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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bazza = utility i guess. The new Christie.
 
Elliott is our defensive midfielder if we need one. And we dont need two (ie Brown)

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james dean wrote:
Exactly greenie. we don't have a lot of options.  Surprised that we didn't include Oughton, 4 forwards and 4 centre backs in an 18 man squad is actually too many.
 
If you didn't include Brownie how would you line it up?
 
this was my best bet based on devoid of widies and flush with fwds
 
                Pasty
 
Siggie    Vic  Nelsen        Lochy
 
               Elliott
 
    Bertos         McGlinchey
 
Smeltz     Killen         Wood

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Feverish wrote:
Bazza = utility i guess. The new Christie.
 
 
Tinoi??????

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Feverish wrote:
james dean wrote:
Exactly greenie. we don't have a lot of options.  Surprised that we didn't include Oughton, 4 forwards and 4 centre backs in an 18 man squad is actually too many.
 
If you didn't include Brownie how would you line it up?
 
this was my best bet based on devoid of widies and flush with fwds
 
                Pasty
 
Siggie    Vic  Nelsen        Lochy
 
               Elliott
 
    Bertos         McGlinchey
 
Smeltz     Killen         Wood
 
mental.
 
Your team is one player short, and who is Vic Nelsen?
 
Why don't we get rid of Elliott and play Fallon up front as well?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
prob trying to squeeze Fallon in there too is a bit much. Maybe Tinoi Christie in the hole

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To agressive greenie, remember we're not going o have the ball for long periods.  Plus with that formation you're closing all of the space for bertos.  he needs to be in the front three and drop one of them plus ad an extra midfielder
 
It's difficult because ou're potentially dropping a better player for a weaker one but as they're not in the same positions it's not really a comparison

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Bazza = utility i guess. The new Christie.
 
Elliott is our defensive midfielder if we need one. And we dont need two (ie Brown)
I'd prefer another defensive midfielder so Elliot has a bit more freedom to attack, Oughton would be best IMO, otherwise Brown or Barron. Then play McGlinchey in midfield and Bertos, Smeltz and Killen/Fallon up front.
 
                 
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james dean wrote:
To agressive greenie, remember we're not going o have the ball for long periods.  Plus with that formation you're closing all of the space for bertos.  he needs to be in the front three and drop one of them plus ad an extra midfielder
 
It's difficult because ou're potentially dropping a better player for a weaker one but as they're not in the same positions it's not really a comparison
 
you're probb right - at least for the away leg. needs more Daniel. I Siggy plays centre back then stick Elliott and Vicelich in the middle with McG in front

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not sure if Vicelich should start.
 
With Nelsen and Sigmund we have our two cb's. He's too slow to play right or left so no go there, and i can not see him getting past Elliott and Brown for the cm spots and now McGlinchey aswell.
 
He will be a versatile sub.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
my whole approach is based on the fact that Brown needs to prove himself between not and then, and if he doesnt ...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't remember if I've had a stab at this already or not, but:
 
Scott     Sigmund     Nelsen       Lochhead
 
           Brown               Elliot
 
McGlinchy         Fallon                Bertos
 
                        Killen

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
I can't remember if I've had a stab at this already or not, but:
 
Scott     Sigmund     Nelsen       Lochhead
 
           Brown               Elliot
 
McGlinchy         Fallon                Bertos
 
                        Killen
 
Is Smeltz injured?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
any reason you left out our best player?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smeltz/Killen take your pick I guess.
 
Smeltzy scoring lots of goals but in a lesser league.  Killen was banging them in pre-season for Celtic but now not getting much of a look.
 
Away from home Killen is a bigger physical presence in a game we mustn't lose badly.
Smithy2009-08-24 09:18:57

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
any reason you left out our best player?
 
No, Simon Elliot was there.

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Smithy wrote:
I can't remember if I've had a stab at this already or not, but:
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Scott     Sigmund     Nelsen       Lochhead

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           Brown               Elliot

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McGlinchy        �Fallon              ï¿½ Bertos

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                     ï¿½ï¿½ Killen


Going for the no keeper formation? Underrated, that one.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Admittedly I am more in favour with Smeltz having more of a belt because he is scoring goal accurately from his feet. He hasn't missed much at all.

