http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
No need to go whether other coaches are there or not.
Hardly a snub to FIFA if they are well aware he has a club game (his full time job) on the same day as the draw.
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Oska - Tards game is the 4th, FIFA draw is on the 5th. Bring back Concorde! Lend him a Skyhawk
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I thought the main reason to go was to try and get good games from other countries in the build up to the cup. Not havng the coach there could make that difficult.
A tidbit related to this thread was that Ricki said the AWs should have a full-time coach. Something from a 'shopping list' for the extra cash NZF have. If they do that, he'd have to choose. Strikes me as odd though - what would a full-time coach do when the squad is not formed (which must be 95% of the year)? Perhaps I misheard the comment, but I don't think so.
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Why do we need a fulltime coach to play 5 or 6 games a year?
Have NZF not heard of a telephone?
I think Rcki needs to do the job he's paid for first - and that's the Phoenix
Normo's coming home
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I'd prefer to see him stay. I just hope that wise heads prevail and this doesn't turn into some stupid, and public, tug of war, whatever the final decision. Both Terry and Ricki have been unfailingly professional, calm and gentlemanly since the founding of the Phoenix, so I'm confident that they'll come to an amicable agreement.
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As has been stated by a few - to arrange pre-tournament friendlies. him and some of the other NZF guys went to Germany for the 2006 draw for that reason even though we hadn't qualified - and that yielded the game against Brazil as well as a few others before that.
that said, not sure if he needs to go personally as has also been said.
as for the comments about Ricky having two jobs - my feeling is that he has done a good jobl to get us where we are and if it aint broke don't fix it, but beyond the world cup and looking forward, maybe then it should be revisited? any thoughts? i think with unlimited funds a national coach could do quite a lot in between the 4 or 5 games a year, but that of course is not the case (the unlimited funds i mean).
another potential conflict is the march 3 friendly window - if we were offered something in europe, it might mean our UK players could play, but Ricki might be reluctant to take all the phoenix players when they potentially have a playoff game the following weekend.
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I just think when half of the team come from one club - which is likely to be the case for the next wee while as all of the Phoenix guys should be around for the next campaign - why do you need a full time coach unless he's going to coach the youth teams as well?
That March 3 window is very frustrating. The A-League schedule is actually terrible - for one that window isn't reflected well in the draw plus the season finishes ages before the World Cup
james dean2009-11-18 04:41:45Normo's coming home
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Why do we need a fulltime coach to play 5 or 6 games a year?
Have NZF not heard of a telephone?
I think Rcki needs to do the job he's paid for first - and that's the Phoenix
He's paid to do both.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I just think when half of the team come from one club - which is likely to be the case for the next wee while as all of the Phoenix guys should be around for the next campaign - why do you need a full time coach unless he's going to coach the youth teams as well?
That March 3 window is very frustrating. The A-League schedule is actually terrible - for one that window isn't reflected well in the draw plus the season finishes ages before the World Cup
This.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Why do we need a fulltime coach to play 5 or 6 games a year?
Have NZF not heard of a telephone?
I think Rcki needs to do the job he's paid for first - and that's the Phoenix
He's paid to do both.
Some could say that he's done the job with the All Whites and now we bl*dy need him to do the same with the 'Nix. That would be a better way to promote the game than a photo opp. Probably.
Isn't he going to Saffa next year and didn't he go earlier this year?
harsh...but want to see the 'Nix kick on with some consistency, and tight midfield play.
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I just think when half of the team come from one club - which is likely to be the case for the next wee while as all of the Phoenix guys should be around for the next campaign - why do you need a full time coach unless he's going to coach the youth teams as well?
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That March 3 window is very frustrating.� The A-League schedule is actually terrible - for one that window isn't reflected well in the draw plus the season finishes ages before the World Cup
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A full-time coach is not just a team trainer which essential what a number of part-time club coaches in this country are. Where do you see the first team club coach being more interact with the whole club structure in NZ other than working with the 2nd team for his reserves on the odd occasions?
Does he look over what the parent coaches are doing in their training sessions and look to improve the coaching and even planning their weekly training or take a few sessions himself? Not many coaches have that time. But a full-time paid club coach can do these things and more.
