Better players in the national league. Too many of these girls are complacent and have proven time after time theyre not good enough. Need a coach that is finally willing to change it up.
Agreed.
For example, Moore. Should've been dropped for a good long while after the own goal incident but no, apparently we have to be nice about thar.
Have we got someone better?
That incident sucked but at least she is playing in the top Scottish league and was in the second tier English comp.
It's not really about what level she plays at though. Three own goals is unacceptable. Even if she was one of the best in the world she should've been dropped.
Oh don't get me wrong. That was fudgeing brutal to watch, but the best player at the time is who we need to play.
Is it her or someone else? Not sure, but one atrocious game doesn't mean you should be not played a year later if you ate the best player available at the time.
True, and I agree that a year out would be too much if she was one of our best, which I don't think she is.
But to play her in the game after showed what kind of managerial chops Klimkova has. None.
Moore was just one example, there's been an absolute reluctance to drop underperforming players. If they consistentl won't play well perhaps it's time to drop them for the "lesser" players that at least might bring some enthusiasm.
So…on the bench we have Mackenzie Barry, who has consistently all season been named one of the top performing Phoenix players, and on the field we have Kate Taylor who….hasn’t. OK
hopefully Taylor has played herself out of the squad. I was reading somewhere this morning about how many solid defensive options we have. Cool.we should have played some of them.
That was the worst performance I've seen from a NZ international side in any sport in decades.
I'm sorry but that was absolute garbage. The players are terrible and i know they won't get better but even a bad bunch of players can at least get into some form of shape in and out of possession...thats on coaches.
Yes it finished 5-0 but it should've easily been double figures! It was a training run for them.
Better players in the national league. Too many of these girls are complacent and have proven time after time theyre not good enough. Need a coach that is finally willing to change it up.
Agreed.
For example, Moore. Should've been dropped for a good long while after the own goal incident but no, apparently we have to be nice about thar.
Have we got someone better?
That incident sucked but at least she is playing in the top Scottish league and was in the second tier English comp.
It's not really about what level she plays at though. Three own goals is unacceptable. Even if she was one of the best in the world she should've been dropped.
Oh don't get me wrong. That was fudgeing brutal to watch, but the best player at the time is who we need to play.
Is it her or someone else? Not sure, but one atrocious game doesn't mean you should be not played a year later if you ate the best player available at the time.
True, and I agree that a year out would be too much if she was one of our best, which I don't think she is.
But to play her in the game after showed what kind of managerial chops Klimkova has. None.
Moore was just one example, there's been an absolute reluctance to drop underperforming players. If they consistentl won't play well perhaps it's time to drop them for the "lesser" players that at least might bring some enthusiasm.
Yea that's fair too. I am hoping that Klimkova has been watching games and determined Moore is our best option based on what she saw.
It's definitely tough when your team sucks. Like could we have been better with some younger players? Or would we have been pumped by 8? It's a guessing game a bit aye.
Better players in the national league. Too many of these girls are complacent and have proven time after time theyre not good enough. Need a coach that is finally willing to change it up.
Agreed.
For example, Moore. Should've been dropped for a good long while after the own goal incident but no, apparently we have to be nice about thar.
Have we got someone better?
That incident sucked but at least she is playing in the top Scottish league and was in the second tier English comp.
It's not really about what level she plays at though. Three own goals is unacceptable. Even if she was one of the best in the world she should've been dropped.
Oh don't get me wrong. That was fudgeing brutal to watch, but the best player at the time is who we need to play.
Is it her or someone else? Not sure, but one atrocious game doesn't mean you should be not played a year later if you ate the best player available at the time.
True, and I agree that a year out would be too much if she was one of our best, which I don't think she is.
But to play her in the game after showed what kind of managerial chops Klimkova has. None.
Moore was just one example, there's been an absolute reluctance to drop underperforming players. If they consistentl won't play well perhaps it's time to drop them for the "lesser" players that at least might bring some enthusiasm.
Yea that's fair too. I am hoping that Klimkova has been watching games and determined Moore is our best option based on what she saw.
It's definitely tough when your team sucks. Like could we have been better with some younger players? Or would we have been pumped by 8? It's a guessing game a bit aye.
Agreed its not an easy one. I'm personally not too worried about the result though, we're getting smashed anyway, I'm more thinking along the lines of sending a message to the senior players.