When you have very little team training time before an one off game. Some of the factors that you considered for selecting a striker would be the number of goal scoring attempts, shots on targets, goals per game and the regular gametime. Smeltz fits the bill very well.

Killen may get some game time but since it is a friendly, I imagine that Smeltz and Killen will get a half each with Fallon. We already know how they perform together at the confederation cup.

Of course, having McGlinchey in the midfield opens the question of how could have been with McGlinchey with Smeltz and Killen and how much ball service he could have given them along the lines that they run with each other.

What we really need is a number of game to assess what is best for us. And having Fallon and McGlinchey at this late stage on debut gives selection problems. What we did at the confederation cup only can highlight that weakness combination we had but not the strength combination we now have with new players in. Since we do not have much game time, we have to have some experiment focus on the combination. We really need to have another game to incorporate experimental combination of two players in the midfield and forward blocks before setting with the ideal set up, but we have only give the debutant a full game and split the game time in half between Smeltz and Killen.

for the friendly game, I would think that Killen would start since he has not much game time recently and then the flexibility of subbing Smeltz with at least with 30 minutes of game time. If it was a serious competitve game, then I would start Smeltz without a doubt.
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el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
I can't remember if I've had a stab at this already or not, but:
 

Scott     Sigmund     Nelsen       Lochhead

 

           Brown               Elliot

 

McGlinchy         Fallon                Bertos

 

                        Killen


Going for the no keeper formation? Underrated, that one.
 
Stop trying to be cheeky, Sheiky.  No disrespect to Jimbo but Paston is a no-brainer.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm surprised that some of you have a massive hard on over Smeltz as an international striker.
 
Did he stand out for you at the Confeds Cup?  Or have you just been drinking too much Clive Palmer?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy and he's in unbelievable form at A-League level, but putting the glossy finishes on Gold Coast's play does not equal toiling away up front for us against probably superior Middle Eastern opposition.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i dont think you can not start Smeltz -
 
yes, A league doesnt equal SPL (although SPL seems a bit of a mixed bag) or Championship, but he has nevertheless been prolific for more than two seasons for both club and country - and was also the A-League's golden boot and Johnny Warren medal winner. He is playing some pretty good footy.
Marius Lacatus2009-08-24 11:54:35
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Smithy wrote:
I'm surprised that some of you have a massive hard on over Smeltz as an international striker.
 
Did he stand out for you at the Confeds Cup?  Or have you just been drinking too much Clive Palmer?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy and he's in unbelievable form at A-League level, but putting the glossy finishes on Gold Coast's play does not equal toiling away up front for us against probably superior Middle Eastern opposition.
 
guy in my team in a Plymouth fan and reckons Fallon is gash. Why have you cracked one over him?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oh and Smeltzs AW record is legendary

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh great, now Nelsen is injured and according to the Blackburn site... "particularly as his knee has flared up again, so that will be some considerable time."



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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For the friendly match I would give Fallon a spell, to get his debut out and away as well as giving his time to form combos with the other AWs. You can't expect him to be on the field in the WCQ play-offs (which is a big thing) without a full game with his fellow AWs. He may end up as our only forward, if Smeltz gets injured and Killen gets red card or whatever and then we are up the cheek without a paddle expecting a big miracle. Who wants to be in that situation? Strange things has happen in WCQ play-offs before.

In return, we see that Killen has perform well in the AW shirt and he hasn't had that much gametime, so Fallon may be a good revelation. Fallon maybe an very good channel man in our team rather than a targetman, in a slightly different role internationally compared to club. We just have to see what he's got at international level with the other AWs to form a better opinion.

Anyway, the defence problems were obvious, but with Scott being our likely RB, I would feel happy for him to get regular start there.

The key thing we were unable to sustain adequately in the confederation cups was our midfield. Elliot had hardly much help in the midfield and with McGinchey, we are sure to get a better central midfield pair than we have before. Get Bertos, who is getting back to his near best and it's only Brown for the defensive midfield duties for the away game. With Elliot and McGlinchey, Brown would not feel under pressure to combine having another passing option besides Elliot. The connection among the midfield suddenly look very tidy and obvious.

