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New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

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over 10 years ago

james dean wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Sunseeker wrote:

I legal professor( a friend of a friend) who has no links to football looked over the rules, and his response was that they are so poorly written that if challenged would not stand. He also said the intent was not at the scenario of the young immigrant but rather the becoming a citizen later on in age. Having said that, he said if anything this will force FIFA to have them re written as they are as clear as mud( his word)

Well, it's not like they haven't been challenged before - the dispute between IFA and FAI is well documented, and the CAS upheld the FIFA statutes:

http://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/fai-wins-landmark-case-at-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport

That is to say, the CAS had no problems sorting out the meaning and intent of the statutes and certainly did not force FIFA into anything (though FIFA did also encourage the two associations to work out a fairer solution for IFA).

I actually find it quite surprising that there's this perception that the statutes are particularly poorly phrased - when looked in their entirety and overall context, they're pretty straightforward. If you think they're difficult to understand, try understanding Maori land legislation (especially the nineteenth century stuff).

I think when you know what the rules are trying to say you can interpret them relatively simply. 

The biggest problem isn't the written rules I agree - it's what are the unwritten rules that allow players who don't qualify under the rules to become eligible.  That's what complicates it I think

Yeah, that why I think the De Vries case is potentially more interesting. If NZF actually applied for an exemption through FIFA's "black box" process and the answer was no, then that's maybe the case where we should be lawyering up and prepared to take it all the way.

That's assuming a few things though:

1. That NZF actually did apply for an exemption, not just make inquiries

2. That Ryan De Vries has been in NZ long enough and for genuine enough reasons to at least be considered for an exemption

3. That FIFA's advice at the time wasn't along the line of "he hasn't been in your country long enough yet, but come back in a year and we'll grant it no problems". If this was what happened then I have a little more sympathy with NZF in Wynne's case because you can almost see how they found themselves in the seemingly contradictory position of "we don't want to apply for an exemption but still believe he's eligible". That's really speculating though and they probably should have still requested an exemption to be on the safe side.

It seems like there would be a lot of other players around the world who might also be prepared to challenge being declined an exemption but nobody knows how many or who they are because FIFA don't publish their decisions!

However, like JD, I haven't been following this closely enough to know if I've got any of that wrong.

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over 10 years ago

Wibblebutt wrote:

james dean wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Sunseeker wrote:

I get your point, but if its so cut and dried to assist the genuine, why on earth is not a transparent rule bound process that is open and there for all to see?

 

That's a fair question. You'd think if there was a proper exemption process it would be documented somewhere.

It's entirely possible that we're all suffering groupthink here, that the rules are not intended to ping lads like Wynne, that FIFA will see common sense and this will all go away.

I think the fact that the UK has a blanket exemption for players who have had 5 years schooling shows that is what FIFA intended (see the Raheem Stirling example).    I actually still don't see how he could qualify and a NZ kid doesn't so the exemptions has to be straight forward...

In fact, the UK could easily do exactly what the rules are intended to negate and bring kids over for junior schooling and qualify them which to me makes the rules a nonsense

Actually, reading about that in more detail I think Raheem Stirling is in exactly the same situation as Wynne and he is not eligible for England.  I think the home nations agreement only relates to players who are "eligible to represent more than one association on account of their nationality".  He isn't eligible to represent England on account of his nationality therefore the 5 year schooling clause isn't relevant.

Yeah, we discussed this a few pages back - if the FA hadn't applied for an exemption, he is ineligible. But without knowing that they hadn't, it's hard to tell.

I'm sure they relied on the Home Nations ruling and he is not eligible

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

According to NZ Herald, 4 players from 17s qualifying tournament (3 born in UK and one in PNG, allegedly without kiwi ancestry). This is the team that went to qualifying. A different set of players has been used subsequently.

No Chinese sounding names on that list so we should be sweet.

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el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 




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over 10 years ago

As the days drag on it becomes more apparent that NZF have cheated on numerous occassions. Lets face up to it, clean the decks and move on

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over 10 years ago

whatever wrote:

As the days drag on it becomes more apparent that NZF have cheated on numerous occassions. Lets face up to it, clean the decks and move on

What do you propose that 'cleaning the decks and moving on' entail?
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over 10 years ago

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

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el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends. Surely this should be public knowledge in the same way FIFA Statutes are public??




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over 10 years ago

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends.

Yep, it's not a document that's easy to locate, I tried to find it when we had the Raheem Sterling discussion initially and drew a blank.

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el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends.

Yep, it's not a document that's easy to locate, I tried to find it when we had the Raheem Sterling discussion initially and drew a blank.

