The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico

His department.

What does Turner do day to day in football?

Ok so why is he assistant coach of the All Whites? At the very least we should be developing the next generation of NZ coaches

I say a lot of dumb stuff. I also wrongly get on my high horse at some folk. I also rightly get lobbed grenades in my direction for being a fuck head. I do have to say though:
What the hell are you smoking and can you "puff puff give a toke on that bad boy" to the rest of us looking for that incredible high cause what ever you are taking to come up with that, you could make a fortune.
Ivan is our best DM (unfortunately because of age) that we have. Name one better. I can tell you, even Ricki can't.

The disappointing thing Chopah, and has been mentioned, its not like this window came out of the blue and its not like we did not know a long time ago that we were facing a team from CONCACAF.

Don't defend it, NZF get a brick bat. Stop defending Fred when its not defensible. Yes Fred has a sniff around your shed at Ellerslie and he will share some stories with you but look at it with your own eyes. If he was organised, this would have been jacked up a long while ago and not a week out. Men in high up positions don't do things by the seat of their pants. Saying 'well its not easy to organise' - we could have picked other international teams if CONCACAF was so difficult to jack up. The point of the exercise is time together as a team and formations and playing two club sides is hardly going to help when the players' clubs are anti-releasing them.

JV to are entitled to your opinion, even though you should wipe your chin some of the time. I never said there was a better one but what I can say is I would rather put a younger player in to give him a chance. Of course I can't name one but I find it very hard to believe in the whole of NZ ( or elsewhere) there is not one player that would not be able to do the job.

JV to are entitled to your opinion, even though you should wipe your chin some of the time. I never said there was a better one but what I can say is I would rather put a younger player in to give him a chance. Of course I can't name one but I find it very hard to believe in the whole of NZ ( or elsewhere) there is not one player that would not be able to do the job.

 Yes Fred has a sniff around your shed at Ellerslie and he will share some stories with you but look at it with your own eyes. 

I'm interested in what his role is.
Emblen is the assistant coach
Phil Warbrick is the manager
BT is the sounding board?

yeah sure mate - cuz your opinion is what counts.

I haven't spoken to Fred about any of this - the only thing I know about it is that we have had to reschedule an Ellerslie AFC meeting several times as he was under pressure trying to sort out games etc.

The only thing I want to point out is this - NZF have pretty much halved their staff in the past couple of months, including the resignation of the CEO.  Now my question is how come all the fingers are being pointed at Fred who as far as I can tell is doing his best to steady the ship and is doing a role that I don't think was part of his JD when he signed up.  I do agree the situation is far from ideal but I don't think it's down to just one or two people fucking it up.

I also know that people are not jumping out of their skin to play a team who don't pull a decent crowd, want some expenses covered and one of their players carries out amateur kung fu moves in friendly games - hardly an attractive proposition.

If you want to keep on your Fred crusade - go for it - I just think there could be plenty of worse people and we would be worse off if it wasn't for Fred in this particular circumstance.

yeah sure mate - cuz your opinion is what counts.

I haven't spoken to Fred about any of this - the only thing I know about it is that we have had to reschedule an Ellerslie AFC meeting several times as he was under pressure trying to sort out games etc.

The only thing I want to point out is this - NZF have pretty much halved their staff in the past couple of months, including the resignation of the CEO.  Now my question is how come all the fingers are being pointed at Fred who as far as I can tell is doing his best to steady the ship and is doing a role that I don't think was part of his JD when he signed up.  I do agree the situation is far from ideal but I don't think it's down to just one or two people fucking it up.

I also know that people are not jumping out of their skin to play a team who don't pull a decent crowd, want some expenses covered and one of their players carries out amateur kung fu moves in friendly games - hardly an attractive proposition.

If you want to keep on your Fred crusade - go for it - I just think there could be plenty of worse people and we would be worse off if it wasn't for Fred in this particular circumstance.

i also don't believe Ivan is up to it - not because he might be our best defensive mid but because if we play a 3-5-2 you don't need a DM - you need two box to box midfielders and Ivan isn't that at all.  he might be our 4th or 5th best centre back and for that reason he might make the squad but don't play the DM card. 

what does this even mean?

