Yeah great result but i think its all too late.Canturbury with a game in hand, if they win that then its a 6 point gap from 4th-5th
Hawke's Bay United
Yeah great result but i think its all too late.Canturbury with a game in hand, if they win that then its a 6 point gap from 4th-5th
really needed to pick up a point last week against TW. That was the season in a microcosm; couldn't find the net!
I think with the way results have been going they still in with a chance, considering how average the results have been have to be happy to still be in the hunt still
Football: Hawke's Bay United show what might have been after victory over Eastern Suburbs
Hawke's Bay Today - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11983777
Hawke's Bay United left a calling card for any national summer campaigners who may be smug about making the cut after they beat Eastern Suburbs in Palmerston North yesterday.
The Thirsty Whale-sponsored Bay side beat the second-placed Suburbs 2-0 in the ISPS Handa Premiership with second-half goals to Tinashe Marowa (52nd minute) and Japan import Hayato Wakino (75th) after a scoreless first spell at Memorial Park.
"In some ways it makes reading these results harder because I've always said that we should have got something out of last week's game," said coach Brett Angell, alluding to the 3-2 loss to defending champions Team Wellington in the previous round.
Angell felt yesterday's outcome over Suburbs was the performance they were waiting for.
"We played for the full 90 minutes, our energy levels were good and we've had to improve on that so it's a shame we have been in that situation a little bit from the physical point of view."
However, the Englishman said the collective saw the benefits of what was possible when everyone adhered to the game plan.
"As we know scoring goals changes the complexion of a game and Tinashe got the first one with a nice composed finish and it was actually the same for the second one."
Marowa came through the transfer window this month from Tasman United to reignite his flagging fortunes after a trial with A-League campaigners Wellington Phoenix didn't eventuate last year.
Fellow midfielder Wakino had jetted home for Christmas but only returned this week after his grandmother felt ill.
Angell also lauded reserve goalkeeper Mackenzie Waite, coming in for concussed Ruben Parker Hanks, for a critical save.
Football: Hawke's Bay United show what might have been after victory over Eastern Suburbs
Hawke's Bay Today - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11983777
Hawke's Bay United left a calling card for any national summer campaigners who may be smug about making the cut after they beat Eastern Suburbs in Palmerston North yesterday.
The Thirsty Whale-sponsored Bay side beat the second-placed Suburbs 2-0 in the ISPS Handa Premiership with second-half goals to Tinashe Marowa (52nd minute) and Japan import Hayato Wakino (75th) after a scoreless first spell at Memorial Park.
"In some ways it makes reading these results harder because I've always said that we should have got something out of last week's game," said coach Brett Angell, alluding to the 3-2 loss to defending champions Team Wellington in the previous round.
Angell felt yesterday's outcome over Suburbs was the performance they were waiting for.
"We played for the full 90 minutes, our energy levels were good and we've had to improve on that so it's a shame we have been in that situation a little bit from the physical point of view."
However, the Englishman said the collective saw the benefits of what was possible when everyone adhered to the game plan.
"As we know scoring goals changes the complexion of a game and Tinashe got the first one with a nice composed finish and it was actually the same for the second one."
Marowa came through the transfer window this month from Tasman United to reignite his flagging fortunes after a trial with A-League campaigners Wellington Phoenix didn't eventuate last year.
Fellow midfielder Wakino had jetted home for Christmas but only returned this week after his grandmother felt ill.
Angell also lauded reserve goalkeeper Mackenzie Waite, coming in for concussed Ruben Parker Hanks, for a critical save.
How Anendra Singh is employed as a journalist continues to confound me. Constantly get a headache trying to make sense of his gibberish.
Football: Hawke's Bay United show what might have been after victory over Eastern Suburbs
Hawke's Bay Today - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11983777
Hawke's Bay United left a calling card for any national summer campaigners who may be smug about making the cut after they beat Eastern Suburbs in Palmerston North yesterday.
The Thirsty Whale-sponsored Bay side beat the second-placed Suburbs 2-0 in the ISPS Handa Premiership with second-half goals to Tinashe Marowa (52nd minute) and Japan import Hayato Wakino (75th) after a scoreless first spell at Memorial Park.
"In some ways it makes reading these results harder because I've always said that we should have got something out of last week's game," said coach Brett Angell, alluding to the 3-2 loss to defending champions Team Wellington in the previous round.
Angell felt yesterday's outcome over Suburbs was the performance they were waiting for.