With Nelson, McGlinchey and Fallon, we have strength all three blocks, a large difference for our AWs. In some way, our play-off opposition would look at the Confederation Cup performance and not really that prepared for the difference. It could be our blessing that they did not play in the confederation cup.

Really, to watch the two Bahrain and Saudi Arabia playoff games would gives us hints about any new players that they have gain, but I think there is very little changes in their squad after the FIFA rule change as most of their players are home-based and have not played in another international youth team.
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Feverish wrote:
Smithy wrote:
I'm surprised that some of you have a massive hard on over Smeltz as an international striker.
 
Did he stand out for you at the Confeds Cup?  Or have you just been drinking too much Clive Palmer?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy and he's in unbelievable form at A-League level, but putting the glossy finishes on Gold Coast's play does not equal toiling away up front for us against probably superior Middle Eastern opposition.
 
guy in my team in a Plymouth fan and reckons Fallon is gash. Why have you cracked one over him?
 
I haven't, but deep in the midfield isn't a job Smeltz has ever done.  I haven't seen Fallon play ever I don't think so I'm just going on reports of where/how he plays.
 
But if a "guy in your team in a Plymouth fan" says so then who am I to argue.

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Feverish wrote:
oh and Smeltzs AW record is legendary
 
Define legendary?
 
He's played 30 odd games for a bit better than a goal in every 3 games but the vast majority of his goals (12 or 14 depending on whose website you believe) were scored against Pacific Island opposition.
 
Killen has played more games, and scored more goals.
 
I'd say their records are very similar.
 
At the end of the day it comes down to what job you want them to do.  Play Smeltz in the home leg for sure, and maybe off the bench away too, but start the big man.

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Smithy wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Smithy wrote:
I'm surprised that some of you have a massive hard on over Smeltz as an international striker.
 
Did he stand out for you at the Confeds Cup?  Or have you just been drinking too much Clive Palmer?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy and he's in unbelievable form at A-League level, but putting the glossy finishes on Gold Coast's play does not equal toiling away up front for us against probably superior Middle Eastern opposition.
 
guy in my team in a Plymouth fan and reckons Fallon is gash. Why have you cracked one over him?
 
I haven't, but deep in the midfield isn't a job Smeltz has ever done.  I haven't seen Fallon play ever I don't think so I'm just going on reports of where/how he plays.
 
But if a "guy in your team in a Plymouth fan" says so then who am I to argue.
 
well the pom has actually watched him play -so you cant really argue

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Dougie Rydal wrote:
Oh great, now Nelsen is injured and according to the Blackburn site... "particularly as his knee has flared up again, so that will be some considerable time."


 
I wouldn't count on him being available for the playoff. At this rate i'd give him about a 5-10% chance of actually taking the field.

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as i said before
 
play  the fastest players vs  the arabs  to  match their best  skill,  fast and mobility
 
i reckon smeltz is faster than  killen,   so  it is a toss.,
 
what is  important  is to  play  a passing game,  so  killen could be important  to  shield the ball,
 
maybe  smeltz  can be introduced as an impact player, when their defence is tiring....
 
what is important is  to   give  freedom to a midfield that could work
 
an  option  for a team could be the following
 
 
                              paston
 
 boyens/scott    vicellich  sigmund    lochead
 
              NELSEN    TIM BROWN /ELLIOT
 
BERTOS/          ELLIOT /JAMES            MC GLINGHEY
 
                        KILLEN/ FALLON/SMELTZ
 
maybe   nelsen  as a holding mid ,  or a  sweeper  ahead  of the back  for.....the good thing about nelsen  is that  he can  play  in any position as   a  holding mid  ala  roy keane,  or  as  a sweeper as wellsince he is injured  now,.  i think  herbert needs to try  another  4 four  or  try  the one in the conf  cup, with  vicellich and sigmund,..
 
boyens  as  old  can  play  as  rb, 
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Feverish wrote:
 
well the pom has actually watched him play -so you cant really argue


Have you read some of the views of people who watch Phoenix games ?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nelsen  will play,  he was taken off because he is such an influential player,,that  the  manager and himself, did not want to risk him., 
 
 
he will play  the 2 games thats for sure, 
 
the good thing about him , is that he is a tactic player  that can play in any position  in defence and  as a  holding  midfielder
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JAVIERF wrote:
he will play  the 2 games thats for sure, 
 
You obviously aren't aware of his track record with the national team.

