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New Zealand Men's U-20s

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Global Game wrote:
Great post Austin! What level is Jesse Edge playing? I thought he was first team squad for Italian Serie B?

Last heard of "playing regularly for reserves" - in Serie C, not B. 

see Jesse Edge thread in Kiwi players overseas.

In first team squad at Vicenza in Serie B - have had a sensational season and are third in the league and close to promotion to Serie A.

39 games played  - three to go. Four points off second place. The top two sides gain automatic promotion - the next six enter the play-offs.

Would be sensational if Vicenza gain promotion and they retain Jesse.

He's been on the bench for the first team six times this season. Also playing for the reserves.

Vicenza first team squad (official website) includes Jesse:

http://www.vicenzacalcio.com/giocatori/

Jesse Edge stats this season:

http://int.soccerway.com/players/jess-edge/193487/

Serie B Table:

http://int.soccerway.com/national/italy/serie-b/20...

The season finishes May 23 with the play-offs for a couple of weeks afterwards.

But Vicenza will probably release him for the u-20 World Cup since he's only a fringe first team player.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 11 years ago

austin10 wrote:

There seems to be an elevated expectations on the quality of the NZ team for this tournament.

The reality is that these boys will not be anywhere good enough to make an impact. Sure they might guts it out and snatch a point but in terms of skill, experiance etc they are light years away from most other sides. This team is a bunch of kids who are very raw. Tuiloma, is the exception but for the rest...its ASB or youth level overseas. Probably none of them would make the Nix starting eleven. It would be nice to think they could try and play some attractive football......but the gulf between them and most of their opposition will be huge. The traditional NZ methods of keeping it tight, getting numbers behind the ball and set pieces might be their best bet. Hometown advantage might inspire an upset result but when we meet quality teams we will really really struggle.

i think everyone should lower their expectations and just try and enjoy the football spectacle.....if the kiwi lads surprise us then great. But we should not burden them with any hope that they can play above the level that they are at.

That's what we thought about our u-17 team in 1999 and they went on to beat Poland at North Harbour.

Finished only one point behind Uruguay on the table and ahead of Poland.

Narrow loss to a USA team containing some of the future best US players of the next 15 years like Donovan and Beasley.

Lead USA 1-0 at half-time, conceded the US winner on 74 mins to Donovan.

Were thrashed 5-0 by Uruguay, but that was Uruguay on a good day with Peralta one of the players of the tournament.

Of that NZ side, Christie, Lochead, Mulligan and Pearce later made the All Whites.

None of them were close to the technical ability of Tuiloma and maybe a few other members of the current u-20's like Wynn, Blake, Lewis, Rufer, Ridenton and Stevens.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 11 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

austin10 wrote:

There seems to be an elevated expectations on the quality of the NZ team for this tournament.

The reality is that these boys will not be anywhere good enough to make an impact. Sure they might guts it out and snatch a point but in terms of skill, experiance etc they are light years away from most other sides. This team is a bunch of kids who are very raw. Tuiloma, is the exception but for the rest...its ASB or youth level overseas. Probably none of them would make the Nix starting eleven. It would be nice to think they could try and play some attractive football......but the gulf between them and most of their opposition will be huge. The traditional NZ methods of keeping it tight, getting numbers behind the ball and set pieces might be their best bet. Hometown advantage might inspire an upset result but when we meet quality teams we will really really struggle.

i think everyone should lower their expectations and just try and enjoy the football spectacle.....if the kiwi lads surprise us then great. But we should not burden them with any hope that they can play above the level that they are at.

That's what we thought about our u-17 team in 1999 and they went on to beat Poland at North Harbour.

Finished only one point behind Uruguay on the table and ahead of Poland.

Narrow loss to a USA team containing some of the future best US players of the next 15 years like Donovan and Beasley.

Lead USA 1-0 at half-time, conceded the US winner on 74 mins to Donovan.

Were thrashed 5-0 by Uruguay, but that was Uruguay on a good day with Peralta one of the players of the tournament.

Of that NZ side, Christie, Lochead, Mulligan and Pearce later made the All Whites.

None of them were close to the technical ability of Tuiloma and maybe a few other members of the current u-20's like Wynn, Blake, Lewis, Rufer, Ridenton and Stevens.

Completely take your point BP. I was just commenting the rise in expectations of the team. We all hope they do well and play above themselves but if they get built up too much then people will slag them off for not achieving. They certainly would not deserve this. There were already negative comments being made about their style of play after the Australia game. 