"We played for the full 90 minutes, our energy levels were good and we've had to improve on that so it's a shame we have been in that situation a little bit from the physical point of view."
However, the Englishman said the collective saw the benefits of what was possible when everyone adhered to the game plan.
"As we know scoring goals changes the complexion of a game and Tinashe got the first one with a nice composed finish and it was actually the same for the second one."
Marowa came through the transfer window this month from Tasman United to reignite his flagging fortunes after a trial with A-League campaigners Wellington Phoenix didn't eventuate last year.
Fellow midfielder Wakino had jetted home for Christmas but only returned this week after his grandmother felt ill.
Angell also lauded reserve goalkeeper Mackenzie Waite, coming in for concussed Ruben Parker Hanks, for a critical save.
How Anendra Singh is employed as a journalist continues to confound me. Constantly get a headache trying to make sense of his gibberish.
don't think he was actually at the game yesterday
You get used to him I think. He is also the paper's Sports Editor, so good luck in getting rid of him lol
There is no doubt that Anendra is different but you must admit that he is never boring. Having moved back here a few years ago, I have got to know him a bit and he is very passionate about football.
Like his reporting or not, we are very lucky here in Napier to have a reporter happy to write and publicise both HBU and NCR - the good and the bad. I know that there are other areas envious of the newspaper and radio support that we get here.
Does better coverage of HB football than the Herald does of Auckland football.
Hawke's Bay United FC
HAWKE'S BAY UNITED APPEAL ANGELL SUSPENSION
Media Release 3-1-18
Thirsty Whale Hawke’s Bay United have appealed the one game match suspension handed out to Head Coach, Brett Angell following his sending off in Round 8 of the ISPS HANDA Premiership vs Tasman on 10 December 2017. The club received written notice of the suspension on the afternoon of Friday 15 December. From there a request was made for the full written ‘Terms of the Decision’ to the NZF Competitions Director and Competitions Manager, Daniel Farrow and Kevin Forde respectively.
These ‘terms’ were received Tuesday 19 December by Hawke’s Bay United.
Hawke’s Bay United formally lodged the appeal with the New Zealand Football Disciplinary Committee via the Competitions Director on Thursday 28 December 2017 and are currently awaiting a decision. It should be noted Head Coach Angell has already served the one match suspension during the Round 9 away match to Canterbury United Dragons.
Hawke’s Bay General Manager, Shane McKenzie had the following to say on the appeal:-
“Although Brett has already served the suspension, in this instance the club believes there are, in our eyes enough discrepancies between the various reports and the reasoning for our coach been ejected from the match and additionally suspended for one further game that an appeal had to be lodged. We have not taken this decision lightly and will now await the outcome from the NZF Disciplinary Committee……In the meantime we look forward to our first home game of 2018 vs Hamilton Wanderers at Park Island this Sunday (7 January) at 2pm.”
This is as embarrassing as Angell's behaviour on the sidelines - the board should be holding him to account as to why he is acting in a way that leads to him being unable to do his job (coach the team from the sideline because he is banned) rather than this kind of silliness.
He misses matches every year, meaning he is unable to do his job. If you were on the board wouldn't you be focused on stopping him doing that rather than getting into battles with NZF? Is there any evidence his constant ref baiting helps the team?
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
If your goal is to stop abuse of refs then surely blaming refs is not the answer. The whole point is that refereeing is never going to be perfect so it cannot be an excuse for abusing refs to say "he got the decision wrong" or that poor officiating means it's ok. The whole point is that the referee's decision has to be accepted either way. It's endemic in football but I think the franchise appealing the decision provides cover to Angell when end of the day he is in the wrong and his behaviour needs to change.
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
There is more in the HB Today this morning about the suspension. It looks like NZF is playing silly buggers in providing the full details behind the suspension ad HBU have had to go back for more in depth reasoning. also looks like CCTV footage doesn't support the reasons given at the time for his ejection.
No doubt, he can be a pillock on the side line but officials can also be unreasonable and a law unto themselves. Both parties probably need to lift their game and this might go towards that. The HBU Board aren't knee jerk artists, I trust them to be making this stand for good reasons.
My personal view is that his behaviour on the sidelines is unacceptable and he needs to be called to account, whether that is by referees on the day, NZF more generally or the franchise. I don't think the franchise is doing itself any favours by disputing it as to me that can be read as an endorsement of his behaviour. He is close to the line in every single match so when he gets pinged it looks petty to me for the franchise to appeal - even if they are in the right in this case
It isn't Angell's place to hold the officials to account, no matter how bad they are.
