Pre-season game between Canterbury United and Southern United started around an hour late after the Southern bus broke down when heading to Timaru.
Any match report?
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Pre-season game between Canterbury United and Southern United started around an hour late after the Southern bus broke down when heading to Timaru.
Any match report?
Below is from the Southern United facebook page (hopefully bus is all sorted for their game against Tasman in ChCh tomorrow):
Final score in the Seniors is a 2-2 with Canterbury United Dragons. We scored a goal in each half through Garbhan Coughlan & Omar Guardiola who both looked sharp. Canterbury scored equalisers in each half but we played some good football, encouraging stuff with the ISPS Handa Premiership kicking off soon!
We have another preseason match at 12pm tomorrow against Tasman United at English Park in Christchurch.
The Youth side had an entertaining match against their Cantabrian counterparts. Final score 5-4 to Canterbury but lots of encouraging signs as plenty of combinations were tested out.
From The Press: Dragons vs. Southern United pre-season wrap
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/97668264/f...
I see former Dragon's player - Brock Messenger has been named in the Eastern Suburbs squad for the Premiership.
Anyone heard if CU have had confirmation yet on earlier kick off time for match v Weenix in welly on Nov 11 (NZv Peru 4:15pm)
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Anyone heard if CU have had confirmation yet on earlier kick off time for match v Weenix in welly on Nov 11 (NZv Peru 4:15pm)
I've seen a couple of tweets saying NZ Football have declined the request, but that was 3-4 days ago so unsure if there was a further appeal
Anyone heard if CU have had confirmation yet on earlier kick off time for match v Weenix in welly on Nov 11 (NZv Peru 4:15pm)
this is complete madness game due to KO at 2pm at DaveyF while NZ game starts at 4:15, there might be a couple that go to the first half, won't be any media as they will all be at the stadium. There are 2 dates later in the season, (in feb and Mar) where there are Handy games on and neither Weenix or Canterbury are playing AND TW's are away so no ground issues in Wellington
There is also a womens National League game on at Petone (KO 1pm) - at least with that you'd be able to get to the cake tin in time for the kick off of the Peru game
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From 'The Press' - Dragon's at Full Strength for Opener (4:35pm Sunday at English Park)
First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
Yip, true story, although from his tweets it looks like he was watching the Tasman game...
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First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
Why do referees think they are sacrosanct at this level surely they need to be judged? They are no longer just putting their hand up to do something that is akin to refereeing young Johnny's game
First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
Why do referees think they are sacrosanct at this level surely they need to be judged? They are no longer just putting their hand up to do something that is akin to refereeing young Johnny's game
Referees do not think they are sacrosanct, each referee has been nominated and gone through a panel and testing to get to the National League, the referee will have been working with a team and also had an assessor at the game that will have given feedback on his performance. If as you say he was warning people and not following up with cards, then I'm sure he will hear that from the assessor.
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First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
i simply will not take my kids to a senior football game because of the foul attitude that players have towards the ref, the opposition and often their team mates
i do not want them to think that this is how sport is played
i will however, take them to a local club rugby game
it's interesting that this chap you mention above, having just arrived in the country, also thinks the attitude stinks and that from his POV it's a new zealand problem. for me, that makes it even worse.
Anyone who thinks that abuse of the referee is a NZ problem obviously does not have a television.
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Anyone who thinks that abuse of the referee is a NZ problem obviously does not have a television.
Ah, y'see I thought about this and there is a bit of a difference between 20,000 largely anonymous people chanting 'The referee's a wanker' and three people calling him a fudgeing idiot for 90 minutes.
I’m not going to pretend I haven’t used some seriously over-ripe language off the pitch watching New Zealand football, or back in the UK. A decade ago, during Graham Poll’s last refereeing job he disallowed a goal which would have seen Portsmouth finish in a UEFA Cup spot (look, we were good once). Within a minute or two 17,000 odd Portsmouth supporters singing ‘Oh Graham Poll, is a f**king a**ehole’ to the Andy Cole song.