I'm calling it how I see it:
I see a guy thats has been seconded from the board in Mark Aspden as interim CEO and has said he is interested in keeping the role long term yet never utters one peep in public around NZF. That guy has played it very very smart.
I see Fred being the mouth piece for all of these decisions. If they are not his, then why is he speaking up for them and not putting them back at the interim CEO or FVH to justify? I assume someone has to rubber stamp charging the kids $2k and playing some club sides or does he have carte blanche?
If they have halved the staff, then why are they pushing through with trying to bill these kids to play? If the staff wage bill is coming down and not being filled, there is money in the kitty (not much, but not exactly bare) unless NZF are actually in a lot more shit financially than they advertise (and has been mentioned many times on this forum)
How long has he been under pressure to fill these games? When we stitched it up against New Cal in late March knowing there was a play off in a FIFA window in Oct/Nov, no one thought 'Fuck, we should get the team together around these dates PDQ'. Really?

My opinion may not count for fuck all, but the evidence in the public domain is pretty damning and overwhelming. Again, find one person that has said 'That guy Fred, has done a good job'. For a guy that has not spoken to Fred, I'm intrigued why you feel, in your opinion, he is 'doing his best to steady the ship'. His job is High Performance Director, not saviour of NZF. Thats FVH and Mark Aspdens job. If he focuses on his job and does it properly, the rest of it is not his problem. Simplistic, but true. I might add, if he was doing his job properly, we would be playing some international teams and not some club sides.

If you think I am on a Fred crusade, thats cool. Stop smelling the flowers for a moment and you will find he had very few fans if any anywhere.

Its well known that Fred is involved in your club and people do talk. What I am saying is, don't buy what you are told, look at it objectively.

more accurately i am insinuating that others are also responsible for this shambles - I'm not saying Fred is spotless in this mess but picture this:

your an international company based in NZ dealing with both national and international operations and your board sacks half the office because the feeling is that there are too many people for the amount of work required.  Then the CEO quits (or is pushed) and all of a sudden the staff that are left are now dealing with their own role plus other portfolio's.

I don't know who exactly is responsible but in my opinion it's not just Fred to blame -  it's just he has been given the job of fronting all the crappy media releases they have done lately.

Staff

Ricki HERBERT (Coach)
Neil EMBLEN (Assistant Coach)
Clint GOSLING (GK Coach)
Brian TURNER (Manager)

I understand BT (also?) has the title of Project Manager. Whatever that is.

How do you know this if you do not talk to Fred or he has not been at board meetings of Ellerslie for a while? I think you talk to Fred a bit more than you let on there Chopah.

The thing you are missing is this - if there are others responsible for this, they are smart and not fronting the media. If Fred was a smart guy, he would push these to the interim CEO to explain. He doesn't, because I suspect Aspden is never there and has left Fred to it, so yes, Fred gets the brick bat because they will be his decisions. Also Fred is a bit of a media whore fronting Radio Sport and the Phoenix broadcasts so lets not think for one second, that he does not want to be out there front and centre as well.

Now if you want to talk overall governance at NZF and the sorry state its in, thats a separate and unrelated subject and I agree, others have a big part to play in why the organisation is in such a shit state of affairs but lets not lump in goverance issues at NZF and the decision to charge kids to play and the trips away with the AWs anywhere else.

fine - by the way congratulations -  all your fucking whinging isn't going to do fuck all - hope it was worth your time.

By the way I like being positive about things and I also like believing that people are mostly doing their best - call me naive if you want but it's better than being a whinger

I must admit, a back 3 scares me. Also Lochead and Bertos near our starting XI too but you are talking from Rickis perspective obviously....

I think Peverley is a good footballer. I do rate him

HOWEVER

He does a ton of rash dumb shit that is just indefensible. At ASBP, those things you can get away with and not be punished. Against quality international competition, they will punish you every single time. Its like he is technically proficient but then has these frequent brain meltdowns so I have to ask if he is just the unlucky guy or the dumb ass that never learns? 3 years ago, he was in some great form. As of the last 2 years, I think he needs to go on like some 'biggest loser' comp whereby he grabs a black magic marker and writes in big fuck off letters on both arms and the back of both hands 'DON"T KICK HIM, KICK THE BALL' and thats his entire focus.

I'll take that.