So who's job is it? and if they are not doing that, what then? By your own description I would of thought you understood why he explodes. How about addressing that then rather than shooting someone [Angel]that seems prepared to take them to task? If nothing else, this whole exercise will put officialdom on notice that they can't just make up shark on the fly as they will now be called on it. They have been allowed to get away with this kind of stuff for too long because you and other clubs aren't prepared to make a stand. I applaud them [HBU] for taking this action.Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of his behaviour but that behaviour and of others like him [and maybe you] is bought upon because of inconsistency and perceived injustice. I think needs to be addressed equally as boorish sideline behaviour and disrespect shown to officials. Fix all of the problem, not just the easy part.
It's the job of the Referee Manager at NZF
The refs make bad calls sometimes, but they certainly aren't bad enough to warrant the abuse Angell gives them. Rest assured they are constantly working on their refereeing and trying to improve. Angell works himself into a lather over completely correct calls as well, so you can't palm it off on the refs by saying its all because they made a bad call.
Bad calls happen. Its part of the game. Angell should get the fudge over himself.
Everything you mentioned there should be addressed, including the hard stuff. But lets start with the easy shark, like the muppet in charge of HBU.
It's the job of the Referee Manager at NZF
The refs make bad calls sometimes, but they certainly aren't bad enough to warrant the abuse Angell gives them. Rest assured they are constantly working on their refereeing and trying to improve. Angell works himself into a lather over completely correct calls as well, so you can't palm it off on the refs by saying its all because they made a bad call.
Bad calls happen. Its part of the game. Angell should get the fudge over himself.
Everything you mentioned there should be addressed, including the hard stuff. But lets start with the easy shark, like the muppet in charge of HBU.
The refs make bad calls sometimes, but they certainly aren't bad enough to warrant the abuse Angell gives them. Rest assured they are constantly working on their refereeing and trying to improve. Angell works himself into a lather over completely correct calls as well, so you can't palm it off on the refs by saying its all because they made a bad call.
Bad calls happen. Its part of the game. Angell should get the fudge over himself.
Everything you mentioned there should be addressed, including the hard stuff. But lets start with the easy shark, like the muppet in charge of HBU.
I wouldn't say I'm equally bad, because I know when to shut up and I've never been sent off or banned for my dissent, just a healthy collection of yellows.
I do like that you ignored every argument I made in the last post and decided to get personal instead.
So who's job is it? and if they are not doing that, what then? By your own description I would of thought you understood why he explodes. How about addressing that then rather than shooting someone [Angel]that seems prepared to take them to task? If nothing else, this whole exercise will put officialdom on notice that they can't just make up shark on the fly as they will now be called on it. They have been allowed to get away with this kind of stuff for too long because you and other clubs aren't prepared to make a stand. I applaud them [HBU] for taking this action.Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of his behaviour but that behaviour and of others like him [and maybe you] is bought upon because of inconsistency and perceived injustice. I think needs to be addressed equally as boorish sideline behaviour and disrespect shown to officials. Fix all of the problem, not just the easy part.
"Perceived injustice" is a pretty weak basis to defend how he behaves week in and week out. I'm sure he believes he is hard done by but that's not really the issue is it. Why do other managers not behave the same way - the same refs are refereeing them as well.
Angell moans at every decision so not really sure how you can make out that he is some sort of honest crusader for improving refereeing standards.
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
Jamie Dunning
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
Jamie Dunning
Central Football Development officer is Leon Birnie, who works under Development Manager Brett Angell. Jamie Dunning is youth team coach and assistant coach for men's team. He is also coach for Napier Marist who won the HB Premiership last season. Point is there is alignment and close working relationships between Central Football and HBU, which was is a strategic focus for both organisations.
I believe the Marist side is mainly made up of youth aged players also this past season.
I believe the Marist side is mainly made up of youth aged players also this past season.
yep, just the wiley old keeper (Toddy) and a couple of other older guys
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
It would be great to try see HBU somewhat team up with Massey Football in Palmerston North. Get these young FTC players on scholarships for accommodation, a year of study etc allow them to play winter footy there in the Federation League (Ideally win promotion to central league, since there is no Palmy team now) then come back to the bay for the summer season. Keeping them in the central football federation would be a huge boost.
