Match day program - looks like they've added James Pendrigh.
Match day program - looks like they've added James Pendrigh.
Yes international clearance now completed
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So..... what is the excuse going to be this time? Aaron Clapham injured again? Not going to go far without his pens and free kicks! Also have to question the team selection and possibly substitutions. Does Willy know what he doing I’m not so sure
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So..... what is the excuse going to be this time? Aaron Clapham injured again? Not going to go far without his pens and free kicks! Also have to question the team selection and possibly substitutions. Does Willy know what he doing I’m not so sure
After a decent result first up there seemed to be a number of unforced changes?? Knight,was massive, but thought Turipa was first choice?! Liddicoat and Schwartz both quality touches but lack pace, Spain is NOT a RB/WB, Wilson is not up to it, Morris and Ogilvie work hard but seems to be a lack of options and movement beyond, Mitchell shows flashes but goes missing, Hoyle while his workrate is high lacks quality and ability to break lines (not up to this level, despite last weeks corker), Guam lad looked good at times but as with Mitchell to often didn't provide any impetus going forward, like the look of the other lad (can't remember his name). Chang is terrible, fullstop and adds nothing!! Terris is way past it but still involved somehow, seriously? Clapham who we know has the quality is also past his best. Left with 10 to go so missed goal, could be a long season ahead if today is anything to go by! Who is actually coaching is my question?
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I've heard the Dragons v Weenix game in Wellington on 11th November has been rescheduled to a date in the new year. Anyone in a position to confirm this?
Sound like a statement on the game will be made early this week.
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Disappointed Canterbury have dropped 5 out of 6 points at what was supposed to be a home fortress thus year. Saw last week but not today. Did we build up from the back some more today? Rather than GK hitting long. Although to be fair Coey is excellent at it. Also a question. Was Matthysen not picked due to too many overseas players? Wouldn't you rather have him than Juan Chang?
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
I think his assistant you are talking of is more qualified than he?? Would he be able to provide a better standard across the board?
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What you mean a coach from Universitys div 1 and MPL experience a mickey mouse Oceania B License and zero experience of playing or involved at a proffesional level?...i dont think so
Guess what I'm saying is despite what you think re coaching level he may be more qualified. I'd have no idea if they just hand out Oceania badges, have you completed one to have more information?
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Coaching badges are not always a reflection of a good coach
From what we have had from Willy and co for the past 2/3 years is bad player choices (import wise) and terrible local league selections based on weekly performaces in the MPL.
Obtaining coaching badges is going to a course doing what you are asked and getting a peice of paper.
No one wanted Gerdson in the north island and i am not having a coach from Universitys div 1 and MPL competant at making player selections and choices at this level,the evidence is what we are seeing now.
Tasman is a good example of a good coach doing the right things with players that are not great when they play for Nelson and as for Hawkes Bay, as much as the coach is crazy, he played at a pro level and has been the biggest acheiver in the league over the past 3 years given the budget and whole team clear outs he has each year
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How The Press saw the Dragon's 1 - 0 loss to Tasman United today:
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Clapham who we know has the quality is also past his best.
He's 30, ya mug.
As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers
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Clapham who we know has the quality is also past his best.
He's 30, ya mug.
He can still be 30 and past his best,which he is, mug
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
Teams get 18 tickets paid each away trip, as part of their entry fee.
So that's 11 starters, five subs, two coaches.
I'm not sure who Canterbury takes as additional staff instead of subs.
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
You are correct, It is a disgrace and it happened all through last season! I don't care how good he was in Sunday league! Any body who lives locally and is not playing in the MPL should not be suiting up for Canterbury United. When the board stops ripping us off and making us pay to watch the youth team, I would love to go and watch Joe Hall play and prove he's a better player than any of the youth players!
I would absolutely pay to watch the youth team when they get as well looked after as Chang!
P.S. When does the new Japanese signing arrive?
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
You are correct, It is a disgrace and it happened all through last season! I don't care how good he was in Sunday league! Any body who lives locally and is not playing in the MPL should not be suiting up for Canterbury United. When the board stops ripping us off and making us pay to watch the youth team, I would love to go and watch Joe Hall play and prove he's a better player than any of the youth players!
I would absolutely pay to watch the youth team when they get as well looked after as Chang!
P.S. When does the new Japanese signing arrive?
Had not heard of a new signing, interesting then...
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
You are correct, It is a disgrace and it happened all through last season! I don't care how good he was in Sunday league! Any body who lives locally and is not playing in the MPL should not be suiting up for Canterbury United. When the board stops ripping us off and making us pay to watch the youth team, I would love to go and watch Joe Hall play and prove he's a better player than any of the youth players!
I would absolutely pay to watch the youth team when they get as well looked after as Chang!
P.S. When does the new Japanese signing arrive?
Had not heard of a new signing, interesting then...
