My shot-in-the-dark guess is:
GER
GHA
BRA
NZL
New Zealand Women's U-17s
I would have thought Jordan can be beaten, but Spain and Mexico who knows.
Other groups, group D looks like a group of death!
Group B: Veneuzuela, Germany, Cameroon, Canada
Group C: Nigeria, Brazil, England, Korea DRP
Group D: USA, Paraguay, Ghana, Japan
Hopefully this isnt the kiss of death but I have watched a lot of this current crop grow up over the years and for me this would be a group with a greater depth of quality than I have seen in a while and also more depth in goal scoring ability throughout. I have high hopes. Looking forward to this U17 WC more than usual.
Any ideas when the squad is named?
They aren't coming together for pep until late July, and it's normally a month out from the start, so probably late August.
Turnbull was quoted as saying the squad has been recently cut to 25.
http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/turnbull-targets-progression-after-china-setback/
Match Details
China: 6
HT: 4-0
Upcoming Matches
Canada vs New Zealand
4pm, Thursday July 14 (8pm NZT)
Japan vs New Zealand
4pm, Saturday July 16 (8pm NZT)
Subsequently lost 3-0 to Canada and 5-1 to Japan
Well at least they scored a goal against Japan.
Ouch!
I expected us to do better considering our standing in the womens game.
Are there any decent forwards coming through? The Ferns look very weak in this area.
Are there any decent forwards coming through? The Ferns look very weak in this area.
Lily Bray from CHCH is a #10 who knows how to put them in the back of the net. Squad must be due to be announced soon?
Alot of talent coming through the ranks other than Bray, its a matter of developing the younger ones to ensure they don't drop off the radar rather on specific players who peak too soon and do not go on.
NZ U-17s: Turnbull names attacking squad for World Cup
New Zealand Women’s U-17 coach Gareth Turnbull has named an exciting squad to compete in the FIFA Women’s U-17 World Cup in Jordan this month.
The New Zealand side, who won the OFC qualifiers earlier this year in the Cook Islands without conceding a goal, will come up against Mexico, Spain and hosts Jordan in their three pool games in the tournament which runs from September 30 – October 21. Turnbull is looking forward to seeing what his team is capable of at a FIFA World Cup against quality opposition.
“We are really excited to be able to bring this group together as we look ahead to Jordan,” said Turnbull. “The majority of this squad have been together for almost two years and most were on the recent tour of China or in the Cook Islands for the qualifiers. We are excited to test ourselves against Mexico in two weeks’ time.”
Turnbull has named three new players in his 21-strong squad. Ashleigh Emery (Western Springs) comes in as the third goal-keeper alongside forward Saskia Vosper (Forrest Hill Milford) and midfielder Rose Morton (Palmerston North Marist) for their first international call up.
“Ash has been part of our mix for a while and has shown good potential,” said Turnbull. “Saskia has had a great season with Forrest Hill and we see a lot of athleticism and pace in her that will help her cover a couple of positions which will be handy for us as a tournament such as the World Cup. Rose’s sister [Sarah] is part of the 20s and Rose is a younger member and shown a lot of promise and potential every time she has come in. She has performed every time in our environment. So we are excited to give all three of them an opportunity.”
Two players in Sarah Krystman (Claudelands Rovers) and Maggie Jenkins (Wellington United) who played in the OFC qualifiers come back into the fold after missing the recent tour to China.
“Maggie is a next cycle 17s player so she has massive potential,” said Turnbull. “She was away with the Secondary Schools tour of Australia [at the time of the China tour]. “Sarah has taken the disappointment of that non-selection for China incredibly well and deserves her selection and no doubt will be pushing for a starting spot.”
The Michaela Foster-captained team learned a huge amount on the tour of China where they lost the three fixtures to Canada, Japan and China in their first taste of football outside the Oceania region.
“We needed that, we all learned a lot from that experience,” said Turnbull. “The team now has a real benchmark of what top football at this age group is. Partly what we found in China has dictated our selections for this World Cup. We have gone for a group that is a little more athletic and that can compete for three games in eight days. We look forward to retesting ourselves.”
Turnbull said this World Cup is hugely important for the development of future Football Ferns with the FIFA World Cup in 2019 and the Tokyo 2020 Olympics in mind.
“This is a big part of the longer term pathway,” he said. “Looking ahead to Tokyo in four years I am hopeful that there will be a decent representation of this group in that squad. Our main strengths lie in the attacking part of the field. We have some goal scorers and goal threats and we know that we need to score goals to win games. The Ferns is the end goal but we want to perform with distinction at this World Cup and we are going there to win games. There is no two ways about it.”
