The next All Whites coach

When you look at that list Ricki really has been in the job ages.Longest serving current international manager?

When I suggest Chris Greenacre am I going to be bombarded with hate?

I think he needs more headcoaching experience. He is really only 18 months into it. I think he is a good idea for the future but not at the moment. I also think that he needs a bit of distance between the players. Some of them that he would be picking, he may well have played with/against.

Paul Ifill?

To be fair to Ljubisa Brocic he coached some quality European sides in the 50s and some other international sides before coaching New Zealand for 6 games in 1969, but he was absolute pants for us (and it was ages ago anyway).

Plodder. Why not. 

This thread is so depressing. In so many ways.

Tony Vidmar?

Lochead haters would do well to want Paul Temple after the way he was bagging him all game on twitter. He'd never play another game for the all whites again. 

I'm all for being ambitious but we do need to be realistic. We're not going to pay the $ required to get a "name" coach, and playing a couple of friendlies a year against the likes of Ventura Fusion is not going to have Mourinho et al bombarding the fax machine (hopefully NZF have stocked up on fax paper!)

Let's just hope that somehow we get someone prepared to put together a game plan to suit the players we have now

face palm

Tony Popovic

Emblen or Nelsen or both. Id like to know who Winston Reid and Tommy Smith think would be good for the job.

Given they're both in teams managed by big lumps who used to kick anything that moved when they played don't know if that would represent progress :) But I see your point - take some advice from those playing at a very good level rather than canvassing opinions at the NZF Xmas party

he might offer some difference to herbert but I'd say we need to look off shore.

Have to say that the minute you start asking players who they think would be good for the job, then you are in trouble.

from England league   Tony_Mowbray  he tends to play passing football, for an englishman is a plus.   Peter Reid,

Ireland    Brian Kerr former Ireland manager a good manager , a tactic man and knows a big bunch about football, won underages with Ireland.   David O'Leary.  

From Argentina    Marcelo Bielsa,  Héctor Cúper (almost got the irish post ) Ricardo Gareca (is being chased by Perú and Paraguay) and one very good with small budget and cups expertise Edgardo "el patón" Bauza

Italy  Walter Zenga.   Gennaro Gattuso

Germany  Holger Osieck ( he did a good job with canada also). 

USA   Bob Bradley  (would renew with egipt is already over, and he is a good coach)

Uruguay   Sergio Markarian is a great coach. 

Cheers Javier. Frank van Hattum will take note. Yeah right.

Brian Kerr- No thanks he'd be as defensive as Ricki. Didn't do a good job really with the Irish. David O'Leary is a good shout but is probably too comfy doing tv work. 

Ian Holloway would be brilliant though! He's out of 

I don't even know if the next all whites coach needs to be based in NZ. Its only ever a part time job and games will be very few and far between. We hardly ever play at home asking other countries to foot our friendly bills and hence eliminating any risk that we will lose money. Reid, Smith, Wood, Rojas, Henderon, tuiloma, Keat, James, Thomas, Fitzpatrick all play overseas and I would expect that these players will form the core of our team going forward. Whilst not the most attactive prize there must be someone out there decent who has made their coin, is over coaching a club side full time and wouldn't mind testing themselves against the Spain's of this world at the confed cup or possibly a world cup. I know I'm probably dreaming however

Steve Nicol? Martin Rennie? Jesse Marsch? Some decent ex-coaches of MLS clubs.

Jesus Javier, thats probably the most useful post you have made in this forum.

You know I initially thought 'Talk to some of the experienced heads about what they think' and I think NZF should at least talk to Reid on his thoughts but then you make a valid point Leggy that the instant you go to the players, you are in trouble. I think if Frank had an open and honest (lets call it 'frank') discussion with Winston, and Winston only, that would not be out of place and probably productive.

"If Van Hattum had a Frank discussion with Winston about a likely manager, many people might Reid more into it than they should".

In a lot of respects, this could be viewed as a very good or bad idea for Poppa but I think this is a brilliant idea Wibblebutt. I had thought of it earlier in the back of my mind but you got in well first.

