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Auckland City FC - Thanks a Trillion

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almost 13 years ago

My write up and photos from today's Auckland City vs Mont Dore game are here. I have used this post to take a bit of a swipe at Oceania...

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2013/04/13/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-oceania/

Some interesting points raised, but a few misconceptions too.

For instance a team from New Guinea did win the O League (against Waitakere in 2010) and went to the Club World Cup and pocketed the $700,000 prizemoney. So it's not fair to say the O League money is all going to NZ.

Tahiti is going to the Confederations Cup representing Oceania and won $1.5 million to boot by beating the All Whites. So again, more Fifa prizemoney is being spread around Pacific Island football. They just have to win to get it.

While the result against Monte Dore was lopsided and more reflected ACFC's continued improvement, in past O League qualification games the results in the islands in particular have been close and reflect growing improvement of their teams. This is especially true in the Francophone areas and Solomon Islands. Only a few weeks ago Dragon of Tahiti earned a draw at Fred Taylor Paddock against the ASBP champions. 

Splitting up the widely spread Asian confederation would be viable but it's not going to happen as it would have to entail added Fifa voting rights.

Opening up the Fifa Club World Cup to Asian and A league teams would probably mean the end of NZ participation in the competition and losing that funding would probably mean the end of our national league as NZF shows no interest in investing in it. The current O League and CWC is a funding lifeline for our national league and as I've pointed out is spreading money around the Pacific.

 

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almost 13 years ago


ACFC versus AS Dragon ( 14 Tahitian internationals, i.e. practically the team representing Oceania in next Confed Cup) 3 pm Trusts Stadium today. Free entry to ACFC season ticket holders.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:


ACFC versus AS Dragon ( 14 Tahitian internationals, i.e. practically the team representing Oceania in next Confed Cup) 3 pm Trusts Stadium today. Free entry to ACFC season ticket holders.

So if ACFC comfortbaly beat Dragon, who are effectively the Tahiti team going to the Confederations Cup, then Herbert should resign the All Whites as well for letting the AW lose to them.

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almost 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 The All whites did not lose to Tahiti. They didn't even play them.

Don't let facts get in the way of another good ACFC yarn News...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:


ACFC versus AS Dragon ( 14 Tahitian internationals, i.e. practically the team representing Oceania in next Confed Cup) 3 pm Trusts Stadium today. Free entry to ACFC season ticket holders.

 

Flares optional.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:


ACFC versus AS Dragon ( 14 Tahitian internationals, i.e. practically the team representing Oceania in next Confed Cup) 3 pm Trusts Stadium today. Free entry to ACFC season ticket holders.

 

Flares optional.

 

It is Henderson ...so I wouldve thought obligatory....

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almost 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 The All whites did not lose to Tahiti. They didn't even play them.

Ok they lost to New Caledonia and they lost to Tahiti - amounts to almost the same thing.

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almost 13 years ago

But the Phoenix A beat Waitakere, who beat you guys to the title so how can you claim to have Ricki out when when you are no better than a reserve side. - amounts to almost the same thing.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

bad news for Waitak.

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almost 13 years ago

3-1. Game. Set. Match.

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almost 13 years ago

3-1... What's going on, 12-2 then lose 3-1, I can't understand the O-League sometimes

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:
So if ACFC comfortbaly beat Dragon, who are effectively the Tahiti team going to the Confederations Cup, then Herbert should resign the All Whites as well for letting the AW lose to them.


Well.  This is awkward.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:


ACFC versus AS Dragon ( 14 Tahitian internationals, i.e. practically the team representing Oceania in next Confed Cup) 3 pm Trusts Stadium today. Free entry to ACFC season ticket holders.

So if ACFC comfortbaly beat Dragon, who are effectively the Tahiti team going to the Confederations Cup, then Herbert should resign the All Whites as well for letting the AW lose to them.

This is awkward.

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almost 13 years ago

3-1 Dragon!


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almost 13 years ago

So if Waitakere draw with Dragon, and Auckland lose to Dragon, does that make Waitakere the equal 3rd best team in world? Amounts to almost the same thing...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

I'd be interested to know how the centre-backing superstar Mario Bilen went in this game.

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almost 13 years ago

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?

Normo's coming home

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almost 13 years ago
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
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almost 13 years ago

FU BLU wrote:
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
You mean, you were beaten by a better team?!?! Surely not. This was one to win comfortably. There is no way that an Island team could beat ACFC. Say it ain't so...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Why does everything come back to the Phoenix with you guys? Even when youre playing O league. We don't even play in the same competition, I don't understand the 'rivalry' you seem to act like we have. 


Allegedly

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james dean wrote:

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?


No. Top 2 go through to semis, so ideally they will be playing each other in the final.





















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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

FU BLU wrote:
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
You mean, you were beaten by a better team?!?! Surely not. This was one to win comfortably. There is no way that an Island team could beat ACFC. Say it ain't so...

