporting facts.
Possibly speaking out of turn but I don't think GG is talking about Ole.
Happy to stand corrected. I thought he specifically mentioned Ole by name?
Anyway, to sum up I'm not saying NZF are good at this stuff. I'm just saying I don't buy into the existence of some epic conspiracy that has excluded talented kids from national teams just to promote the FTC/NTC shamozzle.
For more evidence in support of the incompetence theory I present to you this week's events in Olympic qualifying.
I also endorse wholeheartedly what AlfStamp has been saying above.
Incompetence as the default option for all NZF activities seems like a pretty solid assumption at this point.
A great discussion about pathways here.
I reckon everyone wants the same thing. The strongest teams that can be fielded.
There will always be injuries and slumps in form/interest from the athletes. FTC sound like they are great at taking this on board - the whole player approach.
As long as everyone gets a chance - that is the main thing. However, sometimes coaches also need to take a punt - follow a gut instinct.
We are talking missing out on Marco's really - the players that should fly through the FTC/NTC but for some reason have not. It would be interesting to know how many others are out there and how to find them?
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
So has everyone in the U17 team been born in NZ or have an NZ parent of grandparent?
This would be a great time to have a conversation with the squad and get FIFA exemptions lodged.
Grumpy old bastard alert
A great discussion about pathways here.
I reckon everyone wants the same thing. The strongest teams that can be fielded.
There will always be injuries and slumps in form/interest from the athletes. FTC sound like they are great at taking this on board - the whole player approach.
As long as everyone gets a chance - that is the main thing. However, sometimes coaches also need to take a punt - follow a gut instinct.
We are talking missing out on Marco's really - the players that should fly through the FTC/NTC but for some reason have not. It would be interesting to know how many others are out there and how to find them?
Just on Marco, he was dropped from NTC...
Which really augments what Fitz was saying in his post above :)
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 15, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
Grumpy old bastard alert
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
Conor is too old for 17's, but can make the next cycle of 20's
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Birhanu Taye - if he will let me adopt him
- but I think he has had enough tragedy in his life - so I should just let him go.
All these players have done their whanau proud - hope they stick at it in a tough minded sport.
(Hadn't seen this article till just now - should add Sarpreet Singh's name to the list - midfield (Sorry Birhanu - more competition)
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
With respect to the players "eligible" for U-17s;
Ellis Hare-Reid, Kieran Pinkney I'm sure would have been looked at multiple times in 2014/15 through NTC and Federation visits. I remember NZF & U-17 staff traveling down to both NTCs and Christchurch.
Dylan Morris since he arrived up in Auckland with training with the Auckland/Hamilton based U-17 group 2 x times a week??
Max Mata again had been training with the current U-17 group but being a 2000 born player is eligible for the next U-17 cycle...if he was to play in this years U-17 WC he would not be able to play again in 2 years time for his age.
Singh can hardly be called 'missed'. Ran the midfield in the U-17 qualifiers and playing every week for the WeeNix.
Missed by me - mea culpa - got excited when I found the Max Mata article and chucked him in. Not under the radar it would seem.
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
Birhanu Taye would be in the Deklan Wynne boat...need the excemption from FIFA if someone could be bothered to write the letter ?
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
With respect to the players "eligible" for U-17s;
Ellis Hare-Reid, Kieran Pinkney I'm sure would have been looked at multiple times in 2014/15 through NTC and Federation visits. I remember NZF & U-17 staff traveling down to both NTCs and Christchurch.
Dylan Morris since he arrived up in Auckland with training with the Auckland/Hamilton based U-17 group 2 x times a week??
Max Mata again had been training with the current U-17 group but being a 2000 born player is eligible for the next U-17 cycle...if he was to play in this years U-17 WC he would not be able to play again in 2 years time for his age.
TMNS you are correct that Hare-Reid and Pinkney were seen multiple times by Jose since April 2014.
Morris (a regular NTC player who moved to Ole aged 15 in January 2014) subsequently left Ole at end of 2014 after it became obvious NZF were excluding Ole players from training camps in this cycle.
Pijnaker was not one of the 5 (?) Ole players selected recently to go to current U17 camp.
By the way, both Morris and Pinkney are midfielders, not defenders.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish
, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
Do you have any idea what your talking about? Max is only recently turned 15. Dylan Morris is a forward, and a midfielder on the odd occasion
Their positions are not the point - it was just a team I put together in theory.
- the chance of them making future age grade teams and talking about their development - that's the main point
- and yip Max is only 15 - which is awesome for his development.
Question - can players play in the same age grade tournment more than once? Or do they just play up?
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
so hold Max over
Play him in a WC at his optimal level
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
I know Hare Reid and Pinkney definitely pursued IFANZ(ex Burnley)/Cracks Academy option after they missed U17 training camp selection. Note, both have UK passports/eligibility.
As previously stated Morris left Ole after not being given a chance to trial by NZF, this cycle, because he was at Ole (a decision only very recently reversed for Ole players). Only time will tell whether leaving Ole environment for Auckland school/club/possible u17 world cup turns out to be a good decision or not.
