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Should Trump's USA still be a World Cup host?

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08 Jan 13:24
Coochie mate, love your stuff and you obviously know more about Sth America than us but Dolores has a point. Trump and his cronies have ZERO interest in the welfare of Venezulans. Rubio is there just to try and polish the turd.
The USA will deal with any murdering scum bag who allows them to have the oil. They have said they will control Venezula oil indefinitely. Trump does deals. He doesnt care if there is democracy or not as long as the US is in control.
08 Jan 13:43 · edited 08 Jan 13:52 · History
Trump loves doing a deal. It's in his DNA. I mean he's supporting the new leader in Syria, who previously was basically aligned with IS. I seriously doubt any US leader would have done that so quickly, but again it's probably the best thing to do, to stabilise Syria and end that miserable civil war. I visited Syria in 1998. My favourite spot in that Middle East trip, much nicer people than say the Egyptians and you actually did see some kids & women out and about (if covered) 

This Maduro capture was such an outrageous success he's even more emboldened to say whatever the fudge pops into his brain.

Rubio has said the US has no plans to invade Greenland. But for sure they want the Danes to give them unfettered access for planting as many American spy stations and military bases as they can on that large block of ice.

It's in the Western Hemisphere and Trumpy wants to tell the Chinese and Ruskies to fudge off, you are just not welcome around here. 

Don T also clearly wants to undermine the remaining left leaning regimes in Latin America. He will use the narco trafficking in Colombia and Mexico to pressure both govts there. To be honest the vicious narcos do de facto rule some of Mexico's more poor rural states like Sinola. Sheinbaum will be getting some heat from Washington to fight the narcos. I see Pedro is on his way to DC for a visit. Interesting. Trump called him a 'sick man' this week.

I visited very pretty Oaxaca in Sth Mexico a few years back. There is a virtual permanent tent city in the CBD of landless indigenous peasants who fled to Oaxaca years ago. Their nearby rural land stolen by violent narcos, and the govt/police too weak or corrupt to do anything about it.

Trump could be right about Cuba. Without Venezuelan oil and CIA meddling it, could just be inhouse regime change there. 

Basically listen more to Rubio than his boss, and give the situation in Venezuela some time.
08 Jan 19:51 · edited 08 Jan 19:52 · History
 
Doloras
I can't believe this, it's like I'm talking to a brick wall. What makes you think Trump has any interest in bringing democracy. He out and out admits it's all about stealing oil. He wants the current regime in power, just under his thumb. He is ghosting Machado because she wouldn't freaking him give him her Peace Prize. You are imputing motives which aren't there. He's telling you his agenda and you're in a dreamworld imagining something else is going to happen.

People say socialists are unrealistic, but you Rightists who keep thinking any day now Trump is going to stop being a psychopath and start standing up for liberal values are crazy. You're just as bad as the Russia-glazers who make up any excuse for Russia invading Ukraine and just ignore what Putin says outright.

Also: ICE are murdering innocent people on the streets of Minneapolis. Total boycott.
As usual, John Steward shows how blatant it is.
08 Jan 23:10 · edited 08 Jan 23:38 · History
"Damning video of that shooting in Minny. That ICE agent should be up on murder charges."

Especially as the woman killed was not the illegal immigrant they were looking for, just some new resident who got freaked out by masked men pointing guns at her!

Queenslander 3x a year.

09 Jan 00:16 · edited 09 Jan 00:49 · History
Trump knows he can have as many bases in Greenland as he wants from his NATO friend Denmark. That’s a given already. He just needs to ask and the Danes will allow that.

The security angle is all a side show as Americans love that line.

He wants the minerals. End of story. A few extra military bases telling people to fudge off, these are mine is just part of the package.

Loads of rare earth minerals there which are notoriously difficult to extract without fudgeing up the land and environment. He doesn’t want to rely on China, Ukraine or anyone else for those. He wants full control of his supply.

Perfect place to extract and really fudge the land up good with hardly anyone there to watch what’s going on and a massive land area.

As the Arctic continues to melt with climate change fuelled by his new supply of crude he also has the added advantage of both new sea passages developing and these minerals being even easier to extract.

It’s a win win for him, his family and his rich mates.

The losers in the future is any country which is weaker than another as this becomes the new international way of doing things and superpowers start owning their back yard.

And the environment becomes preety fudgeed as well for the next generation.

coochiee
Trump loves doing a deal. It's in his DNA. I mean he's supporting the new leader in Syria, who previously was basically aligned with IS. I seriously doubt any US leader would have done that so quickly, but again it's probably the best thing to do, to stabilise Syria and end that miserable civil war. I visited Syria in 1998. My favourite spot in that Middle East trip, much nicer people than say the Egyptians and you actually did see some kids & women out and about (if covered) 

This Maduro capture was such an outrageous success he's even more emboldened to say whatever the fudge pops into his brain.

Rubio has said the US has no plans to invade Greenland. But for sure they want the Danes to give them unfettered access for planting as many American spy stations and military bases as they can on that large block of ice.