It also seems to allow the Home Nations to do exactly what the amendment to Article 6 was designed to stop happening. ie a home nation could get a whole bunch of 12-13 year old foreign nationals into their system and send them to school, thus qualifying them to play for said nation. It also blocks anyone changing nationality to a Home Nation from ever playing for them if they move there when they're 14 or over no matter how long they stay in the country for.




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over 10 years ago

whatever wrote:

As the days drag on it becomes more apparent that NZF have cheated on numerous occassions. Lets face up to it, clean the decks and move on

What do you propose that 'cleaning the decks and moving on' entail?

NZF acknowledges that they cheated, put controls in place to minimise it from occurring again and operate with integrity by following the right procedures and rules.

 An inquiry has to be held and if it is found that rules have been deliberately flouted and or there has been negligence then disciplinary action will need to be taken.

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over 10 years ago

At least those in Oz who say that the Nix should be in an NZ Professional League should now realise that this isn't remotely feasible given the quality of our administrators.

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over 10 years ago

Sunseeker wrote:

I still want to hear from FIFA(?) that the rule was intended to catch a kid who moved here at 1 years of age and fits into rule 7. This is the unintended consequence and is not 100% confirmed in any source as the issue. A kid who becomes a citizen at 18 like Wynne or de Vries is clearly in that category, but the lack of clarity and transparency on this rule, its processes and if this category are included, still worries me.

Mate no other country has issues and when they have it has been taken to court and lost.

Just because you don't understand it does not make it incorrect ... also laws often work on how past judgements have been handed down rather than a specific reading of the law...

Given the migrant background of Australia's population especially in Football we have worked with these laws for years. Australia has often had to wait for  FiFA clearance  ... recently  NZF according to media reports also understood FIFA laws and workings...

Its becoming surreal the belief that NZ is being picked on ... and how posters read a FIFA law book and suddenly become experts...

For me all the fuss being made by NZF is an attempt to cover their backsides and blame the corrupt FIFA for their own short comings..

Spota a side issue tis been a while since I posted regularly  on a thread in this forum ... I stopped because I had often criticized NZF administration and this was seen in a different light by many...  However look at the track record over the last 10 years and form your own opinion... for me its time for a Crawford [When Australia closed the NSL and created the FFA] type reform or must be very close to it.

For the love of Mary you are a first world nation with years of membership in FIFA and Australia a phone call away and lots of example and the NZ Herald has indicated you may have up to 16 players .... FFS think of how other nations will feel if you guys are not punished... and think of what these laws were put in place to protect ...

If it is 16 players then I suspect a 2 to 4 year ban from FIFA is on the way and that's what other nations will expect. 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 10 years ago

Yes and possibly another...thats not including those brought in by the new coaching team who (from my local football knowledge in Auckland) are also not born in in NZ and may not have ancestry.

There are going to be many upset boys who's dreams of playing at a WC are being taken away due to this mess. 

terminator_x wrote:

Global Game wrote:

According to NZ Herald, 4 players from 17s qualifying tournament (3 born in UK and one in PNG, allegedly without kiwi ancestry). This is the team that went to qualifying. A different set of players has been used subsequently.

No Chinese sounding names on that list so we should be sweet.

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There have been reviews by a number of bodies after every disaster and they don't fix a thing.  The problem is that it is a grossly underfunded (or negligently funded) body for the size of sport they are expected to run and are often run by people with out any feel for the game or with a feel for their own tiny little world.

All another report would so is recommend a set of changes that would re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic because the circumstances in New Zealand bear absolutely no resemblance to the situation in Australia when Crawford was done.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 10 years ago

COYN

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over 10 years ago

Anyone have an indication on the amount of staff are actually in administrative roles at NZF headquaters in Auckland?

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over 10 years ago

Anyone else think -Fudge the fudgeing fudgeers- when they read this?

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 10 years ago

Hard News wrote:

There have been reviews by a number of bodies after every disaster and they don't fix a thing.  The problem is that it is a grossly underfunded (or negligently funded) body for the size of sport they are expected to run and are often run by people with out any feel for the game or with a feel for their own tiny little world.

All another report would so is recommend a set of changes that would re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic because the circumstances in New Zealand bear absolutely no resemblance to the situation in Australia when Crawford was done.

That's a good nay excellent point ... Crawford recommended government funding as the NSL was also broke and cash poor and had a $ 50.00 surcharge I think on all players to fund them... 

The government coughed up 13 million and thats what kick started the FFA... 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 10 years ago

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Yes and possibly another...thats not including those brought in by the new coaching team who (from my local football knowledge in Auckland) are also not born in in NZ and may not have ancestry.