When you look through the team lists of some of the other countries there are guys who have plenty of first team game time in good leagues. There are plenty of 18 and 19 yo's playing top level football globally. Most of our guys come from ASB level.....I think we are going to find out that there are some very very skillfull players at this tournament.

I will, like everyone else, be cheering our boys all the way. I will not dump on them if they get dicked.

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almost 11 years ago

Sun, 26 Apr 2015

Junior All Whites ready for FIFA Under-20 World Cup

Brendan Telfer talks with Darren Beazley, the Coach of the NZ Under 20s ahead of the FIFA Under 20 World Cup. He talks about their build-up, including a Five Nations series against Panama, Qatar, Ghana and Australia and how they think they'll place in the up-coming World Cup.

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Junior-All-Whites-ready-for-FIFA-Under-20-World-Cup/tabid/506/articleID/79899/Default.aspx

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almost 11 years ago
When is Hudson's U20 squad announced by Bazeley? #alignment

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 11 years ago

needs more Corey Brown

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almost 11 years ago

Global Game wrote:
When is Hudson's U20 squad announced by Bazeley? #alignment

In "the next few days" - Star Times (May 10).

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

I wonder if any of the players that have arrived from overseas won't make the cut.. does NZ Football pay to bring them over for the pre tourny games?

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almost 11 years ago

squad announced at 10am on Friday.

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almost 11 years ago

I watched them v Qatar on Sunday and it wasn't great ... 

Looked laboured on the ball, touch wasn't as good as it should be  ... the biggest concern though is a lack of dynamism/pace/athleticism.

Tuiloma's a good athlete, not sure what position Bazeley will use him in ... but this is another NZ age-group side where you watch and realise football in NZ still doesn't attract/have the crop of the country's athletic talent.

That's always going to hinder us at international level, even while our players continue to improve technically and tactically.

    

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almost 11 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

austin10 wrote:

There seems to be an elevated expectations on the quality of the NZ team for this tournament.

The reality is that these boys will not be anywhere good enough to make an impact. Sure they might guts it out and snatch a point but in terms of skill, experiance etc they are light years away from most other sides. This team is a bunch of kids who are very raw. Tuiloma, is the exception but for the rest...its ASB or youth level overseas. Probably none of them would make the Nix starting eleven. It would be nice to think they could try and play some attractive football......but the gulf between them and most of their opposition will be huge. The traditional NZ methods of keeping it tight, getting numbers behind the ball and set pieces might be their best bet. Hometown advantage might inspire an upset result but when we meet quality teams we will really really struggle.

i think everyone should lower their expectations and just try and enjoy the football spectacle.....if the kiwi lads surprise us then great. But we should not burden them with any hope that they can play above the level that they are at.

That's what we thought about our u-17 team in 1999 and they went on to beat Poland at North Harbour.

Finished only one point behind Uruguay on the table and ahead of Poland.

Narrow loss to a USA team containing some of the future best US players of the next 15 years like Donovan and Beasley.

Lead USA 1-0 at half-time, conceded the US winner on 74 mins to Donovan.

Were thrashed 5-0 by Uruguay, but that was Uruguay on a good day with Peralta one of the players of the tournament.

Of that NZ side, Christie, Lochead, Mulligan and Pearce later made the All Whites.

None of them were close to the technical ability of Tuiloma and maybe a few other members of the current u-20's like Wynn, Blake, Lewis, Rufer, Ridenton and Stevens.

That was a great game to be at, especially as I played with and against them indivduallly and together that year in various footie camps in the Waikato and Auckland.

Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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almost 11 years ago

I watched them v Qatar on Sunday and it wasn't great ... 

Looked laboured on the ball, touch wasn't as good as it should be  ... the biggest concern though is a lack of dynamism/pace/athleticism.

Tuiloma's a good athlete, not sure what position Bazeley will use him in ... but this is another NZ age-group side where you watch and realise football in NZ still doesn't attract/have the crop of the country's athletic talent.

That's always going to hinder us at international level, even while our players continue to improve technically and tactically.

    

I heard we were poor, but a decent croud of 2.5k (?) turned up, but only ONE toilet open according to me dad.  Good ol Waikato Stadium!!!

Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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almost 11 years ago

I watched them v Qatar on Sunday and it wasn't great ... 