So…on the bench we have Mackenzie Barry, who has consistently all season been named one of the top performing Phoenix players, and on the field we have Kate Taylor who….hasn’t. OK
If I was Barry,Clegg Neville, Foster or a few other fringe players ,I'd pull up injured for a while. Should definitely make the final squad after a few more drummings.
What happened to the national girls that were involved in the USA games? 100% they couldnt do any worse than what was put on show here tonight. All because you have a pro contract it doesnt automatically make you a better player.
Usually weigh in on this kinda thing but actually can't be fudgeed this time. So tired of the rubbish served up by this team. This result was coming - hopefully a wakeup call.
I think the commentary said 150 days to World Cup. At least there’s time still to implement the lessons from tonight. The autopsy report would read: make sure we don’t play 3 at the back again, coz it’s way too easy for their wingers to have a mountain of space and pick who they want to cross the ball to. Naylor should have done better for the first goal and come out to challenge the cross, and when receiving back passes just clear it with her left foot instead of trying to use her right foot all the time. How our best centre back- Bowen started at left centre back, while Taylor who has hardly played all season unlike Barry who has been immense for the Nix was shouldered with the responsibility of leading the backline wtf? Then when Anton comes on Bowen moves up to left wing- where Chance has been our most effective attacker for the last couple of years? Would have been better to have Chance on the wing and Bowen holding mid and then be able to push Hasset forwards- where she has looked much better for the Nix, she’s not a holding mid. Not sure why Bunge was subbed off? She was pretty good in possession and shielding the ball well. Rennie scored with the only chance she had. Our press is not very well synched if only 2 players press against their gk and back 4 playing the ball out that’s hopeless and a lot of wasted running for nothing. Often the other players joining the press didn’t read the likely path of the ball and as it is traveling 30-50m across the pitch only start to move when it is 5m away from the receiver which gives them too much space to control and play the ball out of pressure easily. I don’t think pressing suits Wilkinson. A bit like asking Andy Carroll to press. But maybe Foster to Wilkinson corners could be a goer? I think the biggest problems tonight were that they played 3-5-2 and the 3 should have had Bowen in the middle with Anton Left and Bunge right. Riley can stay as left wing at a pinch, I read Chance prefers centre mid? But probably better to play a back 4 with Riley behind Chance. Bott was great tonight, if we had played with a back 4 she wouldn’t have had to cover so much of the pitch tracking back. Jale had been in some great form, so not sure why she didn’t start. Steinmetz and Cleverly are about on par for me, but maybe neither of them start if we can get Percival and Stott back 100% fit. I’m doubtful that Longo will make the squad unfortunately. I hope we play with a back 4 in the next game. Having 5 in the midfield didn’t really help us tonight. We played better in the 5-0 against the us team of all stars. Hopefully the players confidence isn’t dented too much. When it’s that obvious it’s not working change formation and go back to what worked ok in the last game. The coach has to wear this result and take the blame for the players. Next game I would like to see this team- Jale Chance Hasset Indiah Paige-Riley Steinmetz Cleverly Riley Bunge Bowen Bott Sheaf
Nothing is to be learned by playing Wilkinson, Naylor, Satchell, Rennie again that we haven’t already seen. They could still come on and be impactful if needed. Would be good to see Neville come on at Right back and Bott move maybe into centre mid in the second half for Steinmetz and Foster on for Riley and Barry on for Bunge. Maybe Sheaf half a game with Edwards? Then in the last game against Argentina play our strongest players. It’s hard to know if the squad players can step up if they don’t get a chance against tier 2 nations and the coach is too scared to try newbies for more than 5-10 minutes against the states etc when the game is well gone and they are lucky to get 2 touches of the ball during their time on the pitch.
This is going to be a grim world cup, a la the White Ferns in 2021. Nzf has done a terrible job of building up a solid team who knows each other and play well. Too busy doing TikTok dances and trying to monopolise on players followings.
