Possible AWs Starting XI Thread

Possible AWs Starting XI Thread

  Marius Lacatus2010-03-24 16:01:49

verging on spam here Mr Argentina. please post only in the one thread from now on.

oks mate what do you think about it ?

OK, As i posted in another thread in the wrong forum (fail on my part) ...

i agree he is better down the middle, not really a winger. under the 3-4-3 he could easily slot in behind the two strikers with brown and eillott behind him, and with one of the three strikers moving out.

yes but against this dull teams like slovakia or slovenia, austria, that they play a strong 4-4-2 ,  if  you put  a   linker  between defence and  midfield  lines,    that hole will get a  lot of freedom for  lefty  mc glinchey

Can moss now play in all WC games if chosen? Has his appeal been sucessfull?  He did play in the Mexican game

Nope, Mossy was suspended from four matches, this doesn't include friendlies.  Herbert could have played someone else, but clearly didn't want to conceed too much in trying with this game (think about how long he kept the best players on for), so he started Moss ahead of Bannatyne - or was it Spoonley.  Recalling Paston was injured of course. 

I know Fallon's meant to be the new Mesiah after The Goal vs Bahrain but frankly, if he's not good enough for Plymouth Argyle then surely he's not good enough for New Zealand. Agree?

well, i am not convinced fallon should start, but then i think its a tough call. if we arent gonna pick him on the basis of him "not being good enough for plymouth", then remember smith isnt good enough for Ipswich, Elliott not good enough for san jose, mcglinchey's not good enough for Motherwell and sigmund's not good enough for the phoenix (based on recent selection). and different players perform different roles for different teams and selection is often a very fickle thing and based on all sorts of considerations. he did well against bahrain and pretty well against mexico.

No Fallon for me either,

                       Paston
               Nelsen    Vicelich
  Reid                                   Smith
                        Elliott
              Brown          Mac

       Bertos                       Smeltz
                         Killen

res.
Spoonley
Lochhead
Oughton
Fallon
Wood

In recent AWs games Wood had two impressive non awarded goals, Killen had the side volley shot to the crossbar, Fallon had a bicycle shot off the bar, I think McGlinchey/Brown/Bertos had a diving save stop and Brown missed like 5 or 8 headers in the box, while Smeltz had nothing in shots at goal nor the opportunity to shoot save one pathetic shot.

So besides the winning header by Fallon on 14th Nov. We hadn't improved the conditions of ball service from midfield which gets that pass to a strikers run onto space between and behind the defenders, which counts of a majority of goals during game time.

Brown doesn't deliver balls like that in the middle only to the wings, Elliot is limited when he is in the defensive midfield role, Smeltz is hold the ball up for no-one, Bertos does the solo act half the time in isolation on the wing and McGlinchey hasn't had much match time. But when McGlinchey gets 20 minutes match time, he finds Wood both times for the non-goals, delivers cross balls to Bertos/Fallon/Killen all of which got shots near the goal. McGlinchey had came on for Elliot and Brown switches into Elliot's Defensive Midfield role a bit more during that 20 minutes.

The only time we look good was when McGlinchey is on. He can pass the ball to the forwards feet. I hope we do get back to a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 when we can be more composed now that we have Reid on board. 3-4-3 can be exciting but lives too dangerously at this level and requires a higher fitness and skill level to maintain consistency. 4-3-3 looks to a stronger option to pressure the opponent's back 4 and plays to our best players on the field. 4-4-2 is a strong midfielders game and we may not have that strength in the 4 midfield. So we do need those warm up games to test a few ideas.

I can't select for the Solvenia game either.

Tough calls for the Aussie game. There may be some sentimental selection with Smeltz. As a coach you sometimes have to make the tough call and try someone else to exercise some forward combos and it includes taking the best player off for a while.

I would like to test the following lineups

4-4-2 (defensive)

                             Paston/ Moss

                      Nelsen           Vicelich
Reid                                                            Smith

Bertos           Elliot              Brown          McGlinchey

                      Wood             Smeltz

4-3-3 (Attacking) with three substitutions at half time.
                     
                          Paston/ Moss

                      Nelsen           Vicelich
Reid                                                            Smith

       Wood              Elliot                 Bertos
          
                           McGlinchey
                  Fallon                 Killen   


Reid and Smith does need to be seen in a 4 defence backline before doing any extra positions like wing back or defensive midfielder. Save that for another game.