Looked laboured on the ball, touch wasn't as good as it should be  ... the biggest concern though is a lack of dynamism/pace/athleticism.

Tuiloma's a good athlete, not sure what position Bazeley will use him in ... but this is another NZ age-group side where you watch and realise football in NZ still doesn't attract/have the crop of the country's athletic talent.

That's always going to hinder us at international level, even while our players continue to improve technically and tactically.

    

Nailed it.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Chris Chang, TVNZ has tweeted this:

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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No surprises there.

Be interesting to see how Bazeley sets team up in the 2 games left before the real thing. v Honduras on 21st & v Austria on 24th. I'd quite like to see how Blake goes further forward. He seems to like taking players on.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

No Birhanu Taye? So they rather pick local players in some dodgy Wanderers set up instead of a player at a European club? Strange indeed...can't be over 6 foot because the criteria to play isn't it ?

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almost 11 years ago

^ Slovakian 3rd Div. How good is that though?

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Slovakia third teir team....

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almost 11 years ago

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/bazeley-names-u-20s-squad/

Goalkeepers
Damian Hirst – Wanderers SC, NZL
Oliver Sail – Wellington Phoenix, NZL
Nik Tzanev – Brentford FC, ENG

Defenders
Sam Brotherton – Wanderers SC, NZL
Cory Brown – Xavier University USA
Jesse Edge – Vicenza Calcio, ITA
Brock Messenger – Wanderers SC, NZL
Adam Mitchell – Wanderers SC, NZL
Deklan Wynne – Wanderers SC, NZL

Midfielders
Andre de Jong – Wanderers SC, NZL
Moses Dyer – Wanderers SC, NZL
Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi – Wanderers SC, NZL
Clayton Lewis – Wanderers SC, NZL
Matthew Ridenton – Wellington Phoenix, NZL
Bill Tuiloma (capt) – Olympique Marseille, FRA

Forwards
Noah Billingsley – Wanderers SC, NZL
Andrew Blake – Wellington Phoenix, NZL
Stuart Holthusen – Akron University, USA
Monty Patterson – Ipswich Town FC, ENG
Alex Rufer – Wellington Phoenix, NZL
Joel Stevens – Wellington Phoenix, NZL

Management staff

Head coach: Darren Bazeley
Assistant coach: Neil Emblen
Goalkeeper coach: Paul Gothard
Manager: Rod Grove
Physiotherapist: Allan Pearce
Sports Scientist: Andrew Foskett
Doctor: Brendan O’Neill

Group A match schedule

Men’s U-20s v Ukraine
North Harbour Stadium
Saturday 30 May, 1pm

Men’s U-20s v USA
North Harbour Stadium
Tuesday 2 June, 7pm

Men’s U-20s v Myanmar
Wellington Regional Stadium
Friday 5 June, 7pm

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Well good luck to the team anyway, let's hope they play to the best of their ability and really give it a go

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almost 11 years ago

Any big surprise omissions?


Only names that standout are Judd Baker and Zac Speedy

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Any big surprise omissions?


Only names that standout are Judd Baker and Zac Speedy

I don't see them as losses. Baker is quite wasteful and there are better players in his position. Speedy is not even starting for his club side (behind Sasha Nathu) and think that makes some questionable decisions as a keeper.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 11 years ago

Good team - can't wait for the tournament to start  

Cmon you Kiwis

                                                                        COYN    

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almost 11 years ago

Watched them play western Springs last night and was not impressed. Springs took off their better players after half an hour and still managed a 2 all draw!!

U 20's played like robots. No soul or passion and, no one that's wants to play football! they only scored the first goal because the U20 keeper who was playing for Springs mis-hit a clearance direct to an U20 striker!

They should have hammered Springs not be struggling to a draw! What will happen when they play some really good international teams??? And yes it was their full strength team apart from Bill and a goal keeper

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Oh well,that's that then -  we're fudged

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almost 11 years ago

Hopefully over the next two weeks they make some gains, but they really need to keep the ball more and not play so long.

Baker not making it is a little weird for me. Not that I think he is all that great, just he was probably our one striker suited the direct style we have seemingly adopted.

Its all well and good saying we want to play possession, but its another thing to do and nothing in the game I watched made me think it was on the way.

Still some interesting selection headaches.

Sail

Brown Edge Mitchell Wynn

Ridenton Tuiloma Moses

Patterson Rufer Houlthenson

My guess. Moses in there for his atleticism as I believe we will be doing a lot of chasing.

