Auckland City FC - Thanks a Trillion

I was kinda wondering where Ali's write up was.... Please, its a forum. Why don't you post up your write up or was mine on the nose?

Fact of the matter, it was not up to the usual standard of games these two sides can produce. None of the games have been this year. So whinge all you like about what you 'think' my opinion is. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you would have figured out most of my obnoxiousness is created by people like you that spout continuous crap about being the best team in Australia (cause you beat CCM) best team in Africa and 5th best team in the world and a breading ground for the good honest coalface grassroots NZ footballers yet the Phoenix are destroying all that is football in this country. Focus on winning your local comp. You can manage that... right?

An ounce of humilty and a degree of perspective and you would find people would revere your club and supporters, not despise it cause its those facets you lack, that I find more offputting than anything else about your club.

How Manko didn't score, I don't know, must have been 80 degrees straight up.  Okay he had to stretch.

A bit of a let off for ACFC.    Thought the second half was good end to end stuff/ better quality.

Still ACFC managed to rest three players to avoid injury and not lose.  I know Ramon has been flogging them, so there was an element of looking pretty stuffed.  Thought Simon Arms was the full quid / a step up from the tentative game he had with Phoenix A.  Nice link up between Xino and Luis for the goal.  More than 30 minutes for Luis.  Great to see Browne going to Tokyo, he is one fast lad. (I know he's played under 17s for PNG, but can we swipe him for NZ???)

It's going to be tough against Sanfrecce but I am sure our lot have a few tricks up their sleeve.

I suspect the Kiwitea Street clubrooms will be open next week for the CWC, kick off 11.45pm 6th December.  Last year a group from Toyota City turned up, which helped make it very friendly.

I think it's great that ACFC is such a community focused club. The local community is putting about $800k a season into Central Utd/ACFC after all, so it only seems fair.

Honestly Ali,  I have no idea what your beef is. You talk about ACFC like nobody else in NZ feels exactly the same way about their own club, whether it's the Phoenix, Team Wellington or Seatoun. But you don't see anybody else here throwing their toys because you only support one of those flash ASB Prem franchises, and don't go and watch enough lower league footy.

Oh and by the way Ali, you also won't find anyone on here getting upset just because you happen to point out that Central League is a lower standard of football than ASB Prem, or that Capital 1 is a lower standard than Central League. Because they are. And as a general rule the lower the standard the fewer people are going to go along and watch. Go figure.

Glad you enjoyed the afternoon - next game at kiwitea st 16th I thibk

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I suspect the Kiwitea Street clubrooms will be open next week for the CWC, kick off 11.45pm 6th December.  Last year a group from Toyota City turned up, which helped make it very friendly.

Should be a good night - see you there

Well said Ali. Now duck as all the negative brigade unload.

A good point Ed. I think a lot of the NZFC players held back to spare any injury depriving them of game time in Japan. Also their focus is clearly on the CWC. I think Simon Arms showed a lot of composure at the back in the face of a good Waitakere attack.The blood and guts of the usual ACFC vs Waitak derby was missing, and I think that had a lot to do with ACFC's minds being on a big upcoming game.

I still say this decent Auckland club is a better side than JV and co maintain. 

You forgot to mention that ACFC has won some $3 million in prizemoney over the past three seasons from their above their weight performances in the O League and Club World Cup and this money has been shared around the ASBP clubs, and the NZF has grabbed a sizeable share. This money has kept alive the ASBP because the NZF don't invest in its own national league. ACFC uses a lot of its own money to put out a team that can win the O league and compete in the CWC.  Its sponsors have been very generous, but a sizeable portion of ACFC's budget comes from its own efforts on the field.

ACFC is a successful little club that invests a lot back in NZ football.

Hey JV, some of have shown a degree of intelligence and that precious once of humility you so crave. No-one is saying ACFC si the best team in Australia, and that the Phoenix is destroying all that is football in NZ. We did have a genuine beef when the Nix was loaded up with Australians and NZ players could hardly get a look in and NZF was pouring funds into the team to keep it afloat while they don't put a cent into the ASBP and in fact take money from clubs like ACFC. Our beef all along has been with the priorities of NZF who don't seem to give a stuff about their own national league.

There has always been a bit of resentment of the Nix because they've got most of the attention and the publicity. When ACFC beat the champions of Africa in 2009 (come on let us enjoy our little moment of being the champions of Africa) we got almost no publicity in NZ. That hurt because it was a brilliant effort.

