Jonathan Gould. Has applied before i believe.
BAZEball - The Darren Bazeley Era
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-canada-s-john-herdman-emerges-as-leading-candidate-for-all-whites-head-coaching-role.html
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-canada-s-john-herdman-emerges-as-leading-candidate-for-all-whites-head-coaching-role.html
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
With Canada hosting the next WC, I can't understand it either...
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-canada-s-john-herdman-emerges-as-leading-candidate-for-all-whites-head-coaching-role.html
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
With Canada hosting the next WC, I can't understand it either...
If true, a big shock - but very very pleasant surprise. I apologise to Napier Phoenix for doubting him. Wouldn't even care if he came as a package deal aka Poppa, and he picked his son Jay for ever AWs team hereon!
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-canada-s-john-herdman-emerges-as-leading-candidate-for-all-whites-head-coaching-role.html
Former Football Ferns coach John Herdman has been identified as the preferred candidate to become the next coach of the All Whites.
Newshub understands the 47-year-old has agreed terms, although contracts haven't been signed and his appointment cannot yet be considered a done deal.
Herdman would be in line to replace former coach Danny Hay, who chose not to pursue another term after being asked to reapply for his job following the defeat to Costa Rica in last year's World Cup intercontinental playoff.
On Wednesday, NZF announced the All Whites would kick off their 2026 cycle with two home games against China in March.
NZF said those matches will be overseen by interim head coach Darren Bazeley, after "the leading candidate for the permanent All Whites head coach role had to be called upon to help manage a family health issue, meaning they weren’t able to take up the position ahead of these fixtures".
NZF said those matches will be overseen by interim head coach Darren Bazeley, after "the leading candidate for the permanent All Whites head coach role had to be called upon to help manage a family health issue, meaning they weren’t able to take up the position ahead of these fixtures".
While it’s unclear what factors could scupper the deal, prominent football sources described Herdman as "the clear top pick" for NZF officials, after completing a thorough recruitment process.
Securing the services of Herdman would be a coup. The Englishman most recently led Canada's men's national team at the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - the team's first appearance at the global showpiece in 36 years. While the team finished bottom of their group with three defeats, two of those losses came against eventual semi-finalists Croatia and Morocco.
Herdman was widely praised for his team’s performance in qualifying for the tournament, as Canada topped the CONCACAF confederation ahead of traditional heavyweights Mexico and the United States.
Before heading to Canada, Herdman cut his international coaching teeth in New Zealand. After pursuing a coaching career at a young age, he led New Zealand’s U-20 women's teams at World Cups in 2006 and 2010. He also coached the Football Ferns at two FIFA women's World Cups in 2007 and 2011, before heading north to take charge of Canada's women’s national team.
Herdman’s eldest son Jay was born in Invercargill, but has represented both Canada and New Zealand at U-20 level. The 18-year-old won the golden ball as New Zealand claimed the Oceania U-19 Championship in Tahiti last year.
Herdman's decision to relocate back to New Zealand would come as a surprise, with Canada set to co-host the 2026 FIFA World Cup
Would be a massive coup if true! I might even forgive NZF for making us wait nearly 6 months!
that would be huge, Canada's loss hopefully our gain!
Yeah, would be huge. Happy with this from an AW's perspective, (Less so from a Nix perspective, but... ) Hopefully it works out and NZF gets it over the line.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-canada-s-john-herdman-emerges-as-leading-candidate-for-all-whites-head-coaching-role.html
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
Herdman? Struggling to work out why he'd come to New Zealand to not play football games?
With Canada hosting the next WC, I can't understand it either...
Presumably he's realised that Cacace is better than Davies, Wood is better than David, and the Waine Train is better than them all 🚂🤷
I thought taking a team to get your son picked stopped years ago?!
I thought taking a team to get your son picked stopped years ago?!
Hasn’t Popovic been worse without his sons in the team? Seems to be a lot of support for Herdman in any case.
There has to be a large number of coaches who would want Canada for a home WC. So perhaps there’s a lot of politics playing out there?
In any case NZF seemed to think they could get their man when everyone here seemed to think he’d be first on their payroll. Perhaps the Canadian WC performance (or their headlines against Serbia) wasn’t as good as their qualifying?