I think in principle "encouraging players...to get overseas" is cool; but way too reliant on parentage/passport/eligibility to be a reliable foundation for the development of the majority of NZ players.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
Or did they just go on a parent-funded trip to the UK to play some football?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
I know Hare Reid and Pinkney definitely pursued IFANZ(ex Burnley)/Cracks Academy option after they missed U17 training camp selection. Note, both have UK passports/eligibility.
As previously stated Morris left Ole after not being given a chance to trial by NZF, this cycle, because he was at Ole (a decision only very recently reversed for Ole players). Only time will tell whether leaving Ole environment for Auckland school/club/possible u17 world cup turns out to be a good decision or not.
I think in principle "encouraging players...to get overseas" is cool; but way too reliant on parentage/passport/eligibility to be a reliable foundation for the development of the majority of NZ players.
Where are you getting your intel that Ole players are excluded?
Out of the previous crop of Ole players, Alex Palezevic was in a national team, Riley Kelliher was in a national team (iirc), Corey Brown was in a national team...they were all at Ole at the same time they were in national teams.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Noah as well?
Also, the kids with UK passports are they even eligible? #Wynngate
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
I know Hare Reid and Pinkney definitely pursued IFANZ(ex Burnley)/Cracks Academy option after they missed U17 training camp selection. Note, both have UK passports/eligibility.
As previously stated Morris left Ole after not being given a chance to trial by NZF, this cycle, because he was at Ole (a decision only very recently reversed for Ole players). Only time will tell whether leaving Ole environment for Auckland school/club/possible u17 world cup turns out to be a good decision or not.
I think in principle "encouraging players...to get overseas" is cool; but way too reliant on parentage/passport/eligibility to be a reliable foundation for the development of the majority of NZ players.
Where are you getting your intel that Ole players are excluded?
Out of the previous crop of Ole players, Alex Palezevic was in a national team, Riley Kelliher was in a national team (iirc), Corey Brown was in a national team...they were all at Ole at the same time they were in national teams.
I've said it once or twice. This cycle. For U17. It was policy. Commencing April 2014 NTC. Jose new coach. Ole players excluded from all training camps. National coach didn't visit Ole. Only with Hudson quest for players maybe, or change of coach that Ole players considered for U17. Faber doesn't count by the way as he was still doing FTC, not Ole, when he went to an initial camp. I promise you I'm not wearing a tin foil hat ;)
Anyway, cycle nearly over now. Ole lads only had one shot at a training camp. Football politics.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Under the radar U17/U20
Conor Tracey, 17, GK - Beachlands/QPR (Eng)
Ellis Hare-Reid, 16, GK - IFANZ/Cracks (Spain)
Dylan Morris, 17, Back, Ole/St Kents
Dan Allen, 18, CB, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Cro) Trial
Kieran Pinkney, 17, Back, IFANZ, Cracks (Spain)
Birhanu Taye, 19, Wing, APFA, (Slov) - OK - taking the shark a bit - but needed a right wing and missed the U20 cut. He's known.
Dylan Burns, 18, Mid, West Lake/Nottingham Forest (Eng)
Bertie Fish, 17, HMid, Northern Suburbs/Splits (Trial)
Nando Pijnaker, 17, Wing/Mid, Ole/Western Heights - Dutch passport - uh oh - look out.
Waikato Ball, 18, St Pauls/Phoenix Trial and friendly goal (2014)
Max Mata, 16, Striker, Onehunga Sports/Man U tournaments (Brother is in U17 - Ben)
Patrick Hay, 17, Striker, Auckland Grammer/5000 juggles in front of a croud = dedication to a goal.
Hopefully some of these players can get a look in at age group level?
So which one is your kid?
Looks like Ellis Hare-Reid was in the Burnley Academy in Chch, so he certainly is trying as hard as he can to go pro - he went on a tour of England with a guy from Dunedin called Jack Kirkwood, who plays in the Dunedin club scene for Green Island but is probably 19 now - getting old believe it or not aswell as Perth based Burnley Academy players. No England trial for Kirkwood as far as I can tell.
I guess the question is - did missing out on Rep honours so far, give these players the drive to get overseas = great for their development, or did overseas scouts and coaches see something in these players that the FTC/NTC did not see?
Should we have U17A and U20A teams to increase the player pools - or should we just encourage players not in the squads to get overseas and prove their point to selectors?
Or did they just go on a parent-funded trip to the UK to play some football?
When any overseas club talks of an 'academy' in this part of the world there is always the promise of an overseas trial for selected players. Milan doing the same thing right now. Burnley simply honoured the commitment and a couple of Kiwis and Aussies went over. Nothing came of it for any of them but sometimes you just get lucky, ie Cam Howieson.
Cracks looks to be the Spanish football academy run as a business, wit promise of games and 'trials' against other Spanish club youth teams. If you can kick a ball and can pay, off you go for a term, or a year.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
