Nz vs Nth Korea U17

Nz vs Nth Korea U17

Last chance for the boys to gain some respectability.

Haha i agree lets just get a goal!

3-1 loss

My money is on a win

5-0 Korea, I think they will have too much speed and technical ability.

Its only $1

Let's just try not to concede in the first 3 minutes...or concede twice in the first 7...you know, baby steps, and all that

Really disappointing, we seem to have throw the baby out with the bathwater. NZ teams have traditionally competed on heart and committement.  Obviously we have to lift our skill levels but if that�s the only thing we are going to try to compete on then we aren�t going anywhere. I watched the U 20�s before they left and they impressed with their fitness and conditioning and I think that showed at the World Cup, sadly can�t say the same so far for U17�s. It�s not just the body though but the mind as well.

 

The worry is that we don�t sit just below these teams there are probably in the region of a 1000 kids in England for example between us and the top side, and its no doubt more in Brazil. In both games we have been 2 down within first 8 mins, game over. There is probably always going to be a gap in skill but we should at least be competitive by drawing on these other qualities. Anyway here�s hoping that at least we are competitive in last game if we lose we lose but let�s put up a fight.

 

spot on alexf Da Selekta2007-08-22 12:11:02

I wonder if the selection policy if different at the U-17 level compared to the U-20s, most of the guys in the U-20s would be playing NZFC or overseas, so we would pretty much have the best guys available playing for us, I wonder if this is the case at U-17 level when most of the guys are still at college, I heard which college you go to has a big part in selection for the NZ teams at U-15, U-16 level, and I have to question given the poor performances whether the guys playing for the U-17 are the best we have or are they there by virtue of going to the right school and knowing the right people.

3-3. Lets hope.

Unfortunately, that's how football works for U17's. It's about who you know. I have no doubt that better players missed out because of this.

Thats Nz football in total. Its all about who u knw. Just look at our secondary school side. Not one Coll player should have made it yet 2 did. Silverstream dudes should have. Costa and George babarouses never got picked from jaque vercauteran when they were at St Pats Town yet they were the best in Wellington but its because Jaque hated Olympic. So agian teams are not chosen on talent. Even still George should have made Nz under 20s...Hard News2007-08-22 21:42:01

Ye wel leave it at that i dnt want to start up sht but ye nz footballs a digrace selection whys big time which reflects out performance on the pitch. But hey where a rugby country and that will never change so we cant expect much from our players. They just arent good enough.

2-1 loss for us.

in regards to the selections of the team, yes, there probably are others who should have been there, but arent...its always the case.


the secondary schools tournament week is coming up and i bet there will be some highly skilled kids there IN THAT SETTING. lets not forget countries like england have clubs signing and developing the best and brightest from a very young age.

Back to basics, marking the player you're supposed to and stick to the bugger like superglue!!!! Of course it helps if you have the right conditioning and fitness and determination and all that stuff. 

How is selection for NZ age group teams made? Teza2007-08-23 10:58:57

I think the development should go back to playing for your province in a rep team format to begin with...Northland, Auckland, North Harbour, Waikato etc from their you get selected for your federation side and then after that its National honours. The NZFC teams having a youth tournament for a week or something at the end of the year might be an option...give the players a chance to play at a decent level and get in the eye of the coaches, to hopefully get signed in a year or 2. When it comes down to whoever has the deepest pockets gets to play situation like it is now thats when we start losing talented players. 

It's not just about who you know, it's also about how much dough your parents have. It costs real money to have your kid do well at sport in this country. I know from experience, having had three kids compete at the elite level, although in a different sport. Trips around the country to tournaments, coaching fees, trips overseas when you make the top rep teams, are all paid for by the parents. There is NO money in lower level sport.

Well said gings. The fact is 99.9999% of players here are amateur and will always be so.  Selection is a difficult process and as you said we will always have different opinions but I do agree picking players because they are my mate or from my club/ region isn't a good thing.

Alex Fergusson said "its impossible to say whether a player will make it before they reach the age of at least 17 because they just haven't matured both physically or mentally before that point" so we should be encouraging as wide a group of players for as long as we can in as appropriate a setting as possible.

Good points Teza and chiefy,  I would like to see the old traditional provinces play each other in a tournament.  This would be a good way to get all the best young players together, so the coaches could get a look at them playing at a higher level.  I'm not in favour of "its who you know" as a criteria for choosing our best youth players, or which school you go to, for that matter.  Or how deep your parents pockets are!  Selection should be talent based only. 