Now the Phoenix are gearing up to providing a good pathway for young NZ talent into the professional ranks of the A League I applaud what you're doing. I'm a big fan of the A League and always support the Nix. But you are still the glamour boys and we're the little guys so we have to beat our drum a little harder to get noticed. I'm sorry JV sees that as "spout continuous crap". We're trying to have some fun.

I wish we had more like you at ASBP games. You hear so much negativity on the sidelines it can be off putting. So many players/coaches put in a lot of effort for little or no financial return I really appreciate what they do. I get a great deal of pleasure out of watching ASBP games live and I love going to Kiwitea St.

The problem is I think a lot of dispassionate spectators don't enjoy that extra element of entertainment so they find more solace in criticism.

acfc's relationship with the trillian trust does seem very good, but that is their own good work being rewarded

other franchises are not excluded from such funding avenues

and if they either don't have either the nouse or the willing to fully explore them, this isn't acfc's fault

true

whatever it is, all franchises have access to trust funding

some are just better at getting it than others and that's not their fault for being good at generating funds

reg22, you are either completely ignorant of how gaming trust funding in NZ really works or you are being wilfully deceitful.

Perhaps a better way of putting it is that it's not the fault of other ASB Prem teams that they are based in areas where the local trusts distribute funds in a more even and fair manner.

Reg I agree with term-X.  Though you are probably neither completely ignorant nor willfully deceitful.  I'm an Southern man Reg.  Perhaps we are the poorest franchise in terms of $$, but Otago boys tend to not like taking it up the you know what, or selling their souls for the pokie ka-ching thing.  Jaffas may like a bit of that from time to time - I dunno, I'm not one thank God.  The ASB Prem is an inequitable comp Reg...I like what JV says about that from time to time.  So yeah go hard ra-ra Auckland City at the World Club Champs.  Go you Kiwi Spanish pretend-to-be amateur semi-pro pros whatever you wanna call yourselves boys who are blind and deaf an dumb.  And go me - I'm gonna have a Speights now. That's my rant for the year.

 Hi, just out of interest, which are these trusts that distribute funds in a more even and fair manner? Every time I've looked they've all been pretty damned lopsided, usually in favour of the codes that need money the least. As far as I can see Trillian are exactly the same, only with a focus on football. I'd be hesitant to bag them, to be fair.

Wasn't it something like 1.5 mil between Central and ACFC per year? Chuck in some CWC money, I don't see major renovations getting done every year... 

I had heard (and it was a rumour so it could well be baseless) that Adidas dropped them because of the cost of funding the kit so they went with Nike as a default next best option. With the kind of money they have, they could well buy 20 kits...

ACFC haven't actually posted their 2011 accounts on societies.govt.nz yet but prior to that it's usually been around $800-850k average for both ACFC and Central combined.

Have to wonder where that money goes, in an amateur side. 

Hmm, thought there was another thread called 'bitch fight' for the usual disagreements.

In the meantime ACFC have landed in Japan.

Let's see if is true about Sanfrecce pushing up high and taking risks.

From what I saw of the Japan men's team a couple of years back, the first 10 minutes will be frenetic.

There is no box for anyone but the media and a room for the refs.

The reality is that this is definitely a community club and there is an eye watering amount of voluntary work.

Everything else is way over stated.

Ed - with regards to the football, I think that City will not progress past sanfrecce as from what I've seen this year they are below the standard of last year. I hope I'm wrong but City really miss Ian Hogg and haven't quite gelled yet - maybe it will all come together next week.

I have no problem with City or their funding streams. They just seem to do it better than most and do more of it. Most franchises will have one or two 'amateurs' that work for the club as coaching coordinators or similar as their only form of income. That differs wildly from a pro player that just gets paid to play and train. City are also lucky to have Trillian on board who fund coaches salaries ( many trusts don't) as well as being happy to fund the club as their prefered recipient. There are plenty of rugby and racing clubs that have similar arrangements with others. Another point in their favour is that Trilian have most of their venues in Auckland, therefore greater income and a greater amount to distribute. In the smaller markets the trusts give a large amount of cash to the likes of rugby unions and clubs and other well run organizations so the local franchises and soccer clubs really have to be on their game to get a fair share of the spoils available.