Feels kind of odd though for NZF to say we couldn’t get our first or second candidates so we don’t want 3rd or 4th, let’s start over. That seems a somewhat interesting way to do things…
"Buckingham removed himself from contention when he signed a contract extension with Indian Super League club Mumbai City at the start of 2023. It is understood he gave NZ Football the opportunity to counter Mumbai City’s offer, but they were focused on moving ahead with their preferred candidate at the time."
Will be gutting to have rejected Des to get Herdman but then not get him either. I hope it isn't the case that Herdman only put his name in the hat to use as leverage to better his Canada situation and then use this family health situation as an excuse to turn us down. I'm sure in any case he may not be happy that this has been made public. But fingers crossed it all works out and we get him in the end.
Will be gutting to have rejected Des to get Herdman but then not get him either. I hope it isn't the case that Herdman only put his name in the hat to use as leverage to better his Canada situation and then use this family health situation as an excuse to turn us down. I'm sure in any case he may not be happy that this has been made public. But fingers crossed it all works out and we get him in the end.
I think NZF are basically telling Talay that with hindsight they are not keen on the job co share thing. And I agree.
They hope to get Herdman over the line, which would be a great coup. If not they go back to the wallflower sitting in the corner Bazeley, or readvertise which would be a comedown.
They hope to get Herdman over the line, which would be a great coup. If not they go back to the wallflower sitting in the corner Bazeley, or readvertise which would be a comedown.
Canada are also playing in March, with Herdman presumably coaching them. Unless Canada fire him for flirting with us like he has
Those who think herdman is a possibility are seriously deluding themselves. He can do a lot better. It is a serious step down.
We will end up with someone who unfortunately it will be a step up
We will end up with someone who unfortunately it will be a step up
you'd assume that he'd be dealing with his family issues before coaching the Canadian team, will be intersting to see if he is on the sideline for those matches.
Correct re Herdman. Was interested and AWs was a back up option for him. Will sign new Canadian deal in coming days.
Cant confirm DB but most agreed he was 3rd cab off the rank.
Cant confirm DB but most agreed he was 3rd cab off the rank.
Wait we could have had Buckingham? So we lost very, very good because they wanted to chase an unlikely version of perfect?
Wait we could have had Buckingham? So we lost very, very good because they wanted to chase an unlikely version of perfect?
More than happy with the Herdman appointment if it can be signed off. The guy has proven he can work with lesser footballing countries and achieve great things. Strikes me as an astute and intelligent coach who can get best out of his players. Seems good with the media too.
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
More than happy with the Herdman appointment if it can be signed off. The guy has proven he can work with lesser footballing countries and achieve great things. Strikes me as an astute and intelligent coach who can get best out of his players. Seems good with the media too.
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
Wait so we might get Herdman? I thought the herd wisdom on here was we didn’t have a monkey’s?
Was going to say Herdman could become the first person to coach both the Ferns and AWs but that's already been done before by a former English and NZ international.
More than happy with the Herdman appointment if it can be signed off. The guy has proven he can work with lesser footballing countries and achieve great things. Strikes me as an astute and intelligent coach who can get best out of his players. Seems good with the media too.
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
Wait so we might get Herdman? I thought the herd wisdom on here was we didn’t have a monkey’s?
More than happy with the Herdman appointment if it can be signed off. The guy has proven he can work with lesser footballing countries and achieve great things. Strikes me as an astute and intelligent coach who can get best out of his players. Seems good with the media too.
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
Correct. I was a big fan of Herdman and was initially happy with Des or Herd appointment (if you dive a little deeper), I was told by an ex player of his that although he wanted to return to NZ it was likely he would extend with Canada due to his situation. Well that seems his situation may bring him back. Sometimes you can't control things around you and where up may end up. Just because i said he was looking at Canadian extension does not mean he wasnt going to or that i didnt want him for nz job. But run with your narrative...you'll get a few supporters.
More than happy with the Herdman appointment if it can be signed off. The guy has proven he can work with lesser footballing countries and achieve great things. Strikes me as an astute and intelligent coach who can get best out of his players. Seems good with the media too.
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
I guess if its not him its Dads Army with Bazeley and Emblem n co. So be it.
Lets go!
Wait so we might get Herdman? I thought the herd wisdom on here was we didn’t have a monkey’s?
news reporting that Herdman is the #1 target and Pragnell has said they are close to getting it across the line with terms agreed.
Still after all the big ABs coach appointments of my youth (Mains v Hart etc) it is actually exciting and rather gratifying to see such a to do over an AWs role, with several candidates with multiple reasons to commend them to the job.
