All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

This from the Halberg's Chairman (idiot)

66 replies · 6,301 views
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This from the Halberg's Chairman (idiot)

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This from the Herald...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Herald Trust Chairman reacts differently

New Zealand's annual sporting awards' chairman, Halberg Trust's Mike Jeffocat was less certain about the All Whites' legacy.

Mr Jeffcoat said the All Whites had certainly grabbed the public's imaginations and put forward a strong case for greatest sporting achievement of the year.

'The Academy members would be, just like the rest of NZ delighted with the performances. We all believe they exceeded expectations - perhaps aside from those of the players," he said.

" I thought it has been fantastic."

But an undefeated All Blacks season, for instance, could be considered almost as remarkable when it came time to pick the sporting achievement of the year, Mr Jeffcoat said.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Really, i mean really does he truly believe that? Because we've never had one of those before have we...


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Considered as remarkable ??  i consider it Expected they're the All Blacks ffs 
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeffcoat + Head + Sand.....I'll let you add it up but that is just so typical.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jesus H Christ - the AB's who can got years unbeaten in world rugby, according to this tool, being unbeaten for a season is remarkable as the All-Whites, qualifying for the WC for the first time in 28 years, and finishing unbeaten.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Team & coach of the year for sure. Sportsman unlikely to come from team sports right? Without knowing too much about rowing and no individual really standing out for me I would go Nelsen for sportsman. White out!
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Typical form, we could win the World Cup and they'd be talking about how the ABs winning a world cup would be more of an achievement.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What a cock. He goes on to say:

As to where the All Whites' dream run sat in New Zealand sports history, Mr Jeffcoat said it could be up to how the players themselves took the result.

It certainly ranked "high", but if the team were hungry for more, they could quickly eclipse this year's result, he said.

"In four years' time, would we - or the players - be happy if they went through [the World Cup] with three draws?" he asked.


So given that we have already won the RWC and frequently go on unbeaten runs, ANY ABs loss should be viewed by the Halberg Trust as a DISASTER.

This guy is a cock regardless of what you think of football or this achievement.

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nickel wrote:
Typical form, we could win the World Cup and they'd be talking about how the ABs winning a world cup would be more of an achievement.

Yep, if we had won the World Cup in the same year ABs won the RWC on home soil, no surprises if, I mean when, the ABs won the supreme award.ahmad2010-06-25 16:05:40

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well said Michael Jones and thank you for your graciousness.
 
 
 
Michael Jones, who was part of the 1987 Rugby World Cup winning side, and has been voted as one of the greatest All Blacks in history, said what the soccer team accomplished in South Africa was "unparalleled".
 
"That's not to take away from what we've achieved, but the sporting purist will appreciate that what these guys have achieved in that context is unparalleled."
cronus2010-06-25 16:44:26
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The only thing (in team sports) this result compares to is the Tall Blacks performance at the Basketball World Champs in Indy. I'm not a BBall fan, but it is probably the only team sport with anything close to the global following of football, and to finish 4th was simply remarkable.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To be fair to Mike Jeffcoat, it may be that he was trying to not look as he was prejudging.

In my unbiased () opinion though, they might as well hand them out next week.
 
Or even tomorrow.
 
 
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cronus wrote:
Well said Michael Jones and thank you for your graciousness.
 
 
 
Michael Jones, who was part of the 1987 Rugby World Cup winning side, and has been voted as one of the greatest All Blacks in history, said what the soccer team accomplished in South Africa was "unparalleled".
 
"That's not to take away from what we've achieved, but the sporting purist will appreciate that what these guys have achieved in that context is unparalleled."
 
Gracious and talented.
 
With his awesome athletic ability, MJ would have been a sensation in the round ball code.
 
Someone sign him up to help promote the game amongst Maori and Pacific Island kids.  
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Michael Jones = Legend.
Other twat = plank.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Halberg Awards? . . . Yawn.

For them to mention it now must be a worry. . . it hasn't started yet. Backtracking and defending itself now means they don't like the current talk and trying to dispel any chances of it catching on.AllWhitebelievr2010-06-25 19:34:05
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Halberg? . . . Yawn

Yeah, when I think about it does Brendan Telfer just select the winners on his own?

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tbh, I think Brendan Telfer would push for the AWs to be the team of the year on the Halberg Awards panel.

If you start to think about it more, everyone in the country besides the regulars includes ABs, Kiwis/Warriors, Schools, Prime Minister, radio talkback are delighted and more than delighted about their efforts.

