Those early identification camps have been user pays (travel at least) for a long time.
New Zealand Men's U-20s
Invite list for the mens u20 camp this month.
Here, I'll post it in a more readable format.
Goalkeepers: Cam Brown, Keegan Smith, Aidan Munford, Zac Jones
Defenders: Nando Pijnaker, Liberato Cacace, Trevor Zwetsloot, Josh Rogerson, Boyd Curry, Jordan Spain, Sam Philip, Jacob Masseurs, Jake Williams, Liam Moore
Midfielders: Sarpreet Singh, Dane Schnell, Callan Elliott, Lachie McIsaac, Xavier Green, Willem Ebbinge, Oli Whyte, Kingsley Sinclair
Forwards: Eli Just, Max Mata, Charles Spragg, Matt Palmer, Jake Mechell, Finn Ballard-McBride
Can’t make camp: Michael Woud, Dane Ingham, Dalton Wilkins, Ben Deeley, Troy Tapsell, Joe Bell, Callum McCowatt, Leon van den Hoven, Matt Conroy, Ihaia Delaney
WHERE ARE THE PLAYERS FROM CHRISTCHURCH!
WHERE ARE THE PLAYERS FROM CHRISTCHURCH!
Chch players are Spain, Phillip and Bell.
The 2018 OFC U-19 Championship starts on 5th August. Just confirmed today is the following won't be in the team but I haven't see a team list for who will be.
Sarpreet Singh and Liberato Cacace will remain with the Phoenix for their A-League pre-season, which means they will miss the Oceania Under-20 campaign. Also missing the tournament are fellow professionals Dane Ingham and Michael Woud, and the Western Suburbs contingent.
— Phillip Rollo (@ByPhillipRollo) July 24, 2018
We are in Group A with Tahiti who at the Host, Tonga who came through the earlier qualification series and Papua New Guinea. First game is against Tahiti on the 5th.
Both teams that make the finals go through to the U-20 World Cup next year in Poland.
Should be strong enough to win it with many players missing. The names that are gone would obviously be very influential players though.
I assume the Wests players pulling out is related to the Chatham Cup game v Onehunga? The professional ones are obvious though, its a tournament outside a FIFA window.
Zwetsloot at Bremen II you would also think could be unavailable. He was apparently star of the first camp.
Think Wests boys should be available. Can’t NZF reschedule their QF tie?
Failing to qualify for a U20 WC would be huge fudge up. Surely you want to lessen risk of that as much as possible.
Going from mid winter NZ to the Islands is never a stroll in the park.
Zwetsloot at Bremen II you would also think could be unavailable. He was apparently star of the first camp.
Think Wests boys should be available. Can’t NZF reschedule their QF tie?
Failing to qualify for a U20 WC would be huge fudge up. Surely you want to lessen risk of that as much as possible.
Going from mid winter NZ to the Islands is never a stroll in the park.
Imagine some of the other QF sides probably in danger of losing a few and wondering why they didn't try the same thing.
Zwetsloot at Bremen II you would also think could be unavailable. He was apparently star of the first camp.
Think Wests boys should be available. Can’t NZF reschedule their QF tie?
Failing to qualify for a U20 WC would be huge fudge up. Surely you want to lessen risk of that as much as possible.
Going from mid winter NZ to the Islands is never a stroll in the park.
Bremen have allowed him to travel.
can't believe the above. Time for this interim CEO to step up and tell some people what is going to happen
You can't make players play...
That being said, I think a very clear message of, if you don't play you are putting your future chances at risk (excluding the professional players)
What's more important - you decide!
NZ football, squabbling, infighting and shooting itself in the foot since the beginning of time.
U19s may well breeze through this tournament (dates 4-18 August). After all only have to make final to secure spot at World Cup U20, ie win semi. However surely makes sense to have all the best domestic based U19 players in Tahiti.
Good for their development playing in foreign conditions, effectively in camp for 2 weeks with U20 national coaches etc etc.