New Zealand U-17 squad for the FIFA World Cup in Jordan:
Goal Keepers
Anna Leat (East Coast Bays)
Nadia Olla (Norwest)
Ashleigh Emery (Western Springs)
Defenders
Claudia Bunge (Glenfield Rovers)
Ally Toailoa (Papatoetoe AFC)
Michaela Foster (Capt) (Claudelands Rovers)
Rebecca Lake (Coastal Spirit)
Amber Phillips (Palmerston North Marist)
Francesca Grange (Wellington United)
Midfielders
Grace Jale (Eastern Suburbs)
Alosi Bloomfield (Three Kings)
Nicole Mettam (Eastern Suburbs)
Malia Steinmetz (Forrest Hill Milford)
Sarah Krystman (Claudelands Rovers)
Maggie Jenkins (Wellington United)
Rose Morton (Palmerston North Marist)
Forwards
Hannah Blake (Three Kings)
Jacqui Hand (Eastern Suburbs)
Samantha Tawharu (Forrest Hill Milford)
Emma Main (Upper Hutt)
Saskia Vosper (Forrest Hill Milford)
FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup 2016 Fact Box
When: September 30 – October 21
Where: Jordan
The Groups:
Group A: Jordan, Spain, Mexico, New Zealand
Group B: Venezuela, Germany, Cameroon, Canada
Group C: Nigeria, Brazil, England, Korea DPR
Group D: USA, Paraguay, Ghana, Japan
That's a pretty good squad, also great to see a few non Auckland based players included
bring on October
NZ v Mexico Saturday 2.50 am Sky Sport 3 live.
Curtain raiser for the hosts Jordan v Spain at the same stadium in the capital Amman.
Hopefully replays at a decent hour.
Have watched this game in utter dismay. I know a lot of these players, have watched them play for a long time now and they are being asked to play a style of game which doesnt fit the way they have been coached to play. Hudsons ideas look to me like they are being pushed down the age groups as well and if thats true its soul destroying. We have players who since they were 5 years old have been encouraged to dribble, play out from the back and play with the ball on the deck yet we are asking them at international level to bang it long. We had more sophisticated football being played by our footballers in the 1970's.
I am going to struggle to be bothered to watch the AW's in the upcoming friendlies and I have been watching and involved in football here since the 60's.
Have watched this game in utter dismay. I know a lot of these players, have watched them play for a long time now and they are being asked to play a style of game which doesnt fit the way they have been coached to play. Hudsons ideas look to me like they are being pushed down the age groups as well and if thats true its soul destroying. We have players who since they were 5 years old have been encouraged to dribble, play out from the back and play with the ball on the deck yet we are asking them at international level to bang it long. We had more sophisticated football being played by our footballers in the 1970's.
I am going to struggle to be bothered to watch the AW's in the upcoming friendlies and I have been watching and involved in football here since the 60's.
Disclaimer: I havent watched the full game, I dont know any of the players or how "good" they are at dribbling, playing out from the back etc.
Fair enough & I'm no apologist for NZF & its hoofball tactics, but having watched the goals here:
http://www.fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/videos/highl...
the goals conceded looked like they were down to poor positioning, poor technique, very poor game/player awareness & I'll even say laziness !.
Heres my initial take:
Goal 1: As the play develops forward the MEX #11 moves forward, the NZ #5 watching her & doesnt react & initially does nothing then just plods back.. The NZ #4 is unaware someone is behind her & reacts too late. The NZ #6? is standing still in the penalty area looking at an unmarked striker 8 yards out.
Goal 2: Defender misjudges high ball, through keepers legs(fair enough)
Goal 3: At the start of corner the NZ #15 is marking 2 players. She stays with the MEX #4 leaving the MEX #5 totally unmarked. ALL the NZ players are looking at the ball - none are scanning to see where the opposition are. The NZ #10 is casually walking into penalty area marking space, she/someone would have been better standing on far post likely saving a goal. The keeper/defenders are all over the place as the cross comes in.
Goal 4: As play develops no one looks where the MEX players are - all looking at ball again eg NZ #5. (Poor decision of the keeper to go out?) . The MEX #18 is unmarked 8 yards out with 2 x NZ players #6 + #3 3 x yards either side of her. The NZ #6 again reacted to late. Although not involved in the goal the MEX #9 is also unmarked in the box.
Goal 5: Keeper error. I prseume shes attempting to throw it to the wider unmarked player but almost hits her own defender who jumps out of the way to let it run past her & ball isnt thrown strong enough to reach the intended player.
gees. Start by changing the keeper
Have watched this game in utter dismay. I know a lot of these players, have watched them play for a long time now and they are being asked to play a style of game which doesnt fit the way they have been coached to play. Hudsons ideas look to me like they are being pushed down the age groups as well and if thats true its soul destroying. We have players who since they were 5 years old have been encouraged to dribble, play out from the back and play with the ball on the deck yet we are asking them at international level to bang it long. We had more sophisticated football being played by our footballers in the 1970's.