Almost every time you get a news report and interviews with the coach and players, they all believed in themselves and backed themselves and never, ever gave up on the field and it showed on and off the field.

Even the ABs are not as cohesive this season, despite positive results and in fact they draw inspiration from the AWs by wearing All White tops at training. Former ABs Carlos Spencer was watching them, Michael Jones gave them due credit, they knew what a big stage, the football world cup is in context and they wish that Rugby was as popular.

In fact, if they don't get the team award or even Ricki don't get his coaches award, then Halberg Awards would be scared of the backlash from the public. Even Nelsen would be nominated for the individual sportsman award and if he wins it, that is better than Wynton Rufer has done in this context. Atm, I am struggling to recall any sportsperson this year who was inspirational.

For bloody once, I want Football to sweep the awards, it might be a long wait to get this chance again.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tbh, I think Brendan Telfer would push for the AWs to be the team of the year on the Halberg Awards panel.

If you start to think about it more, everyone in the country besides the regulars includes ABs, Kiwis/Warriors, Schools, Prime Minister, radio talkback are delighted and more than delighted about their efforts.

Almost every time you get a news report and interviews with the coach and players, they all believed in themselves and backed themselves and never, ever gave up on the field and it showed on and off the field.

Even the ABs are not as cohesive this season, despite positive results and in fact they draw inspiration from the AWs by wearing All White tops at training. Former ABs Carlos Spencer was watching them, Michael Jones gave them due credit, they knew what a big stage, the football world cup is in context and they wish that Rugby was as popular.

In fact, if they don't get the team award or even Ricki don't get his coaches award, then Halberg Awards would be scared of the backlash from the public. Even Nelsen would be nominated for the individual sportsman award and if he wins it, that is better than Wynton Rufer has done in this context. Atm, I am struggling to recall any sportsperson this year who was inspirational.

For bloody once, I want Football to sweep the awards, it might be a long wait to get this chance again.


another 4 years aint that long ;)
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dougie Rydal wrote:
This from the Herald...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Herald Trust Chairman reacts differently

New Zealand's annual sporting awards' chairman, Halberg Trust's Mike Jeffocat was less certain about the All Whites' legacy.

But an undefeated All Blacks season, for instance, could be considered almost as remarkable when it came time to pick the sporting achievement of the year, Mr Jeffcoat said.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
Lets be honest the Halberg Awards have become a joke.
 
To win a Halberg your best bet is to win one of the 300+ events at the Summer Olympics (don't worry if your chosen event has less than 100 full time professionals).
 
Don't go undefeated at the worlds biggest sporting event that only hands out 1 trophy.
Don't get a result against the reigning world champions (who have 3,000+ pros).
Yeovil2010-06-25 23:20:10

Achieve by Unity

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why do people in this country fail to realise a minuscule portion of the world play rugby?

f**ks sake people in this country can be such sh*t stains at times.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Azevo wrote:
Why do people in this country fail to realise a minuscule portion of the world play rugby?

f**ks sake people in this country can be such sh*t stains at times.


it shouldnt even be about.
The all blacks play so many "tests" that really arent worth anything, alot of these "tests" are games the all blacks dont realisticaly stand a chance of lossing either.
The predictability of 90% of all blacks games makes it borring, and anything less than winning the world cup shouldnt be worth awards for the all blacks
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
aitkenmike wrote:
The only thing (in team sports) this result compares to is the Tall Blacks performance at the Basketball World Champs in Indy. I'm not a BBall fan, but it is probably the only team sport with anything close to the global following of football, and to finish 4th was simply remarkable.

Or the Black Socks triple world series (ie. 12 years of being no #1). Surely this wouldve have deserved a Halberg? No f**kin way... the Halberg that year went to the All Blacks for winning the Bledisloe Cup
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
THE 2010 Bingo Caller of the year has more chance of winning a Halberg over any one or team from football.
 
It's usually down to either Rugby, Sailing - especially Americas cup participants, Rowing/canoeing, shotputting.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hope if anyone involved in football receives a Halberg, they take the chance to tell the panel that they are a joke and Halbergs are a disgrace.
You know we belong together...