Teza,
the program you are talking about was the IPDP. How it worked was that there were weekly coaching sessions. these cost money. That way NZ Soccer could pay the coaches. it was an attempt by the then director of football Paul Smalley to put in place a more structured system. The beauty of this system was that rep coaches could be involved with all those players who had rep aspirations on a weekly basis. This meant that instead of relying on a trial match to gauge a players ability, coaches could get a better idea over a 20 week period. This was better because a player might have an off day or be injured or sick at trial time and slip through the system. Also these weekly training IPDP sessions were skills based. The tactical and team work could be done once rep teams were selected.

The down side of this system was the fact people objected to having to pay for it. There was also a feeling in some quarters that NZ Soccer was using this as a revenue gathering tool to fund other projects such as internationals etc.

What it did do was giving upcoming coaches a chance to earn back some money from the outlay of attending the new coaching courses. I for example have probably spent the best part of $4000 on coaching courses over the last 8 years. The other thing was it gave coaches involved a sense of being part of a more structured and professional approach to coaching.

Personally i thought it was the best thing to hit NZ footy in decades but due to a variety of problems it got canned. Most of the issues were things which could have been worked through. Sadly we threw out a promising system with flaws rather than fix the flaws.

Some of the perceptions of how the IPDP worked were wrong and it could have been explained and marketed better. It might have had a chance.

Initially the idea was that you had to be part of it to play for NZ selections but that idea was quickly thrown out the door. Also there was funding available to those who's parents could not afford the coaching sessions but again this wasnt promoted enough.

It was open to any player who wanted to take part or felt they were good enough. Some parents thought that if their kids took part it meant they were in the reps. The approach that should have been taken by parents or explained to parents was that these sessions were skill based and would be of benefit to players whether or not they made rep sides.

I am a rep coach this season and we have rep trials coming up in a few weeks. From those trials we will select a training squad which will be big enough for three teams. After a number of weeks that squad will be broken up into the three teams with the top two teams being sent to the National Identification tournament in Napier. Age group NZ teams will be selected from a mixture of what the coaches see at the Napier tournaments and also from what they have seen during the season.

BTW,
the rep side I am coaching this season consists of players that i have never coached before. I dont know any of them. However I have little doubt at some point I will be accused of picking a player because they are a mates kid or their parents have deep pockets.

i think this is the one were gunna win, nothing 2 lose and showing that brazil put 6 past them gives us hope considering we cud/shud have scored a few against them!

that was a good read stack.  thanks for providing clarity on the IPDP courses.  i had only ever heard bad things re: user pays and the resultant expectations

I agree stack and utd07 often the gripes are because its their mate/ son who missed out. Sometimes (even in these forums) some go on about player who weren't even eligible/ available for the team in the first place.

i think some of it has to come down to the coach. having watched the u20s train @ ole, they worked on things like "hunting in packs" and the "where to be when the ball is here" kinda stuff....yet the u17s were just doing games games games, go out n' play kinda stuff. It starts at the top. Not saying Tuaa is a bad coach, not at all coz ive heard some wonderful things about the man - but maybe the approach has been wrong from the get go......who knows.

At the end of the day they are young lads and will learn from it.

Another point how many from the U17s in Egypt have gone onto "Big" things?

Mike Wilson played a bit in the league below the MLS, stellar career @ Stanford
Jamie Cross.....top referee (tui ad hahahaha love ya Jamie!)
Shaun Easthope.....did some playing in Aussie in a State League I believe
Rodney Mays.....resident Lower Hutt axeman, trialled at Boro evidently
Daniel Aliaga, now playing his trade at Island Bay so im told

Anyone else know where the rest ended up?

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Stack, thanks for the rundown on the scheme.

My mate Greg Williams got a soccer scholarship in the US. Got his marketing degree paid for. Stuffed his knees up and stopped playing football.

Mitesh Krishna is overweight and playing social soccer in Auckland.  Chris Root was with Uni Mount last time they had a team.  Marc Foote playes part time for a social team in the Hawkes Bay and I think Peter Hendriks plays for Mt Albert Ponsonby. 

CAPTAIN ONE OF FOUR CASUALTIES FOR NORTH KOREA -->

NZF/August 24, 2007

ULSAN - Captain Costa Barbarouses heads the casualty list in one of four changes coach Colin Tuaa has made to his starting XI for New Zealand�s final group phase match at the FIFA U-17 Men�s World Cup in South Korea.

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Not a silly idea having Costa on the bench.

yeah, hopefully some one else will take the chance to shine, and Costa will get some time on the pitch with a bit less pressure on him.

0-0 at half time.

costa now on the pitch replacing Wood  - here's hoping he can strut his stuff