And we’ll see extra competitive Oceania qualifiers with the second place team into a playoff, so there’ll be fewer dead rubbers.
Hopefully we’ll see AWs coverage and performances to boot!
And we’ll see extra competitive Oceania qualifiers with the second place team into a playoff, so there’ll be fewer dead rubbers.
Hopefully we’ll see AWs coverage and performances to boot!
Correct. I was a big fan of Herdman and was initially happy with Des or Herd appointment (if you dive a little deeper), I was told by an ex player of his that although he wanted to return to NZ it was likely he would extend with Canada due to his situation. Well that seems his situation may bring him back. Sometimes you can't control things around you and where up may end up. Just because i said he was looking at Canadian extension does not mean he wasnt going to or that i didnt want him for nz job. But run with your narrative...you'll get a few supporters.
New deal or extension some thing ffs...but yes i believe that was the plan, however seems his situation has changed (hope all is well btw) so all up in the air. These things happen it football and sometimes overnight. Humility? what you on about now! Keep coming at me for click bait zzz
Wait we could have had Buckingham? So we lost very, very good because they wanted to chase an unlikely version of perfect?
Applications closed on 8 November. Buckingham announced a contract extension on 4 January. Herdman was offered a contract 'early January'.
Not sure why it took 2 months to get a contract offered but it's a question needing an answer if Herdman doesn't end up signing.
None of my friends in the Canadian footy community had heard of this news when I sent them the NewsHub story and they were totally shocked. Haven't seen it in any of the media over there yet either, but could be because the story came out over here when it was fairly late in most parts of Canada. Will check the sites again tomorrow and see if my friends have any further info.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
You'd think if it was Bazely they'd have announced it. A delay in my mind means ongoing negotiations, maybe with the Pheonix or with a coach that wants more money than NZF can offer (but they might be able to sweaten the deal in other ways through sponsor and partner relationships).
you'd hope that was the case, but my guess is just NZF not being on the ball, or still returning from holidays or the fax being swtiched off over the holidays and someone didnt turn it back on.
None of my friends in the Canadian footy community had heard of this news when I sent them the NewsHub story and they were totally shocked. Haven't seen it in any of the media over there yet either, but could be because the story came out over here when it was fairly late in most parts of Canada. Will check the sites again tomorrow and see if my friends have any further info.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
None of my friends in the Canadian footy community had heard of this news when I sent them the NewsHub story and they were totally shocked. Haven't seen it in any of the media over there yet either, but could be because the story came out over here when it was fairly late in most parts of Canada. Will check the sites again tomorrow and see if my friends have any further info.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
As Canadian Fan said we were all heading to bed up here when this news broke, so it was pretty jarring and more than a little confusing.
Using the New Zealand job as leverage against the Canadian Soccer Association job does make a certain amount of sense. It may be poor form, but he also declared unreservedly that he was staying with Canada through 2026 only a couple of months ago. The story broke that he was moving from the Canadian women to the Canadian men before he even told the players he was taking the job and they were blindsided. So having news break before he was ready is familiar territory.
I was trying to figure out why he would go and there are a few reasons that make sense: he’s almost assured of being at the tournament either way, I am curious about the financials, but I would think whatever he gets in New Zealand would go a lot farther than it does in Vancouver even if the compensation is less. I think there’s a chance Jay Herdman could possibly play for Canada (I haven’t seen a lot of him to be honest), but getting a chance to coach him would have appeal. And perhaps the family just preferred life in New Zealand. The biggest thing for me is that the Canada Soccer Association has been a disaster for my entire life and is being run by an absolute moron, so nothing at all would surprise me at this point.
On the other hand, you get a home World Cup with a generation that is the best in the country’s history coming into its prime. There are holes, but there's a really strong core to build around. I think he has unfinished business after the way the World Cup went and even modest success with Canada would only inflate his profile. And significantly, Canada has an excellent chance to qualify for the 2024 Copa America in the United States which has the potential to be a massive, massive tournament with huge crowds and media attention. I would have a hard time turning that down. If he taken the QPR job after the World Cup, that would have made more sense to me... a new challenge, back to England, etc. But going back to New Zealand is a little bit of a head-scratcher from a Canadian perspective.
As Canadian Fan said we were all heading to bed up here when this news broke, so it was pretty jarring and more than a little confusing.