Wood need to be seen in the right midfield/wing role that he has been able to do in some of his WBA games. Place Bertos on the left as his opposite midfield/wing. Reduce Bertos role as striker but more as winger/midfield in the formation.

It was either Smeltz and Wood forward combo or the McGlinchey backing a double options in Fallon and Killen. Fallon and Killen will take the physical load off McGlinchey to give him more room/freedom in the hole. But Smeltz and Wood combo will see a different set of skill.

I maintain an experienced spine in the team with Nelsen, Vicelich and Elliot in the middle. With Brown as the next experienced supporting midfielder alongside them.

I look for the youth and speed that Reid, Smith, Wood, Bertos and McGlinchey offers around the experienced Nelsen, Vicelich and Elliot in the centre of the team. The experienced players will have to own those spaces in the middle with the younger players working with them in the starting of the team possession. The young players should be able to link up and pass the ball to the forwards.

The counterattack should be swift enough and I would count on McGlinchey/Bertos/Wood/Elliot delivering the final ball cleanly. This should be the key to allow the forwards to shot on the goal. McGlinchey/Bertos/Wood plus Smeltz (depends on the role) have the individual dribbling skills and suitable pass skills to make the link to the other forwards and give them space to work. Even Reid or Smith may be able to show they can cross and support as well on attack.AllWhitebelievr2010-03-25 01:39:13

                                   

... and a pretty good diving finish against Mexico which was unfortunately offside. I wonder whether the fact that Rory now has an image of "arrogant asshole" is biasing some commentators here against him.

Also, Brockie must surely be unlikely.

my consultation with Reid's club fans  (and they rate him very highly) has informed me he is first, foremost and almost always a centre back, whose strengths are as a defender. Strong, very good in the air etc. They didnt think it was a good idea for NZ to use Reid at RB. obviously, take whatever you read on a foreign forum with a grain of salt, but i think we are taking much for granted believing he is a solution at RB or an option in the midfield. Of course, it doesnt mean he couldnt do an adequate job at RB i necessary, but seems pretty clear it is not where he plays best or very often.

I'd put money on him being alot better than any other options we have for RB.

this

For the 23 I would have

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuno_Miguel_Prata_Coelho Surely someone needs to get on the phone to him. An ACM is one of the two biggest weak points in the current team.

 

I still question the accuracy of the info regarding Nuno really

Still he has not represented his country since 2007. If there is the slightest chance, it should be followed up on by Ricky and Co.

If what that forum says about Reid is correct, it seems even more rediculous that Oughton doesn't seem to be getting a go. I'd play Duncan on the right, Reid and Nelsen in the middle and either Smith or Lochhead on the left.

My money is on East Timor snapping him up first!

Nuno Miguel Prata Coelho
Not to be confused with Nuno Andre Coelho. Nuno Miguel Prata Coelho (born November 23, 1987 in Covilha) is a Portuguese football er who currently plays with Academica de Coimbra on loan.
Toffeeman2010-03-27 22:32:43

btw - for an "attacking" midfielder, he has scored 1 senior goal in over 100 appearances (and that was for Porto B, so not even sure if it counts) - Nuno that is. still looks kiwi to me though Marius Lacatus2010-03-27 22:41:02

Hell, the guy's more Kiwi than me and no one would complain about my eligibility (ability maybe).

Maybe the Nix should invite him for a trial. I hear that they are looking for an attacking midfielder. We could have him as a loan to give him game time or maybe he wishes to explore that NZ bloodline of his. . . . This way, we could have a decent look at him.

If he's good enough (which he possibly is) then we want him for the World Cup. The World Cup is a HUGE carrot.

Think we should keep playing the 3-5-3 Combo because it seems to have been successful so far. So what i would go with is
       
                                        Mark Paston

           Winston Reid      Ryan Nelsen      Tommy Smith

                           Simon Elliot           Tim Brown

   Leo Bertos                   Michael McGlinchey       Jeremy Brockie

                                                                Shane Smeltz

                                             Chris Killen

I feel sorry for guys like Siggy and Lochy but from what I have heard of Winston Reid he seems a better prospect.




MoneyBill2010-04-10 17:05:05

I like that formation. but would swap Smith with Vicelich. possibly swap Brockie for Oughton. smittyz112010-04-10 17:26:02

Oughten wont get picked... He hasn't had a look in for a while now so can not see that changing.

How on earth are people still calling for James to be played ?

He hasn't played a competitive match in 18 months and before that was playing in Finland which is hardly world cup level football.