Also what happens if half the team is changed for U20 World Cup next year (when the 'better' players then all become available) - not great for morale, and bit of kick in the face for those kids who go to Tahiti and are then dropped for the WC.
Worse of course is if a weakened U19 side don't manage to qualify for WC in Tahiti. What a fudge up that would be.
Surely NZF and the Mainland, Central & Northern Federations can reschedule league or Chatham Cup games - so that teams, with U19 players are not penalised. They always reschedule ACFC Handy games, when they are away at CWC. Presume they will do same for TW.
Sort it out.
Perhaps this is why the squad has not been officially announced yet - working on it?
Outside of the NIX players, its unlikely we will see Max Mata as well I persume. Is our second string team still likely to win?
if we can't qualify with a second string team then probably best we don't qualify?
Surely NZF and the Mainland, Central & Northern Federations can reschedule league or Chatham Cup games - so that teams, with U19 players are not penalised. They always reschedule ACFC Handy games, when they are away at CWC. Presume they will do same for TW.
Boy. It would be awkward if that had been proposed but declined.
Perhaps this is why the squad has not been officially announced yet - working on it?
Outside of the NIX players, its unlikely we will see Max Mata as well I persume. Is our second string team still likely to win?
The squad hasn't been announced because it is being named/selected on Friday, at the end of this week's camp.
Outside of the NIX players, its unlikely we will see Max Mata as well I persume.
Max arrived yesterday from his overseas trial, and was at the 20's
To be fair to Declan, he's never made it a secret that he doesn't think that age-grade tournaments are good for player development, and that they're a bit of a waste of time and resources. And in my view, he's not wrong on that one - we (by which I mean fans) tend to attach much more importance to these tournaments than they actually have.
Mata wouldn't be at Grasshopper without the u17 tournament, it was based on this he was asked to trial.
Mata wouldn't be at Grasshopper without the u17 tournament, it was based on this he was asked to trial.
So they waited 8 months after it to invite him for a trial?
Yeah, they may have seen him there, but they spent time tracking him to see whether it'd be worth their time. Young players don't get signed based on these tournaments, the scouting networks are way too developed these days for that.
You can't make players play...
That being said, I think a very clear message of, if you don't play you are putting your future chances at risk (excluding the professional players)
What's more important - you decide!
I was at an event in 2017 where a senior NZF official stated the West's kids (whilst being the best in the country) would never be selected for a tournament in the Islands because they aren't big enough or strong enough to cope.
Is that a clear enough message ?
Mata wouldn't be at Grasshopper without the u17 tournament, it was based on this he was asked to trial.
So they waited 8 months after it to invite him for a trial?
Yeah, they may have seen him there, but they spent time tracking him to see whether it'd be worth their time. Young players don't get signed based on these tournaments, the scouting networks are way too developed these days for that.
OM spotted Tuiloma at an age group WC (U17?), Gleeson also signed by Portland after an age group WC. NZ is a football pimple at the bottom of the globe, of course these tourneys help our young players get noticed. More yes for the youngsters who don’t want to go down the Wests, US College, Scandy lower leagues route.
Not all of those 5 Wests players unavailable for U19s will become a Boyd or Thomas. For some attending an U20 WC may end up almost being a career highlight.
Anyway to me until know full facts (if ever), both Ole and NZF look culpable if these kids are not in Tahiti.
You can't make players play...
That being said, I think a very clear message of, if you don't play you are putting your future chances at risk (excluding the professional players)
What's more important - you decide!
I was at an event in 2017 where a senior NZF official stated the West's kids (whilst being the best in the country) would never be selected for a tournament in the Islands because they aren't big enough or strong enough to cope.
Is that a clear enough message ?
I call bullshark! No way that they wouldn't take the best players even if they think the islands are tough. Most of those "kids" play with men and get pushed around in those games, Island boys wouldn't be much different.
You can't make players play...
That being said, I think a very clear message of, if you don't play you are putting your future chances at risk (excluding the professional players)
What's more important - you decide!