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
It would be great to try see HBU somewhat team up with Massey Football in Palmerston North. Get these young FTC players on scholarships for accommodation, a year of study etc allow them to play winter footy there in the Federation League (Ideally win promotion to central league, since there is no Palmy team now) then come back to the bay for the summer season. Keeping them in the central football federation would be a huge boost.
Yeah thats not a half bad idea if it kept them in the federation and wanting to play HBU. The list is endless of players who have left HB at 18/19 that could have played national league. But unfortunately its more then just the students, Andy Bevin would be a good example, went state side then has come back and settled in Wellington for work, so only makes sense for him to play down there.
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
It would be great to try see HBU somewhat team up with Massey Football in Palmerston North. Get these young FTC players on scholarships for accommodation, a year of study etc allow them to play winter footy there in the Federation League (Ideally win promotion to central league, since there is no Palmy team now) then come back to the bay for the summer season. Keeping them in the central football federation would be a huge boost.
Yeah thats not a half bad idea if it kept them in the federation and wanting to play HBU. The list is endless of players who have left HB at 18/19 that could have played national league. But unfortunately its more then just the students, Andy Bevin would be a good example, went state side then has come back and settled in Wellington for work, so only makes sense for him to play down there.
to WFA - better still, why not get HBU to team up with Napier City Rovers. The majority of players are already there and they don't have to win the Federation League or get promotion to Central League. Think of the saving in accommodation, travel, etc.
I think once they get rid of the biggest clown in Nz Football Brett Angell. They might keep the young players!!
Nah, its pretty clear that Angell's players like playing for him and rate him as a coach. His performances with the squads he's had recently are testament to that. Its just a pity that he's a Twit on the sideline.
Angell's been there 3 years now, got to the final in his first season, finished 2nd in the league last season, only reason they haven't really got up there this year is that he hasn't managed to replace the goals of Sam Mason-Smith, but they are still a useful team
Think the reaction from his players after he was sent off at Team Wellington last year shows he is well liked and respected by them
Hawke's Bay is like Nelson in that it will always have the problem of young kids leaving as there is no Uni in the town
Nah, its pretty clear that Angell's players like playing for him and rate him as a coach. His performances with the squads he's had recently are testament to that. Its just a pity that he's a Twit on the sideline.
Quids in Robertson is the coach next year.
Nah, its pretty clear that Angell's players like playing for him and rate him as a coach. His performances with the squads he's had recently are testament to that. Its just a pity that he's a Twit on the sideline.
Quids in Robertson is the coach next year.
there have no players in town for 10 years.
Great to see 6 youth players under the age of 18 in the squad today with 3 of them starting! All have come through local ftc and hbu system. The central football development manager obviously doing something right in the region. Anyone know who it currently is?
On down side they will likely only be about for a season or 2 before they move out of region for uni...
It would be great to try see HBU somewhat team up with Massey Football in Palmerston North. Get these young FTC players on scholarships for accommodation, a year of study etc allow them to play winter footy there in the Federation League (Ideally win promotion to central league, since there is no Palmy team now) then come back to the bay for the summer season. Keeping them in the central football federation would be a huge boost.
Yeah thats not a half bad idea if it kept them in the federation and wanting to play HBU. The list is endless of players who have left HB at 18/19 that could have played national league. But unfortunately its more then just the students, Andy Bevin would be a good example, went state side then has come back and settled in Wellington for work, so only makes sense for him to play down there.
to WFA - better still, why not get HBU to team up with Napier City Rovers. The majority of players are already there and they don't have to win the Federation League or get promotion to Central League. Think of the saving in accommodation, travel, etc.
ol'sole unless something has dramatically changed in the last 5 years can't see NCR and HBU doing that as the old boys on the board at NCR didn't particularly have a good relationship with HBU just before I left the bay. I'm guessing from your suggestion and inside knowledge of NCR that has change. On another note NCR have hardly had a clear youth pathway recently if u19 results over the last to years reference point. Finish both behind Marist and Havelock...
Honestly, get off the we hate Brett Angell bandwagon, the guy is a seriously good coach and I can tell you that certain players have turned down much better financial rewards in order to play for him. Unless you've actually been inside the dressing room or worked with him on the training pitch you honestly have no idea how much he gets out of his players - results back this up. Aside from being a great coach the guy is pretty intelligent and the banter at times second to none. Not one single player didn't not stand behind him following the Wellington incident last season and those with a chip on the shoulder because you preferred previous (and less successful coaches) away from the football pitch need to get over yourselves.