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JAVIERF wrote:
as i said before
 
play  the fastest players vs  the arabs  to  match their best  skill,  fast and mobility
 
i reckon smeltz is faster than  killen,   so  it is a toss.,
 
what is  important  is to  play  a passing game,  so  killen could be important  to  shield the ball,
 
maybe  smeltz  can be introduced as an impact player, when their defence is tiring....
 
what is important is  to   give  freedom to a midfield that could work
 
an  option  for a team could be the following
 
 
                              paston
 
 boyens/scott    vicellich  sigmund    lochead
 
              NELSEN    TIM BROWN /ELLIOT
 
BERTOS/          ELLIOT /JAMES            MC GLINGHEY
 
                        KILLEN/ FALLON/SMELTZ
 
maybe   nelsen  as a holding mid ,  or a  sweeper  ahead  of the back  for.....the good thing about nelsen  is that  he can  play  in any position as   a  holding mid  ala  roy keane,  or  as  a sweeper as wellsince he is injured  now,.  i think  herbert needs to try  another  4 four  or  try  the one in the conf  cup, with  vicellich and sigmund,..
 
boyens  as  old  can  play  as  rb, 
 
Wow.
 
Nelsen in the midfield, Chris James (not in the squad) in front of him.
 
Awesome.  Are you the guy in Greenie's team by any chance?
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Hard News wrote:
Feverish wrote:
 
well the pom has actually watched him play -so you cant really argue


Have you read some of the views of people who watch Phoenix games ?
 

Good point ha. Ok here�s an idea � why not play Killen and Smeltz? Fallon would probably rate as number four (behind Wood) on our strikers list (not sure about you having him in midfield) wouldn�t he?  Do you think Fallon is better than Smeltz, or are you just trying fill a position in a formation (based on Rickys current formation-du-jour)?

Feverish2009-08-24 18:38:01

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Smithy wrote:
JAVIERF wrote:
as i said before
 
play  the fastest players vs  the arabs  to  match their best  skill,  fast and mobility
 
i reckon smeltz is faster than  killen,   so  it is a toss.,
 
what is  important  is to  play  a passing game,  so  killen could be important  to  shield the ball,
 
maybe  smeltz  can be introduced as an impact player, when their defence is tiring....
 
what is important is  to   give  freedom to a midfield that could work
 
an  option  for a team could be the following
 
 
                              paston
 
 boyens/scott    vicellich  sigmund    lochead
 
              NELSEN    TIM BROWN /ELLIOT
 
BERTOS/          ELLIOT /JAMES            MC GLINGHEY
 
                        KILLEN/ FALLON/SMELTZ
 
maybe   nelsen  as a holding mid ,  or a  sweeper  ahead  of the back  for.....the good thing about nelsen  is that  he can  play  in any position as   a  holding mid  ala  roy keane,  or  as  a sweeper as wellsince he is injured  now,.  i think  herbert needs to try  another  4 four  or  try  the one in the conf  cup, with  vicellich and sigmund,..
 
boyens  as  old  can  play  as  rb, 
 
Wow.
 
Nelsen in the midfield, Chris James (not in the squad) in front of him.
 
Awesome.  Are you the guy in Greenie's team by any chance?
 
 
 
i do not understand u...
 
yes nelsen can bring balance to the team, and  maybe u need to try and trust to a central pair with games together under  their belts, .-...sometimes  the back  4  is  just about time to get  each other in the same tune..
 
herbert  if smart maybe needs to  play  nelsen  were is more needed  and the  worst part  of nz  was in midfield  with no  cohesion  between  midfield and the   back 4  , and  midfield and  the  attackers-..... elliot is not a defensive mid,  he can help, but he is  a creative player
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Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Has Nelson ever played in the midfield?
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Only in Championship Manager...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...and in fictional argentinian characters disney fantasy storybook.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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