NZ v Fiji called off by FIFA
It's Winston and immigration, not Mallard and sport isn't it ?
I would have thought so, can't blame Mallard for everything.
Winnie on the other hand....
Now where is that Heineken bottle?
Winston is Foreign Affairs Minister - he's the one who is in charge
of those sanctions.
David 'silent T' Cunliffe - is Minister of Immigration
David 'silent T' Cunliffe - is Minister of Immigration
I just wana go to parliament and start sing who are ya!!!!!!
let's form a possie!
Blame Winston. Apparently a prominent member of a AKL rugby
club. There we go.
Seatter on radio sport after 4pm and Winston on after 5pm.
Bollocks. Utter bollocks. I have followed this all week that keeper
has minimal contact whatsoever with the Fijian military it's an
absolute disgrace.
Darcy just said he feels sorry for the footballers. Seatter's
on at 4.10 and Winston at 5.10. Interested in listening to those
two.
FIFA could go further with this and that's what i'm more
worried about than anything.
FIFA could go further with this and that's what i'm more worried
about than anything.
FIFA play games with how many countries politics ?
NZ stand up for a nation that is democratically just wrong and they pull the plug ?
Maybe if we were controlled by an oppressive Junta but promised them 100's of millions in TV rights they would let us do whatever we wanted.
lets start a chanting hikoi down LQuay, and then chain
ourselved to the Backbencher bar until Winnie changes his mind.
Feverish2007-10-12 15:03:47
I'll be there about 21:40, mine is a Speights.
I'm so f**king ropable that I almost hope we get kicked out of
qualification. That'll teach Winston trying to f**k with
FIFA. Let's go down in a sea of flames together.
Stevo2007-10-12 15:06:57
I just wana go to parliament and start sing who are ya!!!!!!
Brilliant idea - I'm keen
Frankie Mac2007-10-12 15:06:53
Here is the detail of the sanctions that were imposed against Fiji
in December of last year:
Note my highlighted bits - nothing about a partner whose dad is in the military and also the bit about working with sporting organisations
High level Contacts:
Immigration Matters:
Defence Matters:
Sporting Matters:
What a shambles.
HeySeus2007-10-12 15:08:41
Note my highlighted bits - nothing about a partner whose dad is in the military and also the bit about working with sporting organisations
High level Contacts:
- Ministerial contact with any purported new government in Fiji will not take place, unless it is for dialogue and mediation purposes.
- Members of any purported new Fijian government will not be permitted to travel to New Zealand.
Immigration Matters:
- The ban announced yesterday on senior RFMF officers and their families travelling to New Zealand will be extended to include all members of the RFMF and other individuals connected with the coup.
- Fiji�s participation in the new Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme will be frozen with immediate effect. That means Fiji will be excluded from this scheme which is designed to help Pacific Island Forum members gain better access to seasonal work opportunities in New Zealand.
- No applications from Fijians for entry to New Zealand for seasonal work will be accepted from today.
- The eligibility of Fiji�s citizens to take part in future immigration ballots under the Pacific Access Quota has been suspended. In accordance with New Zealand law, this will not affect those who have been selected from previous ballots and have already been invited to apply for residence by 11 January 2007.
Defence Matters:
- Today all RFMF personnel currently in New Zealand studying, training or exercising are being told that they and their accompanying family members must make arrangements to leave New Zealand forthwith.
- Fijian military officers currently training with the New Zealand military will not be able to participate in any activities associated with that training, with immediate effect, pending their departure from New Zealand.
Sporting Matters:
- Fijian sports teams and Fijian sportspeople at all levels will be banned from coming to New Zealand for the purposes of sport, unless international sporting and legal obligations require otherwise. As provided for in arrangements after the 2000 coup, where New Zealand is hosting an international sports tournament which requires acceptance of international participants, entry will not be banned, subject to those concerned meeting other immigration requirements.