I think he's already here, but some guy from the Chippie in Westminster Street has been playing in his 10 shirt! It's ok though he can't travel to Auckland next week as he's got a double shift at the chippie!
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Exactly,
Gerdson out of his depth in player selection etc and as for his amatuer assistant...terrible
As for the players, young kids and most of the other MPL players not even good enough to compete week in week out at MPL level.
As for Ogilvie,Chang and the other imports just look at the level they have been at before coming here!
700 fans turning up is poor compared to seasons gone past.
Time to ditch Gerdson and get men back playing to at least compete
OK. let's talk sensibly here. Who's paying $10 to watch that again? with no option to pay $5 and go home after the youth game? (paid my $10 and $2 for a programme and they couldn't be bothered putting the Tasman youth team in it! Probably time for Mainland to hire a marketing person!) Not me! Our team has demotivated our best player/2016 captain/All White. Last weeks man of the match (by a long mile) couldn't get on the field. We play an over stayer in midfield who will be lucky to play again this year, not because of his immigration status but because he's not very good! Ask the Polish coach again how many times he spoke to Lyle Matthysen before he signed for Tasman! I'll give you a clue it was between -1 and 1! Young Bryon Heath in the youth team is the form player in Canterbury at the moment and will not get a game under the current arrangement of playing poorly performed Canterbury qualifying league players and overstayers.
Hey Board members! I've spoken to some of you and put my opinion forward! I am happy to be proven wrong, but success wont come if you stick with the status quo! Our team needs a management staff that puts a Canterbury team on the park that doesn't go down limply to Nelson and Otago! Send the current guy back to Warsaw and get Clappy and Terris back on the park! And players that understand what Canterbury is and means!
Some great points here, and couldn't agree more. If Clapham can forget the its all about me attitude, then we will see the benefits but im not so sure. Playing for Canterbury used to mean something, but thats been missing for years
Thanks for your support! Disagree with your "all about me attitude" Clappy is our best local product and you may have confused him carrying the team with selfishness! When in a healthy environment he dominates and scores crucial goals. It's ok if he's not available next week though because Joe Hall is travelling to Auckland as one of the 3 outfield subs! Here's a scenario for you! Chang misses the bus to Kiwitea Street (like that sitter today), 2 injuries in the first half, do you bring Joe Hall on? or the reserve goalie in the middle of the park?
I hope what your saying is not about costs, if so its a disgrace! I did hear Joe is a pretty decent Sunday league player though
You are correct, It is a disgrace and it happened all through last season! I don't care how good he was in Sunday league! Any body who lives locally and is not playing in the MPL should not be suiting up for Canterbury United. When the board stops ripping us off and making us pay to watch the youth team, I would love to go and watch Joe Hall play and prove he's a better player than any of the youth players!
I would absolutely pay to watch the youth team when they get as well looked after as Chang!
P.S. When does the new Japanese signing arrive?
Had not heard of a new signing, interesting then...
I think he's already here, but some guy from the Chippie in Westminster Street has been playing in his 10 shirt! It's ok though he can't travel to Auckland next week as he's got a double shift at the chippie!
Brilliant
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what a disgrace charging to watch an amateur youth team play!
Disagree about Terris , has not played game the past few years at any level and Clapham has shown no interest in recent times also
Time for a clear out
Long way to go this season yet though
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Longtime listener, first time caller.......
Why hasn't anyone mentioned that English park is a dog to play on?!?!? the surface is not conducive to free flowing football.
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Longtime listener, first time caller.......
Why hasn't anyone mentioned that English park is a dog to play on?!?!? the surface is not conducive to free flowing football.
Welcome to the forum.
With no disrespect this should play to Canterbury's advantage don't they train on it? and play more games than anyone else on it? Would be interesting to see the home stats under Willy compared to pre Willy - AllWhites82?
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
Fantastic work yet again, Gavin.
So, (and I am probably not the only one surprised here) Willy is the 2nd most successful Dragon's coach so far !
Looking at the numbers, (and I apologise to everyone from Canterbury - I love the people and the region, honestly !) , I cannot help thinking there is a constant stream of underachievement clearly visible in these numbers. I am personally not from Canterbury (and my broken English reveals I am not even from NZ), and cannot tell what is causing this. But, maybe it is not just the coach that is the problem...
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
Thanks AllWhites82. Great work as always. Is that Home and away? Do you have home stats?
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
Fantastic work yet again, Gavin.
So, (and I am probably not the only one surprised here) Willy is the 2nd most successful Dragon's coach so far !
Looking at the numbers, (and I apologise to everyone from Canterbury - I love the people and the region, honestly !) , I cannot help thinking there is a constant stream of underachievement clearly visible in these numbers. I am personally not from Canterbury (and my broken English reveals I am not even from NZ), and cannot tell what is causing this. But, maybe it is not just the coach that is the problem...