There are going to be many upset boys who's dreams of playing at a WC are being taken away due to this mess. 

Well, sort of. Nobody is going to be ineligible to play in a world cup because of this, they're just going to be ineligible for NZ. If they can help Papua New Guinea or South Africa to qualify they'll be all good!

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over 10 years ago

Wow, this whole thing is going to end really badly isnt it.

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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

One of the better rants.

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over 10 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

Hard News wrote:

There have been reviews by a number of bodies after every disaster and they don't fix a thing.  The problem is that it is a grossly underfunded (or negligently funded) body for the size of sport they are expected to run and are often run by people with out any feel for the game or with a feel for their own tiny little world.

All another report would so is recommend a set of changes that would re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic because the circumstances in New Zealand bear absolutely no resemblance to the situation in Australia when Crawford was done.

That's a good nay excellent point ... Crawford recommended government funding as the NSL was also broke and cash poor and had a $ 50.00 surcharge I think on all players to fund them... 

The government coughed up 13 million and thats what kick started the FFA... 

I don't know whats in this budget but NZ Football didn't qualify for government funding in the past, despite it being the largest participation sport in NZ. It's mainly funded on subs, sponsorship, and TV money from the intercontinental world cup play off every four years.

There obviously isn't as much money in NZ as in Australia, does Frank Lowry fund football as a philantropic gesture at all?

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over 10 years ago

Fitzy wrote:

Yes and possibly another...thats not including those brought in by the new coaching team who (from my local football knowledge in Auckland) are also not born in in NZ and may not have ancestry.

There are going to be many upset boys who's dreams of playing at a WC are being taken away due to this mess. 

Well, sort of. Nobody is going to be ineligible to play in a world cup because of this, they're just going to be ineligible for NZ. If they can help Papua New Guinea or South Africa to qualify they'll be all good!

I think he is meaning the U17 boys who if this turns out to be accurate will miss the World Cup this year (Probably their only chance at a major world cup) all because some admin staff couldn't be arsed following the rules.

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Ryan wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

Hard News wrote:

There have been reviews by a number of bodies after every disaster and they don't fix a thing.  The problem is that it is a grossly underfunded (or negligently funded) body for the size of sport they are expected to run and are often run by people with out any feel for the game or with a feel for their own tiny little world.

All another report would so is recommend a set of changes that would re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic because the circumstances in New Zealand bear absolutely no resemblance to the situation in Australia when Crawford was done.

That's a good nay excellent point ... Crawford recommended government funding as the NSL was also broke and cash poor and had a $ 50.00 surcharge I think on all players to fund them... 

The government coughed up 13 million and thats what kick started the FFA... 

I don't know whats in this budget but NZ Football didn't qualify for government funding in the past, despite it being the largest participation sport in NZ. It's mainly funded on subs, sponsorship, and TV money from the intercontinental world cup play off every four years.

There obviously isn't as much money in NZ as in Australia, does Frank Lowry fund football as a philantropic gesture at all?

The Govt funding thing is a separate issue, related to the ridiculousness of all 'high performance' sport in NZ getting funding related to chances of a medal at Olympics, or winning their World Championships if that is their premier event. As NZ are NEVER going to win the Olympics or the World Cup that's pretty much the ending of the discussion around funding from SPARC, which is just a joke. In the meantime Rugby will now manage to double dip as they consider them favourites to win their World Cup & the Olympics with 7s in now.

Edit: Other sports screwed by this include Basketball, Triathlon (now) & Swimming (now), not helped by the fact the "big" Olympic sports get more funding, and then better results meaning more funding again (Cycling & Rowing being the big 2)

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over 10 years ago

Basically any sport that people around the world actually play gets screwed. While sports that nobody play get all the funding. It is the most ridiculous system. 

Tomorrow I'm going to invent a new sport, declare myself world champion then apply for SPARC funding. 


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Global Game wrote:

According to NZ Herald, 4 players from 17s qualifying tournament (3 born in UK and one in PNG, allegedly without kiwi ancestry). This is the team that went to qualifying. A different set of players has been used subsequently.

No Chinese sounding names on that list so we should be sweet.

Jones - Welsh, Fa'apoi - Samoan, Singh - Indian, McGarry - Scottish, Mata - Spanish

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Global Game wrote:

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

Well actually there are administrators here in NZ that are quite capable of determining local and international player eligibility plus abiding by FIFA regs in major overseas tournaments plus staying onside with Oceania, CAF, Asian CF, Tom Cobbley et al... 

ACFC have been doing it for years. 