You must have enjoyed this result.

It goes to show - the island teams are getting better. First Hekari oust Waitakere from the O League in 2010, then New Caledonia upset the All Whites and knock them out of the Confederations Cup and now effectively the Tahiti national side (as Dragon) draw away to Waitak and beat City.

It certainly makes this weekend's Kiwitea Street clash between City and Waitak interesting. City really need to win this one. You'll just have to grit your teeth and try to ignore the passionate ACFC fans JV. 

I still think City and Waitak will make the top two in their group but Dragon could snatch second spot with home games to come. That'll be the big question - how will City and Waitak cope in the heat of Tahiti?

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almost 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

james dean wrote:

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?


No. Top 2 go through to semis, so ideally they will be playing each other in the final.























Does make you wonder if there was more than just O League tv scheduling to Oceania's decision to take City's home game against Dragon away from the pressure cooker of Kiwitea Street and play it at a more neutral venue at a time when many working City fans couldn't attend. A desire to see City's stranglehold on the O League broken perhaps?

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almost 13 years ago

Uhhh no.... That's just conspiracy and bitterness talking, of course it didn't make a big difference. Unless you agree with Bily Harris.....

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Trueblue wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

james dean wrote:

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?


No. Top 2 go through to semis, so ideally they will be playing each other in the final.



Does make you wonder if there was more than just O League tv scheduling to Oceania's decision to take City's home game against Dragon away from the pressure cooker of Kiwitea Street and play it at a more neutral venue at a time when many working City fans couldn't attend. A desire to see City's stranglehold on the O League broken perhaps?


Tin foil hat anyone?

You grizzle about lack of Television or coverage of any kind then when this is made possible through the scheduling that was arranged it becomes a conspiracy?

The ground is what, 15 kms away from your beloved Kiwitea street?. Surely such a bunch of passionate fans could take a couple of hours off work to travel that far?

You should also ask Dragon if they thought it was a Neutral ground.

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almost 13 years ago

N-Bomb wrote:

Uhhh no.... That's just conspiracy and bitterness talking, of course it didn't make a big difference. Unless you agree with Bily Harris.....

 

Absolutely !!! Theres no such thing as " Home advantage " every commentator knos thus !!

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almost 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

james dean wrote:

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?


No. Top 2 go through to semis, so ideally they will be playing each other in the final.



Does make you wonder if there was more than just O League tv scheduling to Oceania's decision to take City's home game against Dragon away from the pressure cooker of Kiwitea Street and play it at a more neutral venue at a time when many working City fans couldn't attend. A desire to see City's stranglehold on the O League broken perhaps?


Tin foil hat anyone?

You grizzle about lack of Television or coverage of any kind then when this is made possible through the scheduling that was arranged it becomes a conspiracy?

The ground is what, 15 kms away from your beloved Kiwitea street?. Surely such a bunch of passionate fans could take a couple of hours off work to travel that far?

You should also ask Dragon if they thought it was a Neutral ground.

 

ACFC fans travelled... and sang and cheered... and drowned (momentary) sorrows. Next weekend should be a cracker!

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Why does everything come back to the Phoenix with you guys? Even when youre playing O league. We don't even play in the same competition, I don't understand the 'rivalry' you seem to act like we have. 

 

It's football innit.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I'd be interested to know how the centre-backing superstar Mario Bilen went in this game.

 

Couldn't handle the rain.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

FU BLU wrote:
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
You mean, you were beaten by a better team?!?! Surely not. This was one to win comfortably. There is no way that an Island team could beat ACFC. Say it ain't so...

You must have enjoyed this result.

It goes to show - the island teams are getting better. First Hekari oust Waitakere from the O League in 2010, then New Caledonia upset the All Whites and knock them out of the Confederations Cup and now effectively the Tahiti national side (as Dragon) draw away to Waitak and beat City.

It certainly makes this weekend's Kiwitea Street clash between City and Waitak interesting. City really need to win this one. You'll just have to grit your teeth and try to ignore the passionate ACFC fans JV. 

I still think City and Waitak will make the top two in their group but Dragon could snatch second spot with home games to come. That'll be the big question - how will City and Waitak cope in the heat of Tahiti?

Actually no. As I said, I don't care who wins the O League, as long as its an NZ team and the funds come back here. What I am enjoying is watching you fap about now after the 'should comfortable beat them' and now its 'oh the home ground advantage' conspiracy.

You were not at the game, neither was I. One of your fellows has posted that you played like shit and were beaten by a better side. For once in your miserable life, actually admit you were beaten by a better team. This is why no one likes your lot. Cause you carry on like prize clowns.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

james dean wrote:

I have no idea how the table looks but is there now an incentive to manipulate the rest of the games so that waitak wins it and ASBP teams keep receiving that cash?


No. Top 2 go through to semis, so ideally they will be playing each other in the final.