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almost 11 years ago

Watched them play western Springs last night and was not impressed. Springs took off their better players after half an hour and still managed a 2 all draw!!

U 20's played like robots. No soul or passion and, no one that's wants to play football! they only scored the first goal because the U20 keeper who was playing for Springs mis-hit a clearance direct to an U20 striker!

They should have hammered Springs not be struggling to a draw! What will happen when they play some really good international teams??? And yes it was their full strength team apart from Bill and a goal keeper

Yeah if they can't get fired up for a training run against a club side how can we expect them to care about the World Cup!?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 11 years ago

Watched them play western Springs last night and was not impressed. Springs took off their better players after half an hour and still managed a 2 all draw!!

U 20's played like robots. No soul or passion and, no one that's wants to play football! they only scored the first goal because the U20 keeper who was playing for Springs mis-hit a clearance direct to an U20 striker!

They should have hammered Springs not be struggling to a draw! What will happen when they play some really good international teams??? And yes it was their full strength team apart from Bill and a goal keeper

Yeah if they can't get fired up for a training run against a club side how can we expect them to care about the World Cup!?

I sort of agree, but in a training run like that it could be on their mind that  the last thing they need is to get injured.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

Should have used a winky face sorry!

I read nothing into the result of a hitout like that. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 11 years ago

^ Hopefully this

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almost 11 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Hopefully over the next two weeks they make some gains, but they really need to keep the ball more and not play so long.

Baker not making it is a little weird for me. Not that I think he is all that great, just he was probably our one striker suited the direct style we have seemingly adopted.

Its all well and good saying we want to play possession, but its another thing to do and nothing in the game I watched made me think it was on the way.

Still some interesting selection headaches.

Sail

Brown Edge Mitchell Wynn

Ridenton Tuiloma Moses

Patterson Rufer Houlthenson

My guess. Moses in there for his atleticism as I believe we will be doing a lot of chasing.

I reckon Stevens will be at the pointy end with Patterson nearest and Rufer & Ridenton & Tuiloma supplying the bullets (and not blanks, hopefully)

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Watched them play western Springs last night and was not impressed. Springs took off their better players after half an hour and still managed a 2 all draw!!

U 20's played like robots. No soul or passion and, no one that's wants to play football! they only scored the first goal because the U20 keeper who was playing for Springs mis-hit a clearance direct to an U20 striker!

They should have hammered Springs not be struggling to a draw! What will happen when they play some really good international teams??? And yes it was their full strength team apart from Bill and a goal keeper

Yeah if they can't get fired up for a training run against a club side how can we expect them to care about the World Cup!?

I sort of agree, but in a training run like that it could be on their mind that  the last thing they need is to get injured.

Last time a team playing Springs before international competition, a leg was broken. Badly.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

I'm also a little surprised the tall kid from Aussie didn't make the squad.

He came on during the 2nd half in Hams and once he settled looked one of our more comfortable players on the ball. And he's huge!

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almost 11 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I'm also a little surprised the tall kid from Aussie didn't make the squad.

He came on during the 2nd half in Hams and once he settled looked one of our more comfortable players on the ball. And he's huge!

"Squad lists are official only after they have been announced by Fifa on May 21st." - Fifa directive.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I'm also a little surprised the tall kid from Aussie didn't make the squad.

He came on during the 2nd half in Hams and once he settled looked one of our more comfortable players on the ball. And he's huge!

"Squad lists are official only after they have been announced by Fifa on May 21st." - Fifa directive.

MetalLeg I guess you mean Tomi Trbuhovic. Quality player and would have provided some of that athleticism missing as well.

All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies

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Bozz wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I'm also a little surprised the tall kid from Aussie didn't make the squad.

He came on during the 2nd half in Hams and once he settled looked one of our more comfortable players on the ball. And he's huge!

"Squad lists are official only after they have been announced by Fifa on May 21st." - Fifa directive.

MetalLeg I guess you mean Tomi Trbuhovic. Quality player and would have provided some of that athleticism missing as well.

Who does he play for? Should the Nix have a look at him?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 11 years ago

Marconi in Auzzie?

Not sure. But a very big unit and comfortable on the ball. Compared to some of the dribble played in Hams he was a stand out.

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almost 11 years ago

Think maybe it's Luka Prelevic? Plays in Melbourne

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