I think the commentary said 150 days to World Cup. At least there’s time still to implement the lessons from tonight. The autopsy report would read: make sure we don’t play 3 at the back again, coz it’s way too easy for their wingers to have a mountain of space and pick who they want to cross the ball to. Naylor should have done better for the first goal and come out to challenge the cross, and when receiving back passes just clear it with her left foot instead of trying to use her right foot all the time. How our best centre back- Bowen started at left centre back, while Taylor who has hardly played all season unlike Barry who has been immense for the Nix was shouldered with the responsibility of leading the backline wtf? Then when Anton comes on Bowen moves up to left wing- where Chance has been our most effective attacker for the last couple of years? Would have been better to have Chance on the wing and Bowen holding mid and then be able to push Hasset forwards- where she has looked much better for the Nix, she’s not a holding mid. Not sure why Bunge was subbed off? She was pretty good in possession and shielding the ball well. Rennie scored with the only chance she had. Our press is not very well synched if only 2 players press against their gk and back 4 playing the ball out that’s hopeless and a lot of wasted running for nothing. Often the other players joining the press didn’t read the likely path of the ball and as it is traveling 30-50m across the pitch only start to move when it is 5m away from the receiver which gives them too much space to control and play the ball out of pressure easily. I don’t think pressing suits Wilkinson. A bit like asking Andy Carroll to press. But maybe Foster to Wilkinson corners could be a goer? I think the biggest problems tonight were that they played 3-5-2 and the 3 should have had Bowen in the middle with Anton Left and Bunge right. Riley can stay as left wing at a pinch, I read Chance prefers centre mid? But probably better to play a back 4 with Riley behind Chance. Bott was great tonight, if we had played with a back 4 she wouldn’t have had to cover so much of the pitch tracking back. Jale had been in some great form, so not sure why she didn’t start. Steinmetz and Cleverly are about on par for me, but maybe neither of them start if we can get Percival and Stott back 100% fit. I’m doubtful that Longo will make the squad unfortunately. I hope we play with a back 4 in the next game. Having 5 in the midfield didn’t really help us tonight. We played better in the 5-0 against the us team of all stars. Hopefully the players confidence isn’t dented too much. When it’s that obvious it’s not working change formation and go back to what worked ok in the last game. The coach has to wear this result and take the blame for the players. Next game I would like to see this team- Jale Chance Hasset Indiah Paige-Riley Steinmetz Cleverly Riley Bunge Bowen Bott Sheaf
Nothing is to be learned by playing Wilkinson, Naylor, Satchell, Rennie again that we haven’t already seen. They could still come on and be impactful if needed. Would be good to see Neville come on at Right back and Bott move maybe into centre mid in the second half for Steinmetz and Foster on for Riley and Barry on for Bunge. Maybe Sheaf half a game with Edwards? Then in the last game against Argentina play our strongest players. It’s hard to know if the squad players can step up if they don’t get a chance against tier 2 nations and the coach is too scared to try newbies for more than 5-10 minutes against the states etc when the game is well gone and they are lucky to get 2 touches of the ball during their time on the pitch.
Agree about CJ Bott - the only player on the pitch that hit a par performance for us. The rest, totally dire.
I think the commentary said 150 days to World Cup. At least there’s time still to implement the lessons from tonight. The autopsy report would read: make sure we don’t play 3 at the back again, coz it’s way too easy for their wingers to have a mountain of space and pick who they want to cross the ball to. Naylor should have done better for the first goal and come out to challenge the cross, and when receiving back passes just clear it with her left foot instead of trying to use her right foot all the time. How our best centre back- Bowen started at left centre back, while Taylor who has hardly played all season unlike Barry who has been immense for the Nix was shouldered with the responsibility of leading the backline wtf? Then when Anton comes on Bowen moves up to left wing- where Chance has been our most effective attacker for the last couple of years? Would have been better to have Chance on the wing and Bowen holding mid and then be able to push Hasset forwards- where she has looked much better for the Nix, she’s not a holding mid. Not sure why Bunge was subbed off? She was pretty good in possession and shielding the ball well. Rennie scored with the only chance she had. Our press is not very well synched if only 2 players press against their gk and back 4 playing the ball out that’s hopeless and a lot of wasted running for nothing. Often the other players joining the press didn’t read the likely path of the ball and as it is traveling 30-50m across the pitch only start to move when it is 5m away from the receiver which gives them too much space to control and play the ball out of pressure easily. I don’t think pressing suits Wilkinson. A bit like asking Andy Carroll to press. But maybe Foster to Wilkinson corners could be a goer? I think the biggest problems tonight were that they played 3-5-2 and the 3 should have had Bowen in the middle with Anton Left and Bunge right. Riley can stay as left wing at a pinch, I read Chance prefers centre mid? But probably better to play a back 4 with Riley behind Chance. Bott was great tonight, if we had played with a back 4 she wouldn’t have had to cover so much of the pitch tracking back. Jale had been in some great form, so not sure why she didn’t start. Steinmetz and Cleverly are about on par for me, but maybe neither of them start if we can get Percival and Stott back 100% fit. I’m doubtful that Longo will make the squad unfortunately. I hope we play with a back 4 in the next game. Having 5 in the midfield didn’t really help us tonight. We played better in the 5-0 against the us team of all stars. Hopefully the players confidence isn’t dented too much. When it’s that obvious it’s not working change formation and go back to what worked ok in the last game. The coach has to wear this result and take the blame for the players. Next game I would like to see this team- Jale Chance Hasset Indiah Paige-Riley Steinmetz Cleverly Riley Bunge Bowen Bott Sheaf
Nothing is to be learned by playing Wilkinson, Naylor, Satchell, Rennie again that we haven’t already seen. They could still come on and be impactful if needed. Would be good to see Neville come on at Right back and Bott move maybe into centre mid in the second half for Steinmetz and Foster on for Riley and Barry on for Bunge. Maybe Sheaf half a game with Edwards? Then in the last game against Argentina play our strongest players. It’s hard to know if the squad players can step up if they don’t get a chance against tier 2 nations and the coach is too scared to try newbies for more than 5-10 minutes against the states etc when the game is well gone and they are lucky to get 2 touches of the ball during their time on the pitch.
