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Zonal Marking looks at NZ's tactics

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zonal Marking looks at NZ's tactics
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thanks for the link.  It's a good analysis generally - does it do justice to the Serbia game?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd say its a fairly accurate read of the way things will be, maybe a little harsh on our so called deficiencies...I mean were not world class but most of are players are better than the average guy kicking around the lower European divs.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be honest, thought it was a rather superficial overview masquerading as serious analysis.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it was meant to get us caned by Bahrain, then Mexico, then Aussie, then Serbia. I think it goes ok. Nonsense that our forwards do no defending. all of them are asked to do lots of it.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One thing that they mention is the fact that the three strikers do little defending which as indicated in one of their photos leaves ther wide backs with "acres of space".
What they forget is if that wide back goes forward in to that space and attacks what happens when possession is lost and NZ counter attack.... there is a free striker in forward positions and we have a 3 v 3 attack v defence situation. 3 strikers up front has become a very standard way of reducing over lapping wing backs. There are plusses and minuses for the formation, these guys have missed an important positive in their analysis.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I liked the part where they drew pink lines on the players.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
To be honest, thought it was a rather superficial overview masquerading as serious analysis.
 
This.
 
Zonal Marking.net has its moments.  This isn't one of them.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yep, agree with Marius and El G
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Any one can take a couple seconds of images and turn into any story they want. Doesn't make it true.

The three strikers work hard in defence and pressur from the top...
 
Also to say the friendlies aren't that important is crap, people are playing for starting spots... you do not want to lose.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Love Zonal Marking (the site not the tactic).

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Love Zonal Marking (the site not the tactic).


Yeah the sites class, very good analysis for european leagues.

I'm pretty sure it's just one guy, and his not knowing about Brown's injury (as evidenced by the comments section) probably means he doesn't have exactly the same amount of knowledge about our players and tactics.

Good on him for putting up an attempt at least though, some of the previews of teams from other sites has just said stuff like: NZ, unlikely to get a point, let alone score. At least this one makes some comments about our formation and players, even if some points may not be always be entirely correct.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who is this Nelson bloke?

a.haak

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think is is a pretty fair assessment of our general footballing ability and tactics.  Maybe they haven't given our backs to the wall defence enough credit but overall we're not a great side, technically or tactically, when compared against the world's best.
 
Our strikers don't defend wide really, not in comparison to the recent "defensive attackers" (like Kuyt or Park.  They may defend but they don't take responsibility and actually track opposing fullbacks.  Let's not be too thin skinned because someone points out obvious flaws in our set up.
 
Stack wrote:
One thing that they mention is the fact that the three strikers do little defending which as indicated in one of their photos leaves ther wide backs with "acres of space".
What they forget is if that wide back goes forward in to that space and attacks what happens when possession is lost and NZ counter attack.... there is a free striker in forward positions and we have a 3 v 3 attack v defence situation. 3 strikers up front has become a very standard way of reducing over lapping wing backs. There are plusses and minuses for the formation, these guys have missed an important positive in their analysis. [/QUOTE]
 
Maybe if you had three ball playing strikers, but when you've got two target men and one player who despite having a better touch is still fairly slow we don't get ourselves in a position to counter attack.  None of our forwards really looks to initiate counter attacks my moving the ball quickly or running into space.  I haven't seen this NZ side create an actual counter attack other than the one in the final minutes against Bahrain when smeltz scuffed wide, and that was with Wood on the field and Bahrain pressing for the win.
 
It's also very risky to allow fullbacks to bomb on unopposed just to attempt to create a 3 v 3 situation, we can only initiate an attack once we have the ball.
 
Smithy wrote:
[QUOTE=el grapadura]To be honest, thought it was a rather superficial overview masquerading as serious analysis.
 
This.
 
Zonal Marking.net has its moments.  This isn't one of them.
 