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Halberg Trust chairman reacts differently

I think this man has a point Ricki's rowing credentials are sadly lacking !
Kiwi Jambo2010-06-28 07:35:18

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Halbergs are like Qantas media awards. No one in the industry takes them seriously because they're a joke. The All Whites don't need recognition from some rugby and rowing fans to know they are the country's most impressive team this year.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ricki HAS to win coach of the year. All Whites HAVE to win team of the year. If a cockless rowing pair win it'll be terrible, what the All Whites have done is much more oarsome than any win a rower could do. You have to put it in context to the rest of the world. 
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
CGW was on fire last night. Richardson (who is on the Halberg panel) said that he'd lock in right now the AW's for team of the year, Ricki for coach of the year, but was a little more effusive about Nelsen as sportsman of the year.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hlmphil wrote:
CGW was on fire last night. Richardson (who is on the Halberg panel) said that he'd lock in right now the AW's for team of the year, Ricki for coach of the year, but was a little more effusive about Nelsen as sportsman of the year.


All the previous threads are right, but remember this is NZ and anything relating to a sport that could challenge rugby has no chance. This has been going on from the first time I can remember, which is the mid 60's

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dougie Rydal wrote:
This from the Herald...--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Herald Trust Chairman reacts differentlyNew Zealand's annual sporting awards' chairman, Halberg Trust's Mike Jeffocat was less certain about the All Whites' legacy.Mr Jeffcoat said the All Whites had certainly grabbed the public's imaginations and put forward a strong case for greatest sporting achievement of the year.'The Academy members would be, just like the rest of NZ delighted with the performances. We all believe they exceeded expectations - perhaps aside from those of the players," he said." I thought it has been fantastic."But an undefeated All Blacks season, for instance, could be considered almost as remarkable when it came time to pick the sporting achievement of the year, Mr Jeffcoat said.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Really, i mean really does he truly believe that? Because we've never had one of those before have we...


that is sickening - what a clueless dinosaur

It is such crap that I almost believe he might have been mis-quoted

if not - if there was a Halberg for sporting moron he would be able to have the award with his name permanently on it until the date he curls up his toestigers2010-06-26 21:40:46
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scribbler wrote:
cronus wrote:
Well said Michael Jones and thank you for your graciousness.
�


�

�

Michael Jones, who was part of the 1987 Rugby World Cup winning side, and has been voted as one of the greatest All Blacks in history, said what the soccer team accomplished in South Africa was "unparalleled".

�

"That's not to take away from what we've achieved, but the sporting purist will appreciate that what these guys have achieved in that context is unparalleled."



�

Gracious and talented.

�

With his�awesome athletic ability, MJ would have been a sensation in the round ball code.

�

Someone sign him�up to help promote the game amongst Maori and Pacific Island kids.��


agree - the man is a great guy and yes he would have been a great footballer

I wonder if NZ football could swing that deal, in all seriousness - that or a similar action could be a tipping point for football in NZ
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lonegunmen wrote:
THE 2010 Bingo Caller of the year has more chance of winning a Halberg over any one or team from football.
 
It's usually down to either Rugby, Sailing - especially Americas cup participants, Rowing/canoeing, shotputting.
 
I agree, although to be fair although Rugby get they odd nomination but they win very few awards.
 

Achieve by Unity

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought Halbergs was a brand of Grainy Bread! C-Diddy2010-06-27 10:32:25

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It is harder to manage a squad off 23 in one direction than a pair of rowers. And it is harder for a team of 11 onfield in a hard working system with severe limited skill (compared with the other team) than a team with a range of skills against another team of similar skill range but smaller physically. (yes I'm talking about the ABs).

Nelsen, well, he is 100%on and off the field and I regard him bigger as a captain than McClaw wishes to be. But that can be more personal opinionated.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scribbler wrote:
cronus wrote:
Well said Michael Jones and thank you for your graciousness.
 
 
 
Michael Jones, who was part of the 1987 Rugby World Cup winning side, and has been voted as one of the greatest All Blacks in history, said what the soccer team accomplished in South Africa was "unparalleled".
 
"That's not to take away from what we've achieved, but the sporting purist will appreciate that what these guys have achieved in that context is unparalleled."
 
Gracious and talented.
 
With his awesome athletic ability, MJ would have been a sensation in the round ball code.
 
Someone sign him up to help promote the game amongst Maori and Pacific Island kids.  
 
Michael Jones legend??
 
Gracious yes.
 
Why is he even asked for a comment though? This was the top headline on the Herald online the day after the Paraguay game.
 
My cynical take is rugby legend and aspiring Nat politician whose mates got given millions of untendered money on the sly in the budget gets free publicity at the expensive of poofball. This isn't him promoting football. It's him assuring egg ballers it was ok to watch the WC this time round.
 
Will they ask Winton for his take on the Wales game and put it top on the Herald? Will Ryan Nelsen have to give Richie McCaw his blessing for any success next year to be accepted? I think not...
 