Agree about CJ Bott - the only player on the pitch that hit a par performance for us. The rest, totally dire.
yeah, bott stood out. not easy in a team without cohesion
Only seen the highlights so can't really comment on the game. But the result against a team supposedly only 2 FIFA spots ahead of us, at home, with near to a full strength side is truly awful.
What happens next against Argentina is absolutely crucial, for saving the WWC campaign. Sure the older brigade haven't done much the last 10 years, but they are better than this. They better be getting the hair dryer tretament inside that dressing room post game. You just wonder if ever smiley Klimkova is that sort of coach. You can't just disregard a limp display like that. You have to read the riot act.
If the 2 Argy games are similarily limp, then to me she has lost the dressing room and yes should go. Sure Esson, Leat, Percival & Stott coming in will help. But I think it's more a case of sticking with this group (there really ain't any players out there better), and if they ain't any large improvement you sack Klimokova (even if it costs NZF a few hundred grand as a payout). Then bring in some hard edged operator (Tom Sermanni again?) for some hair dryer treatment in need - plus pick the players in their best positions. Some of Klimkova's positional selections have been odd for a long time.
Think result also shows that naturally the Ferns from small NZ are going to fall down the rankings, as traditional football powerhouses like Portugal take the women's game more seriously. Argentina will be another test of that theory. But regardless you still show some fight, otherwise this home WC will be a disaster.
And to think before the game the Ferns were openly saying (in a very un NZ way) how they were going to beat Portugal. Maybe their coach stuck those comments on their dressing room wall.
yeah, that 'we're going to beat portugal' was embarrassing even before the game started
i'm a bit reluctant to say this because i have not watched the team live, but the team seems to be lacking spirit (before this reult) and the coaching staff look to have no 'vibe' about them.
it seems an overhaul is necessary. at the least, NZF need to be asking some serious questions to the coach; 'can you improve this situation', 'what is your plan', 'what do you need from us' etc
Bring back Paul Temple! He had his u17 team playing a much more structured way and the team were all on the same page. How often do we have our players overlapping on the wings or overloading their full backs? Maybe we would be better to try and become a counter attacking team rather than a team that sometimes presses but struggles to keep possession?
Some prediction of how the ferns will do against Argentina based on Argentina's performance against Chile would be nice. I did see some of Chile vs Argentina, and the Argies were quite physical.
yeah, that 'we're going to beat portugal' was embarrassing even before the game started
i'm a bit reluctant to say this because i have not watched the team live, but the team seems to be lacking spirit (before this reult) and the coaching staff look to have no 'vibe' about them.
it seems an overhaul is necessary. at the least, NZF need to be asking some serious questions to the coach; 'can you improve this situation', 'what is your plan', 'what do you need from us' etc
I didn't see any of that "we're going to beat portugal" but have seen several comments about it - someone got a link?
yeah, that 'we're going to beat portugal' was embarrassing even before the game started
i'm a bit reluctant to say this because i have not watched the team live, but the team seems to be lacking spirit (before this reult) and the coaching staff look to have no 'vibe' about them.
it seems an overhaul is necessary. at the least, NZF need to be asking some serious questions to the coach; 'can you improve this situation', 'what is your plan', 'what do you need from us' etc
I didn't see any of that "we're going to beat portugal" but have seen several comments about it - someone got a link?