If you take into account win and draw Willy is the most successful coach.
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And the Dragons home / away record since the 2015-16 season
| P | W | D | L | |
| Home | 18 | 8 | 3 | 7 |
| Away | 16 | 6 | 6 | 4 |
| Total | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 |
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And the Dragons home / away record since the 2015-16 season
| P | W | D | L | |
| Home | 18 | 8 | 3 | 7 |
| Away | 16 | 6 | 6 | 4 |
| Total | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 |
As a percentage they take points 75% of the time on the road!
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And the Dragons home / away record since the 2015-16 season
| P | W | D | L | |
| Home | 18 | 8 | 3 | 7 |
| Away | 16 | 6 | 6 | 4 |
| Total | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 |
As a percentage they take points 75% of the time on the road!
Yes, 3 out of 4 games. Great numbers game to play for us who love the numbers and stats.
I would really like to see the same stats for Auckland, Waitakere, TW and HBU.
HBU in particular (am a great fan of theirs) ... I just feel that HBU are doing better in the National league than the Cantabrians, and they really shouldn't based on the relative size of the region, population etc.
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By those stats, I'm happy to judge Gerdsen at the END of the season, not 2 games in.
I think one relevant point to this discussion is the leagues from which players are drawn to play for a national league club. Is the Mainland league overall weaker than say Central league, which essentially supplies a good bulk of 4 teams - Teedubs, WeeNIx, HBU and Tasman ;)
Contrast that with MPL; I believe the only winter based Chch based players playing for a non Canterbury side are 2 youngsters - Lyle to Tasman and Aidan to Southern.
The other factor is the environment created by coach and club (budget, support team, coaching ability and playing style etc).
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
Thanks AllWhites82. Great work as always. Is that Home and away? Do you have home stats?
Yes Home and away - here are the home stats
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 42 | 16 | 13 | 13 | 38.10% | 30.95% | 30.95% |
| Korouch Monsef | 11 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 27.27% | 9.09% | 63.64% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 36 | 22 | 5 | 9 | 61.11% | 13.89% | 25.00% |
| Stu Devine | 8 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 25.00% | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 18 | 8 | 3 | 7 | 44.44% | 16.67% | 38.89% |
| Total | 115 | 51 | 24 | 40 | 44.35% | 20.87% | 34.78% |
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By those stats, I'm happy to judge Gerdsen at the END of the season, not 2 games in.
I think one relevant point to this discussion is the leagues from which players are drawn to play for a national league club. Is the Mainland league overall weaker than say Central league, which essentially supplies a good bulk of 4 teams - Teedubs, WeeNIx, HBU and Tasman ;)
Contrast that with MPL; I believe the only winter based Chch based players playing for a non Canterbury side are 2 youngsters - Lyle to Tasman and Aidan to Southern.
The other factor is the environment created by coach and club (budget, support team, coaching ability and playing style etc).
Yes, the relative strength of the MPL vs CL etc...All valid points. Exactly what I am hoping to understand after/during this discussion.
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Another important stat with the Premiership is making the play-off and reaching the Grand Final - here are the records for that:
| Season's In Charge | Play-offs | Grand Final | |
| Danny Halligan | 3.5 | 1 | 1 |
| Korouch Monsef | 1.5 | 0 | 0 |
| Keith Braithwaite | 5 | 4 | 1 |
| Stu Devine | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Willy Gerdsen | 2 | 1 | 0 |
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I agree it should be an advantage. But how many times have you seen the dragons dominate possession (particularly late in games) and when they get to the final third and the ball speed needs to be quicker, 1 and 2 touch, the ball gets trapped under feet and it becomes a scrape for possession in and around the box.
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Here you are onthemoney - Dragon's record coach by coach
| Coach | P | W | D | L | W % | D% | L% |
| Danny Halligan | 73 | 29 | 14 | 30 | 39.7% | 19.2% | 41.1% |
| Korouch Monsef | 25 | 5 | 3 | 17 | 20.0% | 12.0% | 68.0% |
| Keith Braithwaite | 70 | 35 | 12 | 23 | 50.0% | 17.1% | 32.9% |
| Stu Devine | 16 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 25.0% | 12.5% | 62.5% |
| Willy Gerdsen | 34 | 14 | 9 | 11 | 41.2% | 26.5% | 32.4% |
| Total | 218 | 87 | 40 | 91 | 39.9% | 18.3% | 41.7% |
The Coach with the worst % is probably the best Coach.
I rate Willy both as a person and a Coach. Some of the Dragons failings appear to be structural as opposed to anything he appears to be doing (or not doing)
First thing that should happen is an open and transparent process for the Youth Dragons. Maybe if that' house is in order Players would want to progress to the National League side.
Interesting comments on Byron Heath. I assume he chose to be involved in NZ U17. He was in the NTC squads leading up to it.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
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