If I'm so wrong, it should be easy to refute. No one has ever accused Fred of not doing his best. You could perhaps make a correlation that his best, is rubbish and just like the kid that comes last in the spelling bee, he might actually be giving it an A for effort but its not good enough. Thats a governance issue for NZF to sort if Fred is out of his depth in the role he has.

Yes it was worth my time. I am passionate about football and any discussion around that is well worth my time. You can call it whinging if you like but then I think your opinion suffers from being too close to Fred. Its not like you are going to slag him in a public forum now are you?

If you really ignore me for one moment and read everyone else's opinion, find someone that supports what Fred is doing. The answer is, you wont. If that does not give you a clue (taking eveything else aside that I have said and that I am so wrong/full of shit/negative) then it should be obvious what is going on.

if your so sure about how easy this would have been to organise put your hand up mate.

Any one know where the AW vs Chivas and Mexican club teams are at?. Coz it seems from the NZF website that they have been cancelled and they are now in camp for a week before the T & T game.....I might be wrong but thats my reading of it!  Anyone else got any idea?

As for Tuiloma. I have seen him play twice recently at OM. Very good prospect but very very underdeveloped. The kid is only 18 and playing age group stuff at OM for only a couple of months. There is quite a buzz here in Marseille about his selection. People are pleased for him but the general opinion is that he is way too young and under developed for international football.....which I would agree with 100%.

But this is NZ. We dreg up players with no clubs or no current form so any pro like  Tuiloma was always going to be on the radar. His selection is more about the current depth of NZ football than anything else.

I'm not going to get into a blame game - I don't know if they are Fred's calls on the youth charge and I don't know if doing the AW's games was even part of his JD or if he has been handed that and the media fronting one as well - but neither do you.  who else is to blame?  i don't know - why do we need to blame anyone in particular - why can't the whole thing just be wrong and we can look at it as one big problem - that's where the overall governance isn't a seperate issue - it's THE issue in my mind - does Fred have to take some flack in that - yeah probably, like I said i don't know the inner workings and i doubt you do either.  But if it feels better to blame someone then that's your call. 

I agree with you that there is some serious issues at NZF as a whole. You can list that as the coach, the scheduling of tours, the charging of players, no CEO, budget cuts, in the financial quagmire..... a boatload of stuff that is not related to what Fred is doing. I read an article JD posted before that we are about to have our 4th CEO in 5 years. That is mind blowing. However issues like this have a catalyst. Fred has not been around for most of them so as I said before, I think the goverance issue at NZF and what is going on now, are separate. The u17s charging fiasco.... Fred. This trip which has shambles written all over it.... Fred. I'm not blaming him for the financial crisis NZF is facing but he is certainly the guy that cops the shit for the recent decisions and I've already justified why.

I'll give you a different scenario. Lets say that none of this is Fred fault. Lets say he has no decision making in this process and just makes the suggestions and the board or someone else rubber stamp them. Why are they not fronting the media? FVH is not shy about talking if you mention FIFA EXCO in the conversation. Aspden is his interim boss and CEOs are generally the mouth piece of the organisation... Why not one of those two fronting...?

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If you really ignore me for one moment and read everyone else's opinion, find someone that supports what Fred is doing. The answer is, you wont. If that does not give you a clue (taking eveything else aside that I have said and that I am so wrong/full of shit/negative) then it should be obvious what is going on.
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yep it's obvious - it's either bandwagon jumping or tall poppy syndrome depending on the poster.

So removing my thousands of ranting posts on this topic, everyone else is completely wrong and is either a bandwagoner or suffers from Tall Poppy...... Are you actually reading what you write?

looks a lot like that to me (fred copping the flack on behalf of others)

fred seems like a reasonable bloke and he's obviously not stupid

but since he has come on board, the visible aspects of NZF's operation have not been good and that reflects badly on him

but hey, maybe he found a giant mess and has made it less of a mess? who knows

we really do need to be looking at frank.  i always liked that guy, but like fred, the visible aspects are not good

there's plenty to be positive about with nz footy right now.  i reckon our player base is better than ever and is going to keep getting better.  but i just think we could be doing a whole lot better administratively.  head office risks undermining all of the progress being made in terms of the quality of player we are now producing compared to 10 years ago

Sorry but Ivan is still clearly the best DM we have and probably ever have had. He is still a class player in my opinion and completely deserves to be in this team.