Interested to know what part of this you guys disagree with?  We do tend to go diagonally back to front, he's piked up on Leo pushing forward with Lochhead more defensive, our forwards don't really defend wide and we do give up space in wide areas, which is the weakness of the system.  Elliot does pick the ball up from the back four.  At the end of the day we've scored 3 goals in our last 5 matches, one from a corner and two from diagonal balls flicked on.
 
Disclosure: I'm not a fan of 3-4-3
james dean2010-06-03 03:31:27

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think we do have ball playing strikers, the trouble is we dont vary the delivery to them as much as I would like. We have big strikers who also happen to be able to handle the ball at their feet. Speed isnt just a function of how fast someone can move, its also a function of positioning, body position and ball control.
I used the 3 up front recently when i took an Auckland under 15 boys side in a friendly against the NZ womens under 17 side. I was asked to look after the team a day or so before the game, we never got to train together and so on the day of the game I sent the boys out in a bog standard 4-4-2 as I knew they would be familiar with it. The womens under 17 side spent the first half bombing their wide backs forward every chance they got, looking for overlaps etc. We went in at halftime 1-0 down. I changed the boys to 4-3-3 with the wide strikers asked to use the width and push higher. Their wing backs bombing forward stopped, they didnt dare get higher as it left gaps at the back out wide which the boys exploited. Final score 3-1 to the boys.
The point I was making is that the zonal marking website missed that point with respect to 3 up front.
Too often people and coaches look for all the reason things wont work rather that all the reasons things can work. Zonal marking have done exactly that with respect to the 3 up front thing.
Sometimes the best form of defense is attack.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

JD I was just making the point that it was fairly superficial.

It had some misleading generalities in it too.  We in fact do not play a lot of diagonal balls.  We do bang it long to Rory Fallon a lot and look for him to flick it on.  And we do play it wide to Leo Bertos and look for him to beat his man.  But in the entire Serbia game I don't recall the left centre back (Smith) playing a a great number of long diagonal balls to Bertos at wide right, which is what zm.net has said we do.

On the other hand he is right about our forwards not being called upon much to defend, and right about our fitness being crucial (under the pump late in the second half ring any bells from last two games!?).

But overall his point is: 3-4-3 is pretty risky if you don't recover to 5-4-1 when you're defending.  Which is a fact, but a pretty superficial one.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:

But overall his point is: 3-4-3 is pretty risky if you don't recover to 5-4-1 when you're defending.� Which is a fact, but a pretty superficial one.




Exactly.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
its Elliott who plays the diagonal balls not wide backs. Smtih/Reid play balls down the middle- badly sometimes

Founder

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Its good that someone takes us serious enough to warrant an analysis of our tactics. Usually it is "NZ is useless and will get dicked big time by everyone".
 
We do play a narrow channel down the centre of the field. I am a bit surprised that Leo has not been using his speed and try and get to the bye line and whip crosses into the big guys. Maybe Rickie does not want to reveal all our tactics precup. Or it might be that we he is worried that if Leo is too far up the park and turns over possesion then we will be exposed down the flank(with no RB to cover) 
 
What I liked about the Serbia game was that we tried to play the ball out of the back by passing to the feet of players. OK there was quite a bit of diagonal long ball which Fallon normally won but we did look good at times passing.
 
The buildup to Fallons shot on goal was very impressive.....lots of interpassing then a through ball to Wood who held it up nicely for Fallon.
 
I do have a big worry about Paraguay. They do rely on wingers and overlapping fullbacks.....and they are very quick. Our strikers do track back in defense despite what the article said but I doubt they would be quick enough to switch from defending deep to counterattacking effectively.
If Paraguay get through out wide and then get in behind us then we will be in big trouble.....Italy and Slovakia will suit our tactics
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We couldn't really contain Serbia's pace down the wings except by falling on them especially in the second half. So how come they didn't score?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Because Zigic and Pantelic are two massively overrated donkeys?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pantelic was the girly-haired one, right? The one who for the life of him couldn't do anything with all the brilliant crosses that were floated to him?

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