I was at an event in 2017 where a senior NZF official stated the West's kids (whilst being the best in the country) would never be selected for a tournament in the Islands because they aren't big enough or strong enough to cope.
Is that a clear enough message ?
Was it Andy Martin?
Eilijah Just played in the 2017 OFC qualification in Tahiti
Mata wouldn't be at Grasshopper without the u17 tournament, it was based on this he was asked to trial.
So they waited 8 months after it to invite him for a trial?
Yeah, they may have seen him there, but they spent time tracking him to see whether it'd be worth their time. Young players don't get signed based on these tournaments, the scouting networks are way too developed these days for that.
OM spotted Tuiloma at an age group WC (U17?), Gleeson also signed by Portland after an age group WC. NZ is a football pimple at the bottom of the globe, of course these tourneys help our young players get noticed. More yes for the youngsters who don’t want to go down the Wests, US College, Scandy lower leagues route.
Not all of those 5 Wests players unavailable for U19s will become a Boyd or Thomas. For some attending an U20 WC may end up almost being a career highlight.
Anyway to me until know full facts (if ever), both Ole and NZF look culpable if these kids are not in Tahiti.
Getting an occasional trial out of it isn't really a great return for the investement, considering how much these tournaments cost NZF. The point is that the top players that we have at that age, assuming they're prepared to work for it, will get chances at professional level to prove they're good enough with or without the age-grade World Cups.
For the other ones, yes, a youth World Cup may be the highlight of their career and an experience of a lifetime, but is that a great use of NZF resources, which are limited at the best of times?
The point is that the top players that we have at that age, assuming they're prepared to work for it, will get chances at professional level
If they are allowed to take them.
I thought FIFA covered the cost of the youth tournaments - afterall the still draw in hugh crowds and revenue.
Mata wouldn't be at Grasshopper without the u17 tournament, it was based on this he was asked to trial.
So they waited 8 months after it to invite him for a trial?
Yeah, they may have seen him there, but they spent time tracking him to see whether it'd be worth their time. Young players don't get signed based on these tournaments, the scouting networks are way too developed these days for that.
I thought FIFA covered the cost of the youth tournaments - afterall the still draw in hugh crowds and revenue.
They cover most of the costs of the tournament itself, though not everything, so it still comes at some cost. For the qualifying, participating association have to bear the brunt of the cost, which is why we had the 'pay to play' situation under FDJ.
Right now, there seems to be a million reasons why players will not play for our national teams
More info in this article from Andrew V, including details of Buckingham's communication with Wests
fair play to anyone that doesn't make themselves available for whatever reason for an age group tournie in the Islands, especially given NZFs recent shambles
Seriously?
What are these guys going to tell their grandchildren.
I once played for Wests in a quarterfinal or once I played for my country?
And what does this mean if/when these guys make the all whites?
A team of Chris Woods or
This lot who sound like a team of Tyler Boyds
A team of Chris Woods
Coincidentally, Wood skipped an U20 World Cup in 2011 to focus on his professional career.
they hand out AW caps like lollies candy these days,so..
For what it's worth, I do personally know 2 players who were told by professional coaches that they were being overlooked for a contract in favour of an alternative option who had, unlike them, played in junior international tournaments.
The theory being that those who had exposure to these tournaments would be more likely to handle the pressures of pro football than those who had not.
He skipped it for West Brom, not Hamilton Wanderers. A bit of a difference as he was already a professional, not quite the same as the West's situation and he had already appeared at the 2007 U17 World Cup.
More info in this article from Andrew V, including details of Buckingham's communication with Wests
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/10...
Feel sorry for Buckingham in all this. Mostly admire the work Edge and co do at Ole/Wests, but strongly disagree with their apparent stance on this standoff.
Sounds like NZF have offered them an alternative date for their Chatham Cup quarter final, but they have turned it down. If so piss poor.
Heraf is suspended, Bucks is an up and coming NZ coach. I don’t think he will be coaching a solely route one approach.