Does make you wonder if there was more than just O League tv scheduling to Oceania's decision to take City's home game against Dragon away from the pressure cooker of Kiwitea Street and play it at a more neutral venue at a time when many working City fans couldn't attend. A desire to see City's stranglehold on the O League broken perhaps?

Oh dear. Time for a cup of tea and a lie down?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

FU BLU wrote:
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
You mean, you were beaten by a better team?!?! Surely not. This was one to win comfortably. There is no way that an Island team could beat ACFC. Say it ain't so...

You must have enjoyed this result.

It goes to show - the island teams are getting better. First Hekari oust Waitakere from the O League in 2010, then New Caledonia upset the All Whites and knock them out of the Confederations Cup and now effectively the Tahiti national side (as Dragon) draw away to Waitak and beat City.

It certainly makes this weekend's Kiwitea Street clash between City and Waitak interesting. City really need to win this one. You'll just have to grit your teeth and try to ignore the passionate ACFC fans JV. 

I still think City and Waitak will make the top two in their group but Dragon could snatch second spot with home games to come. That'll be the big question - how will City and Waitak cope in the heat of Tahiti?

Actually no. As I said, I don't care who wins the O League, as long as its an NZ team and the funds come back here. What I am enjoying is watching you fap about now after the 'should comfortable beat them' and now its 'oh the home ground advantage' conspiracy.

You were not at the game, neither was I. One of your fellows has posted that you played like shit and were beaten by a better side. For once in your miserable life, actually admit you were beaten by a better team. This is why no one likes your lot. Cause you carry on like prize clowns.

I think JV if you had the integrity to put your real name to your posts you'd be a little less prone to abuse of ACFC fans.

My life is neither miserable nor am I a prize clown. But you are often fast and free with the personal abuse, while hiding. Lighten up for heaven's sake.

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N-Bomb wrote:

Uhhh no.... That's just conspiracy and bitterness talking, of course it didn't make a big difference. Unless you agree with Bily Harris.....

Oh so if the Phoenix were moved from the caketin to Lower Hutt for a crutial game and had to play at 3pm on a weekday you'd all be saying "makes no difference?" Come on. It's a shame the game wasn't played at Kiwitea Street on a weekend, it should have been. In reality City vs Dragon has turned into the big match-up of the group.

Home advantage does matter for crutial games like this. Having said that ACFC had enough chances to beat Dragon and actually I like the fact the Island teams are becoming more competitive. Good on them. It would have been a great game in compact Kiwitea Street full of noisy ACFC fans.

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

FU BLU wrote:
ACFC positively Pnix like today...really dreadful....
You mean, you were beaten by a better team?!?! Surely not. This was one to win comfortably. There is no way that an Island team could beat ACFC. Say it ain't so...

You must have enjoyed this result.

It goes to show - the island teams are getting better. First Hekari oust Waitakere from the O League in 2010, then New Caledonia upset the All Whites and knock them out of the Confederations Cup and now effectively the Tahiti national side (as Dragon) draw away to Waitak and beat City.

It certainly makes this weekend's Kiwitea Street clash between City and Waitak interesting. City really need to win this one. You'll just have to grit your teeth and try to ignore the passionate ACFC fans JV. 

I still think City and Waitak will make the top two in their group but Dragon could snatch second spot with home games to come. That'll be the big question - how will City and Waitak cope in the heat of Tahiti?

Actually no. As I said, I don't care who wins the O League, as long as its an NZ team and the funds come back here. What I am enjoying is watching you fap about now after the 'should comfortable beat them' and now its 'oh the home ground advantage' conspiracy.

You were not at the game, neither was I. One of your fellows has posted that you played like shit and were beaten by a better side. For once in your miserable life, actually admit you were beaten by a better team. This is why no one likes your lot. Cause you carry on like prize clowns.

I think JV if you had the integrity to put your real name to your posts you'd be a little less prone to abuse of ACFC fans.

My life is neither miserable nor am I a prize clown. But you are often fast and free with the personal abuse, while hiding. Lighten up for heaven's sake.

Keep deflecting. Makes no difference to me. You really should lighten up. Its a forum after all.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

N-Bomb wrote:

Uhhh no.... That's just conspiracy and bitterness talking, of course it didn't make a big difference. Unless you agree with Bily Harris.....

Oh so if the Phoenix were moved from the caketin to Lower Hutt for a crutial game and had to play at 3pm on a weekday you'd all be saying "makes no difference?" Come on. It's a shame the game wasn't played at Kiwitea Street on a weekend, it should have been. In reality City vs Dragon has turned into the big match-up of the group.

Home advantage does matter for crutial games like this. Having said that ACFC had enough chances to beat Dragon and actually I like the fact the Island teams are becoming more competitive. Good on them. It would have been a great game in compact Kiwitea Street full of noisy ACFC fans.

Still peddling that conspiracy theory huh. You should lighten up. Perhaps a cup of tea and a lie down?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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