I am going to struggle to be bothered to watch the AW's in the upcoming friendlies and I have been watching and involved in football here since the 60's.
With respect to the goals, yes they were the result of very poor defending.
With respect to the general play if you do get to watch the game do one thing for me. Count how many balls get launched long, keep a running count and while doing that keep a note of exactly how many long balls are successful in finding a player and possession being retained.
With respect to Turnbulls claims that these players are capable of playing a short passing game, he is exactly right, they are capable of doing it well however if thats what he wants the team to do why did they go long so much?
guess this tournament is already over for us and it's only begun.
GT is very much a "play through the thirds" coach. Would be astounded if he's trying to get the team to play any other way.
Ridiculous to claim this lot were pumping it long (at least in the first half - I didn't watch the second and Sky don't seem to be showing a replay). There was clearly a focus on short passing, 1-2s and trying to play players in on the deck, and it looked a far cry from any of the horrid performances the All Whites/Men's age-group teams/even the Football Ferns have churned out of late.
Obviously not great to lose 5-0 - perhaps a bit too open, and also some bad individual errors.
I'd heard this keeper was highly rated so was a bit surprised by her lack of poise, but I guess that's the pressure of the stage.
Ridiculous to claim this lot were pumping it long (at least in the first half - I didn't watch the second and Sky don't seem to be showing a replay). There was clearly a focus on short passing, 1-2s and trying to play players in on the deck, and it looked a far cry from any of the horrid performances the All Whites/Men's age-group teams/even the Football Ferns have churned out of late.
Obviously not great to lose 5-0 - perhaps a bit too open, and also some bad individual errors.
I'd heard this keeper was highly rated so was a bit surprised by her lack of poise, but I guess that's the pressure of the stage.
If you can watch the replay, count how many long balls were played forward and get back to me.
Have watched this game in utter dismay. I know a lot of these players, have watched them play for a long time now and they are being asked to play a style of game which doesnt fit the way they have been coached to play. Hudsons ideas look to me like they are being pushed down the age groups as well and if thats true its soul destroying. We have players who since they were 5 years old have been encouraged to dribble, play out from the back and play with the ball on the deck yet we are asking them at international level to bang it long. We had more sophisticated football being played by our footballers in the 1970's.
I am going to struggle to be bothered to watch the AW's in the upcoming friendlies and I have been watching and involved in football here since the 60's.
Disclaimer: I havent watched the full game, I dont know any of the players or how "good" they are at dribbling, playing out from the back etc.
Fair enough & I'm no apologist for NZF & its hoofball tactics, but having watched the goals here:
http://www.fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/videos/highl...
the goals conceded looked like they were down to poor positioning, poor technique, very poor game/player awareness & I'll even say laziness !.
Heres my initial take:
Goal 1: As the play develops forward the MEX #11 moves forward, the NZ #5 watching her & doesnt react & initially does nothing then just plods back.. The NZ #4 is unaware someone is behind her & reacts too late. The NZ #6? is standing still in the penalty area looking at an unmarked striker 8 yards out.
Goal 2: Defender misjudges high ball, through keepers legs(fair enough)
Goal 3: At the start of corner the NZ #15 is marking 2 players. She stays with the MEX #4 leaving the MEX #5 totally unmarked. ALL the NZ players are looking at the ball - none are scanning to see where the opposition are. The NZ #10 is casually walking into penalty area marking space, she/someone would have been better standing on far post likely saving a goal. The keeper/defenders are all over the place as the cross comes in.
Goal 4: As play develops no one looks where the MEX players are - all looking at ball again eg NZ #5. (Poor decision of the keeper to go out?) . The MEX #18 is unmarked 8 yards out with 2 x NZ players #6 + #3 3 x yards either side of her. The NZ #6 again reacted to late. Although not involved in the goal the MEX #9 is also unmarked in the box.
Goal 5: Keeper error. I prseume shes attempting to throw it to the wider unmarked player but almost hits her own defender who jumps out of the way to let it run past her & ball isnt thrown strong enough to reach the intended player.
G2: think you are going light on that right fullback. Poor closed stance/ball watching - wasn't even aware of where her player was outside her
analyse every goal in every game of football like that and you'd be tearing 99.9% of the world's players to shreds tbf
With respect to the goals, yes they were the result of very poor defending.
With respect to the general play if you do get to watch the game do one thing for me. Count how many balls get launched long, keep a running count and while doing that keep a note of exactly how many long balls are successful in finding a player and possession being retained.
With respect to Turnbulls claims that these players are capable of playing a short passing game, he is exactly right, they are capable of doing it well however if thats what he wants the team to do why did they go long so much?
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analyse every goal in every game of football like that and you'd be tearing 99.9% of the world's players to shreds tbf
As mentioned, I haven't & likely will not see the whole game so my view is purely with the caveat of only seeing the goals from this 1 x game !