In a national set up, we want a coach that interacts with the club coaches and the development coaches and ensure that everything is maximised for the high performance and to improve and align the structure to maximise the better football output that eventually produce the players that he feels will be aligned to the playing structure and style of the national team or the present and in the future.
We want a closely integrated system where the national team coach calls the shots and produce a blueprint for football pathway in this country. A coach that interacts with the NZFC coaches and with the regional federations academy systems. The national teams full-time coach should be involved with the U17s right though to the national team in development. Better structural alignment with the National senior men's coach over looking what he needs to grow and develop the game.
When Kinnsman was coaching Germany, he completely change the whole football system to allow the best development of players as well as the best training and preparation of his player before the WC tournament. And that was because clubs had to agree with him according to their association contracts. Getting high performance centre with common structures in alignment with the national team needs is important for the national team as well as for the players development.
Many countries have this going on and some even produce a set of achievement standards of skills that the players need to achieve in the youth system. A skill assessment and development for development players. This is the only way to produce very technically skill players for the future.
A full-time coach will see that something will be made towards this system. If we look at what Pim is doing over in Australia and how useful that is starting to work out, then we have to do something similar. People may argue that PIm is using aspects of the KNVB systems for Australia, I would not have a problem if we are told to do something similar to that and use 4-3-3 as a starting formation point for youth coaching before moving on. But I am sure that we can make use of best of many aspects around the world. This is where a full-time coach can research material and share material with other countries along with getting some friendly matches sorted.
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The KNVB system is to lump it long and high to Josh Kennedy and then pray Cahill get's you out of the crap with a wonder finish ?
Interesting.
Interesting.
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The KNVB system is to lump it long and high to Josh Kennedy and then pray Cahill get's you out of the crap with a wonder finish ?Interesting.
Thats more tactical play against the smaller asians players in the AFC which Pim knows is quick and simple and easy enough to do against weak AFC teams. We will see a different team strategy in the World Cup finals because that will not work and Pim is keeping things close to his chest.
If you watch their game against Holland, it was a different team strategy. You will find that any strategy leading up to the qualification will change for the World Cup finals because the team development and the training are sorted out but a slight change of system and working out peak training performance from here on. Due to the more preparation time just before the tournament and the development matches working towards to their known group opponents, we will have a team approach in the Socceroos. The same should happen to us hopefully.
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Ah yes, the strategy against Holland, hold on for dear life... then try and lump it long to Josh Kennedy and then pray Cahill get's you out of the crap with a wonder finish.
Even Holland don't play to any stereotypical KNVB training mantra anymore.
Even Holland don't play to any stereotypical KNVB training mantra anymore.
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Commentary from Fred Woodcock in today' dompost (pg D4) - not on stuff - thinks Herbert should concentrate on the Nix.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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I came into this thread thinking Ricki should stay in NZ for the draw, but having read the posts I think AWB has persuaded me otherwse.
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I'll be interested to see what happens in April and May. For me the A-league players should be palying 3 - 4 friendlies during that time against some average opposition ( say top 40 -60), South American tour of non-qualifying teams, perhaps (depending on our group).
Just because the European players are unavailable there is no reason for Ricki not to set the other lads to work. Unless of course you are of the opinion that playing without the likes of Killen, Fallon, and Nelsen, will cause problems with cohesion when they do return to the squad in late May ( oh, i guess I've just contradicted myself, again!).
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I'll be interested to see what happens in April and May. For me the A-league players should be palying�3 - 4�friendlies during that time against some average opposition ( say top 40 -60), South American tour of non-qualifying teams, perhaps (depending on our group).�
Do you think we have enough A-league/NZFC based players to do something like this?
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Paston
Siggy Vicelich
Scott Lochhead
Brown McGlinchey
Bertos Brockie
Smeltz Costa
Are the MLS players available? Oughton, Elliot and Boyens can also slot nicely into that lineup, as can Moss, LOLigan, Barron, Christie etc.
You know we belong together...
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Are the MLS players available? Oughton, Elliot and Boyens can also slot nicely into that lineup, as can Moss, LOLigan, Barron, Christie etc.
It'll be the middle of the MLS season, no way to get them if we're talking games outside of FIFA windows.