Using the New Zealand job as leverage against the Canadian Soccer Association job does make a certain amount of sense. It may be poor form, but he also declared unreservedly that he was staying with Canada through 2026 only a couple of months ago. The story broke that he was moving from the Canadian women to the Canadian men before he even told the players he was taking the job and they were blindsided. So having news break before he was ready is familiar territory.
I was trying to figure out why he would go and there are a few reasons that make sense: he’s almost assured of being at the tournament either way, I am curious about the financials, but I would think whatever he gets in New Zealand would go a lot farther than it does in Vancouver even if the compensation is less. I think there’s a chance Jay Herdman could possibly play for Canada (I haven’t seen a lot of him to be honest), but getting a chance to coach him would have appeal. And perhaps the family just preferred life in New Zealand. The biggest thing for me is that the Canada Soccer Association has been a disaster for my entire life and is being run by an absolute moron, so nothing at all would surprise me at this point.
On the other hand, you get a home World Cup with a generation that is the best in the country’s history coming into its prime. There are holes, but there's a really strong core to build around. I think he has unfinished business after the way the World Cup went and even modest success with Canada would only inflate his profile. And significantly, Canada has an excellent chance to qualify for the 2024 Copa America in the United States which has the potential to be a massive, massive tournament with huge crowds and media attention. I would have a hard time turning that down. If he taken the QPR job after the World Cup, that would have made more sense to me... a new challenge, back to England, etc. But going back to New Zealand is a little bit of a head-scratcher from a Canadian perspective.
Canada Soccer just tweeted a statement that Herdman is going nowhere and has stated his commitment through to 2026 for Canada. Guess he wanted to bump up his deal and the ‘family emergency’ could’ve been just a delay tactic.
As Canadian Fan said we were all heading to bed up here when this news broke, so it was pretty jarring and more than a little confusing.
Using the New Zealand job as leverage against the Canadian Soccer Association job does make a certain amount of sense. It may be poor form, but he also declared unreservedly that he was staying with Canada through 2026 only a couple of months ago. The story broke that he was moving from the Canadian women to the Canadian men before he even told the players he was taking the job and they were blindsided. So having news break before he was ready is familiar territory.
I was trying to figure out why he would go and there are a few reasons that make sense: he’s almost assured of being at the tournament either way, I am curious about the financials, but I would think whatever he gets in New Zealand would go a lot farther than it does in Vancouver even if the compensation is less. I think there’s a chance Jay Herdman could possibly play for Canada (I haven’t seen a lot of him to be honest), but getting a chance to coach him would have appeal. And perhaps the family just preferred life in New Zealand. The biggest thing for me is that the Canada Soccer Association has been a disaster for my entire life and is being run by an absolute moron, so nothing at all would surprise me at this point.
On the other hand, you get a home World Cup with a generation that is the best in the country’s history coming into its prime. There are holes, but there's a really strong core to build around. I think he has unfinished business after the way the World Cup went and even modest success with Canada would only inflate his profile. And significantly, Canada has an excellent chance to qualify for the 2024 Copa America in the United States which has the potential to be a massive, massive tournament with huge crowds and media attention. I would have a hard time turning that down. If he taken the QPR job after the World Cup, that would have made more sense to me... a new challenge, back to England, etc. But going back to New Zealand is a little bit of a head-scratcher from a Canadian perspective.
I strongly doubt NZF could ever match Canada in the money stakes. NZF may have cash in reserves from the 2010 World cup qualifying bonus but i doubt money is gonna be the thing that we have over Canada.
If this is, as has been suggested, a negotiating tactic by Herdman then NZF are backj to the drawing board with 3 candidates who wanted the job already told they werent wanted. Should they apply again there is always gonna be that "I was the second or third option" feeling hanging over their heads which will create some tension between the manager and NZF.
I hope we do get Herdman and his family issues get resolved quickly.
Canada Soccer just tweeted a statement that Herdman is going nowhere and has stated his commitment through to 2026 for Canada. Guess he wanted to bump up his deal and the ‘family emergency’ could’ve been just a delay tactic.
Yeah unfortunately I think this may be the real situation, we may have been played. I hope not but it seems likely.
Fairly naive from NZ Football really.
NZF and utter incompetence.
Name a more iconic duo…
Name a more iconic duo…
Well this is great isn't it. NZ Football is nothing if not consistent, what a fudge up