- Discussions will be held with New Zealand sporting organisations scheduled to attend international tournaments in Fiji. The organisers of such tournaments (such as the 2007 Netball World Cup) will be approached to assess the safety of participants and the scope for seeking alternative venues.
What a shambles.
HeySeus2007-10-12 15:08:41
I'll be there about 21:40, mine is a Speights.
I'll be hammered by then, and prob will be brawling with
Winnie
This is horrible, truly f**king embarassing.
terminator_x2007-10-12 15:17:51
If this had been a truly principled decision by NZ not to
issue a visa it should not have mattered what FIFA's
position was or is. Winston Peter's bleating about a FIFA u-turn
shows that it does matter, however, and the Ministry of Immigration
and/or Foreign Affairs simply mis-calculated the risk of FIFA
stepping in. They wanted to have their cake and eat it by making a
political point while still having the game go ahead.
Why on earth didn't they think that Fiji would complain to
FIFA and that there was at least a chance FIFA would do something
about it? From FIFA's point of view it would have set a hell of a
precedent to condone this sort of thing. Can you imagine the future
chaos as countries go into important World Cup matches picking and
choosing which opposition players they will let in to their
country? FIFA was never ever gonna let that one lie.
So now we look like a bunch of muppets and our World Cup
chances get dealt a hefty blow. First match away from home and f**k
knows where our "home" game will end up (unless the
NZ Government decide to further embarass themselves by now
backing down. That would show a complete lack of principles but at
least we'd get a home game!).
Does anyone know a good anger management therapist?
FIFA could go further with this and that's what i'm more worried
about than anything.
FIFA play games with how many countries politics ?
NZ stand up for a nation that is democratically just wrong and they pull the plug ?
Maybe if we were controlled by an oppressive Junta but promised them 100's of millions in TV rights they would let us do whatever we wanted.
FIFA are probably right though. Otherwise countries
could try and manipulate results by applying dodgy immigration
policies. Now we might say that could old Kiwiland wouldn't
do that, by what if the game was Lebanon v Syria, or North Korea v
Japan, or India v Pakistan, or any other match between unfriendly
neighbours playing political games. FIFA doesn't judge
politics and we have to abide by those rules. If we think
that is unacceptable and want to take a stand we need to face the
consequences.
Isn't Posh's Father a Fijian?
FIFA apparently asked the Government again but were denied.
FIFA apparently asked the Government again but were denied.
I want to cry.
NZ Govt thought they were bigger than FIFA, but they are not..
How bizzare we have a two mile long
chinese warship parked in the harbour today but a goalie is banned
from coming because his country is non democratic and run by
a dictator ,double standards me thinks!!
The Chinese Naval Band was playing in Civic Square at lunchtime - very good - bit disconcerting wer e the casually dressed people of 'asian' appearance taking pictures of the crowd (all 20 of us - 60% asian)
Thats cause your the only Falun Gong Hibby on the planet!they are out to get you!!
It is crazy though! how can they be serious about supporting democracy by picking on a goalie from a tiny sth pacific island and not letting him in cause his fiances father is in Bannana Dramas army and then allowing a ship into Wellington harbour that could fit the whole off the NZ armed forces into its on deck berly bin and that comes from a place that is less than well known for its free speech is ridiculous ,what hypocrites !!
Kiwi Jambo2007-10-12 15:37:00
Haha, Winston thinks he can just give FIFA a call and have a chat
with Sepp Blatter.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=125755
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=125755
Haha, Winston thinks he can just give FIFA a call and have a chat
with Sepp Blatter.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=125755
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=125755
unavailable.. No wonder, its bloody 4am in Europe
One Word
Shambles.
I know where my vote is going next year .....
Seatter is right, what's gonna happen to the Women's U 17 World Cup
in NZ next year, if the Government can pick and choose
players.
Apparently they've already spent $200k on the match and there
will be no revenue.
Seatter expressed concern about the consequences of the decision, which was "potentially dire" for the sport in New Zealand.