It's a nice, but highly publicised and political reaction to make rugby look good.  
 
Where is his take on the slow apology to the Maori who toured South Africa, or to the Blacks of South Africa or that stuff inside his own code?
 
Just sayin...


Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
On a similar issue, we've had Tau Potiki in his Chch Press column alleging it was  unfair the All Whites got so much publicity when this year's NZ Maori side deserved it more for winning  a few games on their tour. Apparently, drawing at the World Cup isn't on the same level as winning against England in rugby.
 Here's my letter in response they wouldn't print. Thought I was being very polite at the beginning too. I submitted a much shorter version later on after they told me it was too long:
 
NZ MAORI VS ALL WHITES

Sir,
Although I entirely agree with Tau Potiki (July 2) that the NZ Maori team deserve plaudits for their outstanding recent results in internationals during their centenary year, I disagree with the validity of some of his comparisons with the national attention accorded the recent success of the All Whites at the World Cup.
To denigrate the achievement of our national football side in leaving the tournament undefeated by comparing it to a hypothetical situation of the All Blacks drawing all their games at the Rugby World Cup and thus not deserving respect, is a back-to-front analogy. A more valid one is that made by Italian midfielder Daniele de Rossi in a press conference before playing the All Whites: "To fail to get a result against New Zealand would be like the All Blacks drawing with Italy at the Rugby World Cup," i.e. a poor result for New Zealand but a great one for Italy. We occupy a position in world soccer comparable to Italy in rugby.
 Also, the All Whites' results were truly exceptional in the context of football's status in this country, our modest previous international results and the number of strong teams in international football. So the camparison with the NZ Maori Rugby team doesn't work in that repect either. NZ Maori have a long record of international success and have won the great majority of their previous tour matches over the last century. In fact they lost only four of their matches between 1994- 2004 (in which time they beat England and Scotland) and beat the Lions in 2005. The number of strong international rugby teams can also be counted on the fingers of one hand.
 Finally, a national representative side such as the All Whites playing in the world's biggest finals tournament will quite naturally garner more attention than an ethnically-based team playing "friendlies" (as such games are termed by other codes). There were three Maori players in the All Whites starting eleven anyway, more than the proportion of our population that are Maori.
Big Pete 652010-07-08 09:44:59

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One positive note: Mark Richardson, who's a Halberg judge, said on his show "The Crowd Goes Wild" the other week that the All Whites have already got his vote for Best team and Ricki for Best Coach. Good man!
 Actually, I've enjoyed their show during the World Cup- both presenters are genuine AWs fans, as is their South Africa reporter James McOnie.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I understand people's cynicism about the Halbergs favouring rugby and rowing but as an ex rower I remember feeling just as slighted 20yrs ago whn kiwi crews were winning world titles but never even getting nominated. We still do excel at rowing and sure it doesnt have as many participants as some but as far as being equal with the best on the world's stage at least we now get acknowledgement from the so called sporting powers that be
 
I'm sure the All Whites will get nominated and hopefully win best team and I'll be gob smacked if Ricky Herbert doesn't easily take best coach
 
But spare a thought for kiwi William Trubridge... I'll be gobsmacked if he gets nominated even though he recently took yet another WORLD free diving record.
 
"He became the first man to pass the barrier of 300 feet (92 meters) freediving completely unassisted - a discipline called "constant weight no fins."  The dive time was 3:45. Constant Weight No Fins is considered to be athletically the most demanding of the freediving disciplines". He has also previously held the world record in Free Immersion diving
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would question whether free diving is a sport.  You don't really compete against each other. i.e. I'm pretty sure there are 10 divers out in the ocean and each of them take turns divign down.  Instead there is a world record that divers have a go at at their leisure.  To me that soulds like something that should be in the Guinness world records.
Permalink Permalink
over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
I would question whether free diving is a sport.  You don't really compete against each other. i.e. I'm pretty sure there are 10 divers out in the ocean and each of them take turns divign down.  Instead there is a world record that divers have a go at at their leisure.  To me that soulds like something that should be in the Guinness world records.
 
But by that defanition sports also wouldn't consist of shop put, long jump, high jump, all gymastic routines
 
Trubridge's latest record dive took place during the Vertical Blue Sunnto Dive-Off competition which runs from April 17 - 27 and sees the best freedivers in the world compete to extend the limits in this extreme sport - which is pretty much the same way an athletics meet or olympics is run. Free diving is at such depths these days and so expensive as far as setup and safety costs that its not done at anyone's leisure
stealthkiwi2010-07-08 11:05:09
Permalink Permalink