Maybe it's time for Ivan V, Cookie & co. to step up, stage a coup and take over NZF?

#coulddonoworse

#savioursofnzfootball

#3rdbestteamintheworld

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 10 years ago

ohnoes wrote:

Global Game wrote:

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

One of the better rants.

This..LOL

I don't think we can pretend we are the victims here. I also see great irony in NZF criticising Oceania as being a disorganised rabble. If these reports are correct and we are guilty of widespread and systematic abuse of FIFA eligibility regulations then I would expect we will be quite heavily sanctioned.

I don't believe the conspiracy theorists, that we are being targetet  because we voted against Blatter. African states quite regularly get hammered by FIFA for breaking player rules and Africa and Blatter are close buddies.

The bottom line is we appear to be in the wrong. If we have broken the rules....and done it in a widespread way, then we can rightly expect to be punished. Misinterpreting or not understanding laws and regulations is NOT a defense. 

What sort of punishment we will get is completely up for speculation. I suspect we will get a ban for participation in FIFA tournaments across all age groups. Who knows how long that ban would be. But if FIFA are looking at us systematically fielding a large number of ineligible players across multiple tournaments then the sanction could be quite severe.

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over 10 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Global Game wrote:

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

Well actually there are administrators here in NZ that are quite capable of determining local and international player eligibility plus abiding by FIFA regs in major overseas tournaments plus staying onside with Oceania, CAF, Asian CF, Tom Cobbley et al... 

ACFC have been doing it for years. 

Maybe it's time for Ivan V, Cookie & co. to step up, stage a coup and take over NZF?

#coulddonoworse

#savioursofnzfootball

#3rdbestteamintheworld

I notice you wrote 'coup' and not 'bloodless coup'

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over 10 years ago
Apparently tonight is the first time in 139 tests (nov 2004) that the England cricket team will not have fielded a player born in Southern Africa. #eligibility #passporttoplay #icc2runfifa

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

Just sat my son down and gave him the news re: forget about U17 2017

If we don't cop a 2 year ban it will be some sort of miracle. 

"I'm afraid I've got some Baaaaaaad News for you..."

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 10 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Global Game wrote:

When this shark fest clears, with all its collateral damage, I strongly suggest whoever is left in football admin. in this country pull their pants down, bend over and beg FFA to take over the running of the sport in the new Australian state of Bro'land. For all the fudge ups that define the FFA, surely they have got to have their shark together better than us. In this way we can leave Oceania to their own sharkty little pond, become an Aussie state and make the most of what that provides. Rant over.

Well actually there are administrators here in NZ that are quite capable of determining local and international player eligibility plus abiding by FIFA regs in major overseas tournaments plus staying onside with Oceania, CAF, Asian CF, Tom Cobbley et al... 

ACFC have been doing it for years. 

Maybe it's time for Ivan V, Cookie & co. to step up, stage a coup and take over NZF?

#coulddonoworse

#savioursofnzfootball

#3rdbestteamintheworld

I notice you wrote 'coup' and not 'bloodless coup'

There will be blood.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 10 years ago

#Gourdiewatch tonight saying he'd spoken to past NZF staff and a constant that emerged was an attitude of have passport, can play.

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Practice in keeping with the football outpost that we are.

A fan is a fan.

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over 10 years ago

Anyone know the exact details on what Mexico did to cop a two year FIFA ban?

 Please say they did much much worse than  fielding 16 plus ineligible players over multiple FIFA tournaments

We are toast!!!!!!!!

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over 10 years ago
Falsifying documents for overage players.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:
Falsifying documents for overage players.

So fielding ineligible players.

We should be fine then ... oh, wait ...

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

foal30 wrote:

Just sat my son down and gave him the news re: forget about U17 2017

If we don't cop a 2 year ban it will be some sort of miracle. 

"I'm afraid I've got some Baaaaaaad News for you..."

Tell him to keep playing/believin because the world's game is in front of him, however if he wants it. You're the muso right? So you know how it goes.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 10 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Tuipoloa Evan Charlton: "New Zealand Football haven't done themselves any favours by voting against the current powerbrokers, so this is how naïve they are".

As big a clusterfudge as this is can we all just please agree that the above statement is absolute BS.

I don't care if it was politically naive, voting against Blatter is the one thing NZF has done recently that they got absolutely 100% right. It actually made me a teeny bit proud - especially considering the potential consequences.

It's actually contradictory to say that on the one hand NZF stuffed up by not following the rules but then also suggest that part of the solution is to play the type of bullshark political games that FIFA is famous for.

I this'd this, but I think it bears reposting.  Couldn't agree more.

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