I thought the initial post I responded to had the tone that the style of play was the cause of the defeat. In retrospect it was just lamenting the style of play, not the cause of goals etc.
The point I was making was that the defeat (size of) was down to continuous, very basic errors (ball watching, very poor player/game awareness) by several players & what I saw as some laziness which is inexcusable - not just because they (allegedly) played hoofball or the keepers individual poor performance.
If the Coach and/or players come out & say they were told to play hoofball then fair enough, but maybe its the players lack of discipline to follow the plan or maybe more likely a lack of "mental toughness" in a bigger game/stage & so resort to the easy option of just "kicking it away" ?
Wanting a team to do something like play possession football & them doing it are not the same or simply just the specific Coach/ NZF/ Hudson fault .The players have to take some responsibility if they are not following the gameplan..
But even if the team is filled with great passers, has the ability to play out from the back & maintain possession or did just play hoofbal, if:-
- You just watch the ball & dont know where the opposition are - You concede goals
- You dont know how to mark a player - You concede goals
- You dont put an effort in to track player runs - You concede goals
- You saunter around or stand watching unmarked players - You concede goals
These basic errors should have been eradicated before they reach NZ Level. If the above faults are evidenced again in the remaining games that is a far more serious problem than a poor individual performance or the general style of play.
NZ had 47% possession (although admittadly that will be bumped up by kicking off 6 x times ;-) ) which is probably more than the Men had/will have v Mexico so I guess they must have played some football on the deck..
Will be interesting to see the response & player/team performance in the remaining games. I wish them well.
& so resort to the easy option of just "kicking it away" ?
I hate the New Zealand obsession with this. As a child I didn't grow up in NZ so when I first came here and ever since I have been baffled at this concept of kicking the ball away rather than building from the back and playing a good passing game. The technique of many players in New Zealand is poor as a result of simply hoofing the ball upfield rather than trying to pick a pass. It is infuriating to watch quite a few NZ teams when they resort to this. It doesn't work when you're not physically superior and it's a poor, ineffective tactic even if you are.Hoofing and kicking the ball to the opposition as if that's a solution to being under pressure (doing it all the time simply invites more pressure) is a problem that has to be eradicated at all levels of the game in NZ. It's disappointing that this U-17's team is resorting to this, especially if they were coached not to.
Totally agree, they didn't play well, I thought defensive players were lazy, not reading the game well at all, wonder if the coaching style was appropriate at this level, lots of personal errors to correct for the next game, seems like they went into this campaign eyes wide shut on opposition teams imo. Hope they do well
No one's saying they played well - when you lose 5-0 you generally don't. But to describe their preferred method of attack as anything other than short passing is off base.
1st half against Spain. 0-0 at halftime. A much better defensive display as a team, they have kept their shape really well and at one point Spain had 70% possession but the girls kept their discipline. Sadly EVERY time we get the ball we are still simply launching it long, often from within our own defensive third and not a single ball launched forward like this was successful, Why do our senior coaches keep persisting with a tactic that never gives any reward?
The frustrating thing is I know so many of these girls and know this isnt their idea of how to play.
However on the plus side, player for player we are very close to being the equal of Spains in technical terms. Nicole Mettam for me has been the best player out of both teams. Perfect defensive screening of her back four but also when she gets the ball plays simple, quality passes and rarely loses the ball and her first touch is clean, precise and quality. We can actually produce decent players just wish the coaches at international level would give them a game plan that played to their ability and strengths.
The improvement defensively from the first game has been big, the coaching staff deserve some credit for this improvement
fingers crossed for the 2nd half.
Switching to five at the back with the dangerous Spanish striker being (wo)man-marked has helped defensively. Still not seeing these dreadful long balls you are, but will say there's fewer short-passing movements than v Mexico.
Switching to five at the back with the dangerous Spanish striker being (wo)man-marked has helped defensively. Still not seeing these dreadful long balls you are, but will say there's fewer short-passing movements than v Mexico.
I cant believe you arent seeing the long balls??????
Every single time we went forward we went long, often from our own defensive third. How on earht cant you see that??? Every single ball
3 long balls forward in the last minute....
15 to go and the girls deserve to get something from this. Have worked so hard.
jeez! I don't know how no. 20 (our right back) stayed on the whole game?! Keeper was player of the match for us... Or up there!
So many of our girls weren't urgent enough. The ball would be passed to them and they wouldn't check behind them or come to the ball.
And the passing needs to have more weight between our players. The Spanish passes were noticeably stronger.
Our defensive shape seemed Ok. And the girls certainly worked hard. A beauty of a strike that unlocked the dead lock.
But I agree with a lot of what is being said. As soon as we went forward - that's all we did. A big boot. And if we had no big boot we tried to take them on ... But it'd be like 1 or 2 or us versus 4 or 5 of them! No build up from us full.