In New Zealand it’s a bit different, and it’s a lot politer. That’s because of scale I guess. The football community is not big enough for the sort of collective anonymity which comes with large crowds, and the slackening of certain social expectations around politeness that comes with it. It’s difficult to dish up a steaming serve to a referee when you’ll be drinking next to him in the bar later, the same with opposition players.
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Just because it is a problem overseas as well doesn't mean we shouldn't be addressing it though. Its bloody awful and needs to be fixed.
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Anyone who thinks that abuse of the referee is a NZ problem obviously does not have a television.
Wasn't one of the Journo's points - "Who do they think they are? They're lucky to have four officials"
I.e., they're relatively mediocre footballers playing in a semi amateur league and they're running around like they're Luis Suarez or something.
Not acceptable from the pros, definitely not acceptable in the lonely parks of New Zealand.
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
What has the age of the referee got to do with it?
You heard no abuse, but saw frustration from players and spectators. Can I ask, respectfully, how this frustration manifested itself?
As Patrick has said above, a challenge which warrants a red card is exactly that, a challenge which warrants a red card. Irrespective of whether the player has been warned previously, or it is his first challenge, of any kind, in the game.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
What has the age of the referee got to do with it? Experience
You heard no abuse, but saw frustration from players and spectators. Can I ask, respectfully, how this frustration manifested itself? Lack of follow through after continued warnings for fouls. Empty threats of bookings with no follow through results in perceived 'soft' ref which will then results in things 'bubbling over'. No problem with the way he referee the game in most parts thought he had a solid game.
As Patrick has said above, a challenge which warrants a red card is exactly that, a challenge which warrants a red card. Irrespective of whether the player has been warned previously, or it is his first challenge, of any kind, in the game. Agree with this. Yet to see footage so stand to be corrected on my dubious call.
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
As Patrick has said above, a challenge which warrants a red card is exactly that, a challenge which warrants a red card. Irrespective of whether the player has been warned previously, or it is his first challenge, of any kind, in the game. Agree with this. Yet to see footage so stand to be corrected on my dubious call.
Valley FC til I die?
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You heard no abuse, but saw frustration from players and spectators. Can I ask, respectfully, how this frustration manifested itself? Lack of follow through after continued warnings for fouls. Empty threats of bookings with no follow through results in perceived 'soft' ref which will then results in things 'bubbling over'. No problem with the way he referee the game in most parts thought he had a solid game.
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You haven't actually answered the question I asked. You've said what will happen in a situation you described. I asked, specifically in this game, you heard no disrespect aimed at the officials but saw frustration from players and spectators and I am curious how this frustration you've mentioned showed itself. How did things 'bubble over' in this game, other than the challenge for the RC, which looked more ill timed and ill advised than ill tempered to me, to be honest
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Is this a referee issue? Or a player issue?
The game on Sunday I watched at English Park saw a young referee continue to warn players particularly Waitak players and do absolutely nothing when they continued to foul. I did not hear any lack of respect for officials (swearing etc) but did see frustration from players and spectators when the warnings progressed to nothing when fouls were continued to be committed. Culminating in a dubious red card for Canterbury who had not had any warnings.
As Patrick has said above, a challenge which warrants a red card is exactly that, a challenge which warrants a red card. Irrespective of whether the player has been warned previously, or it is his first challenge, of any kind, in the game. Agree with this. Yet to see footage so stand to be corrected on my dubious call.
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You heard no abuse, but saw frustration from players and spectators. Can I ask, respectfully, how this frustration manifested itself? Lack of follow through after continued warnings for fouls. Empty threats of bookings with no follow through results in perceived 'soft' ref which will then results in things 'bubbling over'. No problem with the way he referee the game in most parts thought he had a solid game.
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You haven't actually answered the question I asked. You've said what will happen in a situation you described. I asked, specifically in this game, you heard no disrespect aimed at the officials but saw frustration from players and spectators and I am curious how this frustration you've mentioned showed itself. How did things 'bubble over' in this game, other than the challenge for the RC, which looked more ill timed and ill advised than ill tempered to me, to be honest
There was no disrespect shown just pleading to actually come down harder on the fouls, hacks and shirt pull backs etc. No point continuously warning without actually getting tougher.