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I'll be interested to see what happens in April and May. For me the A-league players should be palying 3 - 4 friendlies during that time against some average opposition ( say top 40 -60), South American tour of non-qualifying teams, perhaps (depending on our group).
Do you think we have enough A-league/NZFC based players to do something like this?
Yes, i think it could be done, certainly we have the funds, though any bench would be a little thin on talent. However Ricki has already alluded to some of the U20 and U17 squad players - so taking a select few of those would be great experience, could even be a bolter for S.A. NZF needs to take a fresh perspective. For years such a trip would have been impractical from a financial perspective. I think a 2 week tour in Mid-late April would be excellent for the A-league, NZ league lads.
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It would certainly solve the problem we'll have in that much of squad won't have played much football between the end of A-league and the start of the World Cup. NZF will really need to find some sort of solution for that.
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Tell FIFA that Ricki's got the flu and send Brian Turner. Ricki can wear a scarf and some makeup on his nose at the Melbourne (?) match.
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Why exactly does he need to go?
Good for international PR if the coach is there.
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RH definitely not going to SA for the draw. About to be confirmed on Radio Sport at 3pm.
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Ahk, though I wasn't overly fussed I think that is the best option.
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http://radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=166702
All Whites coach Ricki Herbert will not be at the Football World Cup draw because of a Phoenix game the day prior
All Whites coach Ricki Herbert will not be attending the World Cup draw in South Africa next month.
The draw will take place on the morning of Saturday December 5 New Zealand time, but the Wellington Phoenix have an A-League game against Melbourne in Wellington on Friday, December 4.
Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata says he and owner Terry Serepisos discussed the matter with Herbert and they have reached an agreement for him to stay in Wellington.
Pignata says Herbert understands what is required of him.
All Whites coach Ricki Herbert will not be attending the World Cup draw in South Africa next month.
The draw will take place on the morning of Saturday December 5 New Zealand time, but the Wellington Phoenix have an A-League game against Melbourne in Wellington on Friday, December 4.
Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata says he and owner Terry Serepisos discussed the matter with Herbert and they have reached an agreement for him to stay in Wellington.
Pignata says Herbert understands what is required of him.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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BT better pick us up some fantastic friendlies.
You know we belong together...
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BT is a charismatic guy, i'm sure he'll get the job done! (pre-emptive sack BT if we draw Spain, Frace and Ivory Coast)
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BT is a charismatic guy, i'm sure he'll get the job done!� (pre-emptive sack BT if we draw Spain, Frace and Ivory Coast)
I'm gonna be pedantic again...both Spain and France will be seeded, so we can't get both of them.
Pedant hat off now.
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Keep hearing conflicting things about France and seeding, but your almost certainly right, so throw in Portugal instead of France for the sake of El Grap's hat 

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Surprised by this one, really thought Ricki would go. But at least they have a made a decision now and we can move on with it.
All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!
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Thank you for that.
And to alleviate the confusion, France will definitely be seeded.
And to alleviate the confusion, France will definitely be seeded.
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I heard France would be seeded as a 2nd team. And that would make sense on their current qualifying form.
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There's no 2nd seeds at the World Cup - only top seeds, and the rest are determined on geographical basis.
And France will be seeded, it's a calculation based on more factors than just very recent form.
And France will be seeded, it's a calculation based on more factors than just very recent form.
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I don't agree with that decision to be honest.
Dont want to go burning bridges before we've even made them. Its not like ricki would miss THAT much at the wpx anyway.
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It's not without precedent - remember Kevin Fallon went to the draw in 82 instead of Adshead.
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
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It's not without precedent - remember Kevin Fallon went to the draw in 82 instead of Adshead.
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
agreed but in footballing terms 1982 was a very different landscape
Salmon swim upstream
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It's not without precedent - remember Kevin Fallon went to the draw in 82 instead of Adshead.
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
Heck, send Adshead to 2010 draw with Brian Turner, could be a classy gesture?
agreed but in footballing terms 1982 was a very different landscape
and in landscaping terms-lulz
Salmon swim upstream
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Don't agree with it. It's a possibly (hopefully not) once in a lifetime thing for Ricki.
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