I wonder, even if Klimkova were to be sacked would there be enough time to bring in another coach with a distinct style? I'm thinking we may actually need some brexit football at this point and I really do take no joy in saying that. I can't see this lot being turned into a cohesive unit before the World Cup.
Something needs to be done though. If we show up to a home world cup and play like that it'll be a national disgrace. It's not always about winning, but losing with some grit would be nice at least. Toothless shark.
I wonder, even if Klimkova were to be sacked would there be enough time to bring in another coach with a distinct style? I'm thinking we may actually need some brexit football at this point and I really do take no joy in saying that. I can't see this lot being turned into a cohesive unit before the World Cup.
Something needs to be done though. If we show up to a home world cup and play like that it'll be a national disgrace. It's not always about winning, but losing with some grit would be nice at least. Toothless shark.
Tom Sermanni as a short term option for the April window and the Womens World Cup wouldn't be a bad shout. Let's be realistic and say that good coaches will hardly be jumping at the chance to coach us. He might be happy to take over a short-term deal while WSW are in off-season.
Big wake up call for this team. Time for them to get serious about what lays ahead if they don't want to embarrass the football community here at the WWC. Less party atmosphere more hard yakka needs to be shown by this team now.
Everyone cried foul when Andreas said the players weren't technically good enough. Those birds have come home to roost. So we got in Tom to cheer everyone up and the party began! We got what we wanted, so enjoy the party. You can't have it both ways.
Bring back Paul Temple! He had his u17 team playing a much more structured way and the team were all on the same page. How often do we have our players overlapping on the wings or overloading their full backs? Maybe we would be better to try and become a counter attacking team rather than a team that sometimes presses but struggles to keep possession?
But they have to have a woman coach these days,there is big pressure for that.
I wonder, even if Klimkova were to be sacked would there be enough time to bring in another coach with a distinct style? I'm thinking we may actually need some brexit football at this point and I really do take no joy in saying that. I can't see this lot being turned into a cohesive unit before the World Cup.
Something needs to be done though. If we show up to a home world cup and play like that it'll be a national disgrace. It's not always about winning, but losing with some grit would be nice at least. Toothless shark.
Tom Sermanni as a short term option for the April window and the Womens World Cup wouldn't be a bad shout. Let's be realistic and say that good coaches will hardly be jumping at the chance to coach us. He might be happy to take over a short-term deal while WSW are in off-season.
I get the impression that Klimkova would have the USA losing 5-0 if she was in charge of them. She looks out of her depth coaching in senior international football. NZF should see how the Ferns go against Argentina and then make a decision. More debacles like the Portugal game and she should go. Klimokova was almost entirely a youth coach before taking the Ferns: Managerial career 2004–2011 | Slovácko (Czech women's league) 2009–2010 | Czech Republic U-19 2011–2013 | Canberra United 2013–2014 | New Zealand U-17 2015–2017 | United States U-19 2017–2019 | United States U-20 2019–2021 | Internationals SC (youth academy not attached to any pro club)
A lot of youth coaches around the world in men's and women's football don't make the step up successfully to being good senior coaches. She would be better off going back to youth coaching and sticking to that or coaching a club side.
Meanwhile, i think that there would be a number of coaches around the world attracted to the chance of coaching a team hosting a World Cup - maybe a successful club coach looking to step up to international football or someone with international coaching experience looking for a new opportunity. A competent NZ male coach could also be an option (no female coaches here seem to fit the bill). A few clubs appointed new coaches months out from the men's world cup in Qatar and did really well (Poland's new manager was appointed two months before their play-off qualifiaction win vs. Sweden and took them to the knock-out stage in Qatar; Morocco's new coach was appointed two months out from the finals with legendary results). The problem with attracting good candidates for both the Fens and All Whites jobs is that we probably don't pay much compared to other countries. The All Whites coach I'd say would probably be on the sort of money (or less) a smaller UEFA nation would pay (Malta, Latvia, Estonia) what to speak of the no doubt even smaller money for the women's role.
Everyone cried foul when Andreas said the players weren't technically good enough. Those birds have come home to roost. So we got in Tom to cheer everyone up and the party began! We got what we wanted, so enjoy the party. You can't have it both ways.
The problem with Andreas was the way he articulated his thoughts.