Also the 'bubbling over' comment was a generalisation of games when the referee continues to warn and players continue to commit fouls and nothing more than another warning is given.
First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
i simply will not take my kids to a senior football game because of the foul attitude that players have towards the ref, the opposition and often their team mates
i do not want them to think that this is how sport is played
i will however, take them to a local club rugby game
it's interesting that this chap you mention above, having just arrived in the country, also thinks the attitude stinks and that from his POV it's a new zealand problem. for me, that makes it even worse.
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
i simply will not take my kids to a senior football game because of the foul attitude that players have towards the ref, the opposition and often their team mates
i do not want them to think that this is how sport is played
i will however, take them to a local club rugby game
it's interesting that this chap you mention above, having just arrived in the country, also thinks the attitude stinks and that from his POV it's a new zealand problem. for me, that makes it even worse.
I'm a consumer ad consumer's have options and this option doesn't appeal to me and I'm guessing many others because of the behavior.
I'll go and enjoy a game myself, but my kids are aged 5, 9 and 11. Do you think I want them watching a bunch of petulant foul mouthed Twits play a sport half-well?
There's no 'quiet part of the ground' that can stop them from seeing or hearing the hollering of abuse that you see at local and national league games
There are other options, including the Phoenix, that show them how to play sport properly.
I was wondering too, if this is a recent escalation?
My last central league game was about 7 or 8 years ago and i know it wasn't as bad as what i see now. Players let go of the occasional f-bomb in frustration or expression, and there was always low key banter with the refs, but not this level of abuse.
I mean, no one would ever protest a decision with 'fudgety fudgy fudge fudger ref'
I just wonder if this is something that has been let slip and it's taking a while for those in charge of the league to realise and then do something about it
First game at English Park for a while, still gobsmacked about the lack of respect for the officials. I personally can't stand the oval ball game, but I did watch the AB's on Sat nite and at one point, one of the SA's had a crack at the ref who instantly marched them 10m, the level of respect is worlds apart. In our game the Ref and lino's put up with constant talk from the players.
Interesting to see a journo from the UK (Bradford) who has moved to NZ and is now working for Fairfax comment on it...
i simply will not take my kids to a senior football game because of the foul attitude that players have towards the ref, the opposition and often their team mates
i do not want them to think that this is how sport is played
i will however, take them to a local club rugby game
it's interesting that this chap you mention above, having just arrived in the country, also thinks the attitude stinks and that from his POV it's a new zealand problem. for me, that makes it even worse.
I'm a consumer ad consumer's have options and this option doesn't appeal to me and I'm guessing many others because of the behavior.
I'll go and enjoy a game myself, but my kids are aged 5, 9 and 11. Do you think I want them watching a bunch of petulant foul mouthed Twits play a sport half-well?
There's no 'quiet part of the ground' that can stop them from seeing or hearing the hollering of abuse that you see at local and national league games
There are other options, including the Phoenix, that show them how to play sport properly.
Well said. There's a huge number of players at this level and in regional leagues who severely over-estimate their own ability and importance and act like a bunch of spoilt brats on the pitch. It amazes me how many refs we do have, given the rubbish they have to put up with every week
Interesting how you've leapt from the petulant foul-mouthed twits to criticising the quality of the league with one jump there reg.
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Hugely unfair on Moses Dyer tbh.
Then again there's only one league in the whole world which does have a Ronaldo or Messi playing in it.
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ha ha, yes well said :-)
also to be fair the standard of the league shouldn't dictate my degree of tolerance toward sub standard player behaviour, especially when i think that the league is doing quite well in that regard
The #14 for Waitak right in front of the grass bank when a ball went out for a throw in walked up the AR and about 1m away from him and about 5m away from us screamed out 'Guess? - don't fudgeing guess'
Our kids all looked at each other and giggled
Banging goal from Hoyle.
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I've heard the Dragons v Weenix game in Wellington on 11th November has been rescheduled to a date in the new year. Anyone in a position to confirm this?
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