1: He got overlooked for the shockeroos cause he is still green and I think even he could not argue with that too much especially whom he was up against in Ange and Arnold who have earned the right.
2: He would inherit a young AW side, a few of which he would have seen in the A League and it would pretty much be a blank canvas for him to mold.
3: He gets into international football with a team not far from home and he wont have to give up his WSW gig nor will it really eat up his time for an extra $75k (at a guess). Thats not bad from a cost perspective for NZF. I'll also add that if they work it in with the WSW properly, its effectively a pay rise that NZF are paying for so from a WSW perspective, if it keeps him around, thats great for them.
4: It gets him in the shop window to show the FFA what he can do. He is locked out for at least 2 years with ange being there so why not?
5: From an NZ point of view, he can coach and he has shown what he can do. Being based out of Sydney, its not an expensive trip to get him over.
6: It also gives NZF another voice when it comes to FIFA windows and getting them off.

The only downside is that it could kill his stocks with the FFA if the AWs tank but he is young enough at 41 (?) that in 10 years time, if it goes tits up, no one will remember.

I think this is a great idea Wibblebutt.

I have to profess off the bat that I want him to get the job. I have pushed his name in this forum the last while. I thought an axis of him and Nelsen would be great for the national side. It would be a decent blend of Kiwi and overseas thinking, experienced and inexperience and both have played at the top level so undestand that side of the game. I like what he did with the Olys, Nelsen said it was great and refreshing, and he has a record in his short coaching career of giving youth a chance. Nelsen is finding his feet still but I think what he lacks in coaching experience, he bring to it in smarts that he had as a player (call it professionalism or whatever)

What I have heard from a source bloody close to him is that NZF wont give him the job because he lacks the coaching tickets. He would be surprised if he got the job quote unquote.

So it not that I don't think he can't be the coach because I think he can. Its that he would not get it.

Hit the nail on the head 2ndBest. Unless we set up a respectable international programme in accordance with a strategy to qualify for the next WC, it doesn't make sense to hire an overseas 'super-coach'. It wouldn't make financial sense, the more likely scenario I think will be that we will mender along with our games in Oceania competitions and outside of that play bugger all games and hire someone local and part time. I wouldn't be surprised to see RH get the job again.

You would think surely that Ricki would need to go into the interview with a plan and selling point as to why he should go round again rather than just a 'is there anyone better?' line. Playing devils advocate, you would want him to outline his plan for the next 4 years because it is a 4 year appointment. That would have to start with the list of players not getting picked again. Has he got the balls to pull that trigger from some of his loyalists? Granted he may have held on to a few players because of the stage of the cycle we are in but any one can see those players are not the future and should be shelved immediately. (Smeltz might stick for a little bit if he comes back well but he would be it)

How about Frank Farina then? Unlikely to be Socceroos coach again, most recently PNG or somewhere national coach, could do an RH and stay with Sydney FC

HAve you seen Sydney play?

1-  Go to the asia route that's the most intelligent way but that's about politics and nz officials from your federation to lobby wtith FIFA and Oceania CONFED,,  They need and have to play a dozen of games per year, between competitive games and friendlies,.. 

2-Herbert is leaving the team in a better place from when he started, that's must to be said.  Kudos to him.  But 9 years at the helm is not healthy for people around.  

3-The Barcelona guy in your patio seems promising, and is on budget, will bring a different way to operate, he has the "know how".  The best players from nz are under 25 years old, and mostly attacking minded.  So a good chance to develop for the future.  If nz fails to get to Brazil,  2014 will be critical for NZ. But the all whites are already back on track into the football world and they are a good team to play against, So If the team overpower Mexico next Wednesday, more pedigree will be obtained.

Agree it should be a 2 year appointment, and some-one who has the ability to track the substantial number of younger players (under 25), overseas and here, and work the new jigsaw out. We have so much good talent coming through, but just need the right guy with the futuristic vision.

Obviously there will be some sort of brains trust setup by NZF to build this vision,  but have no faith in NZF to bring it together. Complete overhaul at NZF is the starting point. Herbert, Van Hattum and de Jong all out of it.  

ex Herald

But even privately some members of the team say that the changes needed go far beyond who holds the coach's clipboard.

"Things have to change within the organisation," said one player.

"It needs to get more professional and it is extremely difficult when you don't play games, especially when you come up against a team like Mexico."

 

I think Ramon Tribulitex would be a good option. He would definitely be within our price bracket as well. I would be happy to see him given a go and I'm fairly confident that he would take or seriously consider taking the job. One question is though, if he were appointed (which is unlikely in the first instance) would he turn into a Ricki Herbert of ACFC, favoring many of his previous club players over other options?