It's in the Western Hemisphere and Trumpy wants to tell the Chinese and Ruskies to fudge off, you are just not welcome around here. 

Don T also clearly wants to undermine the remaining left leaning regimes in Latin America. He will use the narco trafficking in Colombia and Mexico to pressure both govts there. To be honest the vicious narcos do de facto rule some of Mexico's more poor rural states like Sinola. Sheinbaum will be getting some heat from Washington to fight the narcos. I see Pedro is on his way to DC for a visit. Interesting. Trump called him a 'sick man' this week.

I visited very pretty Oaxaca in Sth Mexico a few years back. There is a virtual permanent tent city in the CBD of landless indigenous peasants who fled to Oaxaca years ago. Their nearby rural land stolen by violent narcos, and the govt/police too weak or corrupt to do anything about it.

Trump could be right about Cuba. Without Venezuelan oil and CIA meddling it, could just be inhouse regime change there. 

Basically listen more to Rubio than his boss, and give the situation in Venezuela some time.

Auckland will rise once more

14 Jan 02:30
USA grabs Greenland and European teams should just play a Euro tournament, they could organize that super quick, open to join form other countries, they have the infrastructure. A Peace Football Festival.
14 Jan 08:31
Trump has now banned fans from Senegal and Ivory coast from attending the WC. This is in addition to the ban on fans from Iran and Haiti.
According to the ruling the only people who can attend the WC from  these countries are those that have residency in the USA or already have an entry Visa.
Infantino said last year that there would be no restrictions for fans entering the USA...lying bastard
21 Jan 05:24
austin111
Trump has now banned fans from Senegal and Ivory coast from attending the WC. This is in addition to the ban on fans from Iran and Haiti.
According to the ruling the only people who can attend the WC from  these countries are those that have residency in the USA or already have an entry Visa.
Infantino said last year that there would be no restrictions for fans entering the USA...lying bastard

Why?
21 Jan 07:18
Ok, so let’s say that Trump sends a few ships up there in a couple of weeks time, relocates 5k odd troops and says that Greenland is now ours.

Unlikely that Denmark or Europe will fight him for it.

But expect everything else to kick off economically.

Majority of European teams boycott the World Cup.

Do we?

Auckland will rise once more

21 Jan 09:09
Article five means that there is a heck of a fight, likely world war 3
21 Jan 09:15
I don’t think it includes if one of the member attacks another does it?

Auckland will rise once more

21 Jan 18:20
Trump doesnt really want to "take" Greenland by force he'd rather buy it.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360927920/trump-davos-speech-says-he-wont-use-force-acquire-gree
but we all know he's the expert at forcing someone to sell!
NATO would be fudgeed if US invades Greenland(Denmark) - Europe would be forced to respond. I dnt think an economic response would impact Trump, he's always been a nationalist and would be happy for the US to go it alone, particularly if he had Greenland's resources to plunder. 

If Europe were to boycott the event, then we'd have to due to our connection with the UK, I magine the likes of Canada and Australia would follow suit. 
Part of me says we should still go cos it would be the best chance of getting out of our group and pocketing some of FIFA's money.

Queenslander 3x a year.

21 Jan 18:26
Nothing would surprise me on what he might do.

Yes, a rational person would think he would never invade but I don’t think he is rational - especially in his last term.



Auckland will rise once more

21 Jan 19:12
I'd imagine Mr Trump has his team working feverishly on a way to find someway that this last term is elongated or he can run again in 2028.

Queenslander 3x a year.

21 Jan 19:48
AucklandPhoenix
Ok, so let’s say that Trump sends a few ships up there in a couple of weeks time, relocates 5k odd troops and says that Greenland is now ours.

Unlikely that Denmark or Europe will fight him for it.

But expect everything else to kick off economically.

Majority of European teams boycott the World Cup.

Do we?
I don't think it's unlikely that the EU are going to fight. They're hopping mad about this. People thought Britain wouldn't fight for the Falklands either.

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21 Jan 19:54
Argentina and US are very different prospects though.
US is easily the most heavily armed military and led by a madman!

Queenslander 3x a year.

21 Jan 19:56
theprof
I'd imagine Mr Trump has his team working feverishly on a way to find someway that this last term is elongated or he can run again in 2028.
He won't live that long. His brains are pudding as it stands.

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21 Jan 21:34 · edited 21 Jan 21:34 · History
Yep no way in hell, Europe would have the guts for that.

Highly debatable if Russia ever took one of the Baltic countries on their doorstep like Estonia, if they would act either.

Poland more likely, 
theprof
Argentina and US are very different prospects though.
US is easily the most heavily armed military and led by a madman!

Auckland will rise once more

21 Jan 21:38
Greenland to Trump is just a giant real estate deal. Reluctant seller up against highly motivated buyer.

NATO the agent of sorts.