He said NZF had costs of more than $200,000 associated with the fixture, most of which had been incurred, and there would no revenue from it.
A bigger worry was the precedent relating to New Zealand's ability to host international matches.
"It is a scary prospect that may play out in the future," he said.
"Of most concern is our hosting position for next year's under-17 women's World Cup."
NZ Govt thought they were bigger than FIFA, but they are
not..
They should give up before they totally lose credibility. Such
a trivial issue is going to do more harm then good.
FIFA are probably right though. Otherwise countries
could try and manipulate results by applying dodgy immigration
policies. Now we might say that could old Kiwiland wouldn't
do that, by what if the game was Lebanon v Syria, or North Korea v
Japan, or India v Pakistan, or any other match between unfriendly
neighbours playing political games.
Of course, you are correct.
Don't forget that Libya were one of the bidders of the 2010
World Cup finals. They were disqualifed by FIFA because a condition
of Libya hosting the World Cup was that Israel would not be allowed
to participate! Not a single player - a whole country!
I just wana go to parliament and start sing who are ya!!!!!!
Brilliant idea - I'm keen
lets do it, would be a starter
Sepp blatter bloody goes on all the time about how football and
politics should not be mixed. Look what he's just done... If it
were more than just a goalkeeper being refused a visa then it'd be
understandable. I dont blame the NZ govt-they set the restrictions
and therefore have to stick to them otherwise they are pretty much
worthless (and it would set a bad precedent). The blame lies with
the Fijian football association-it is childish and disgusting that
they would do this after players like Killen have risked their
places in their respective club teams to make this fixture and NZF
have spent 200G on the match.
I'd like to see some repercussions for Fiji. And NZ govt to
continue to force the matter with fifa-they must learn to respect
countries international policies.
sport and politics don't mix i can't stress that enough
"Future father-in-law"
Regardless of your feelings about Fiji's political situation
that has to be the most spurious application of the sanctions
possible.
Winston and his minions need to swallow their pride quickly
and admit that their inept handling of this issue has done far more
serious damage to NZ than it has to Fiji. There is simply no point
in continuing with their current stance.
I can't belive this. Not only do we lose $200K but what about
the impact it will have on Fiji. I must be correct in
guessing they are not the worlds richest team as it is. The
decision makes no sence. Its also embarrising that
Winstone Peters thinks he can just pick up the phone and talk to
Sepp Batter. I'm not sure if he realises he is arguabbly the worlds
most influential man. It just show the lack of Knowledge and
arigince of Winstone. So so embarrising. I also
feel for Mr Seater now as he has a hell of a job on his hands
cleaning this up. Again I'm so sad.
Don't blame Fiji. They shouldn't have to bend over for these
hypocrites.
Hopefully NZ Soccer get some good financial compensation from the
loser patrol (NZgovt)
I can't belive this. Not only do we lose $200K but what about
the impact it will have on Fiji.
Um they are the ones that appealed to fifa and caused
this..
Sepp blatter bloody goes on all the time about how football and
politics should not be mixed. Look what he's just done... If it
were more than just a goalkeeper being refused a visa then it'd be
understandable. I dont blame the NZ govt-they set the restrictions
and therefore have to stick to them otherwise they are pretty much
worthless (and it would set a bad precedent). The blame lies with
the Fijian football association-it is childish and disgusting that
they would do this after players like Killen have risked their
places in their respective club teams to make this fixture and NZF
have spent 200G on the match.
I'd like to see some repercussions for Fiji. And NZ govt to
continue to force the matter with fifa-they must learn to respect
countries international policies.
It is FIFA who have the hard and fast rule - which gives them
credibility.
NZ Govt on the other hand...is this interpretation of
the sanctions consistent with application in relation to other
visiting Fijian sports teams recently????? I DONT THINK SO
he wasnt even married - something Winnie fails to
mention!!!
Don't blame Fiji. They shouldn't have to bend over for these
hypocrites.
NO doubt Bananarama is behind this... (not the band , the PM)