DT is saying some truly outrageous stuff, but hey that’s his modus operandi 

No one yet knows how the final deal will look, but some sort of deal will be struck. 
21 Jan 21:54
Even if Trump talks his way into a deal. I dont see the people of Greenland just throwing their hands in the air and accepting it. Its not the most hospitable cliamate if they decide to play hard ball.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

21 Jan 22:31 · edited 21 Jan 22:33 · History
The best case scenario for Trump is to work with Greenland & Denmark about a deal allow some airbase/s to be constructed there. this idea of taking over the country through money or force is just pipe dream stuff. 

However, with the way Russia are going with their mad man in charge, it might be in Greenland's best interests to seek support from the USA rather than those limp wristed finger waggers call The United Nations. Whale Sharks have more teeth than those clowns.

So the USA negotiate with Greenland/Denmark to form some form of coalition like NATO would be the best and most logical, rational thing to happen.
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21 Jan 23:02
LG
The best case scenario for Trump is to work with Greenland & Denmark about a deal allow some airbase/s to be constructed there. this idea of taking over the country through money or force is just pipe dream stuff. 

However, with the way Russia are going with their mad man in charge, it might be in Greenland's best interests to seek support from the USA rather than those limp wristed finger waggers call The United Nations. Whale Sharks have more teeth than those clowns.

So the USA negotiate with Greenland/Denmark to form some form of coalition like NATO would be the best and most logical, rational thing to happen.

The deal for the US to build more bases on Greenland already exists, to add to the curtrent one base it only requires Denmark approval but the ability to do so exists in the current treaty.

Queenslander 3x a year.

21 Jan 23:32
Military bases doesn’t equal oil drilling rights. 


21 Jan 23:33 · edited 22 Jan 00:30 · History
Interestingly watching the excellent Spielberg/Hank production " Masters of the Air", Greenland and it's strategic importance features in the first episode.

Masters of the Air is their 3rd WWII series after Band of Brothers and the Pacific. Maybe Trumpy is a Spielberg fan.

The US B-17s flying Stateside to Europe had to land and refuel in Greenland enroute. Understandably the Nazis had designs on the place.

In the great land swaps/borders reshaping, that went on post the end of WWII, Truman probably could have just kept the 'great block of ice' without the Danes (who the Yanks help liberate) complaining much.

The days of fixed wing bombers needing refueling stops are well over, but is Putin much different to Hitler? The hard bargaining begins, just hopefully involving Greenland not Iceland! Different property address
21 Jan 23:34 · edited 21 Jan 23:36 · History
that is true, and I think we are all pretty clear on the real reasons DT wants ownership of Greenland - resources, oil and minerals that have become easier to access that's to the artic melt.

Queenslander 3x a year.

22 Jan 13:20
AucklandPhoenix
Yep no way in hell, Europe would have the guts for that.

Highly debatable if Russia ever took one of the Baltic countries on their doorstep like Estonia, if they would act either.

Poland more likely, 
theprof
Argentina and US are very different prospects though.
US is easily the most heavily armed military and led by a madman!
I think they would. The Baltics are the canary in the coalmine for Poland, and Poland is far too big a regional player to let that slide.
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22 Jan 19:34
LG
The best case scenario for Trump is to work with Greenland & Denmark about a deal allow some airbase/s to be constructed there. this idea of taking over the country through money or force is just pipe dream stuff. 

However, with the way Russia are going with their mad man in charge, it might be in Greenland's best interests to seek support from the USA rather than those limp wristed finger waggers call The United Nations. Whale Sharks have more teeth than those clowns.

So the USA negotiate with Greenland/Denmark to form some form of coalition like NATO would be the best and most logical, rational thing to happen.

There is an US Airbase since the 1940's
22 Jan 19:39
I can't wait for the demand of pro-footballers answering geo political questions and all the non sense talk that sport should not, is not political.
22 Jan 20:33
Jazzy Jeff
AucklandPhoenix
Yep no way in hell, Europe would have the guts for that.

Highly debatable if Russia ever took one of the Baltic countries on their doorstep like Estonia, if they would act either.

Poland more likely, 
theprof
Argentina and US are very different prospects though.
US is easily the most heavily armed military and led by a madman!
I think they would. The Baltics are the canary in the coalmine for Poland, and Poland is far too big a regional player to let that slide.
The idea that Europe wouldn't defend the Baltics - actual NATO members - means that you don't think NATO is a real thing anyway

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28 Feb 20:24
USA bombing Iran and killing children.  As usual FIFA will do nothing 
28 Feb 20:50
This is insane. Does anyone actually believe the Iranian team will be admitted to the US, let alone supporters?

TOTAL. BOYCOTT. NOW.

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28 Feb 21:45
You were pretty silent when the irani government killed thousands of its own people a few weeks ago?
Procrastinixing
USA bombing Iran and killing children.  As usual FIFA will do nothing 
28 Feb 22:44
Full steam ahead MAGA, patriots, and the United States of America.  USA USA USA 🇺🇸!!