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http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=cookovich&board=4325&sid=&mode=read&action=392887

2nd post down... a classic example of the entrenched ex-pat whining that has held the game back for decades (note this is not a general statement about all ex-pats just a few Auckland ones).

We're not all that ignorant here mate.

My experience is that there are plenty of exceptions Buffy, but also an awful lot of 'HappyTed's as well.

"we're not Auckland

8500 is still more than 95% of the Kingz/Knights game. The previous best crowd for a Knights/Kingz game was 13400, IN WELLINGTON.

The ridiculous thing is that there are guys in Auckland that are perfectly reasonable and went a long way try to make it a success, but here you have so called football supporters proving that they are complete imbeciles.

I have a good idea who HappyTed is and the country would be a far better place if he f**ked off back where he came from.  He'll probably be in town on Saturday telling everyone how New Zealanders don't know how to support football teams... when he's sitting there hoping that a New Zealand football team fail.

Not adding anything to this thread. Just a great excuse to give my new signature another airing

Actually, I think the two biggest Kingz crowds were in Wellington. 13,400 and then around 11,000.

So what was the biggest ever Kingz/Knights crowd in Auckland?

No disrespect sire but I think the relevant answer is who gives a f**k

Kingz/Knights/Auckland = Pathertic
Phoenix/Wellington = Successful (thus far)

Whats next expecting us  to call you by just a symbol.Mmmm now there something to think about.
ballane2007-12-10 21:41:27

You're nothing but a Scotsman, you're nothing but a Scotsman

  All in the name of geographical accuracy lads.
Jag2007-12-10 22:06:02

Hey baiter I'll be there on saturday mate
you got anything to say you come see me!!!
I never said NZ'ers dont know how to support football teams
i just dont understand how there are suddenly 10000+ football fans in
Wellington now you have an A-League team?
I'm sure Team Wellington would be professional if 10000+ fans turned up to there games
and these 10000+ fans were nowhere to be seen at the NZ v Vanuatu game where they?
great fans they are.
As for Waitakere why would i support them in any tournament?
They got in to the O-League by default Manawatu should of been there fair play to them for winning it (which should of won Cain coach of the year not that idiot you have as a coach)
but the fact that they got in there says a lot about the state of NZ football.
as for which i choose to live in thats none of your f**kin business and isnt a football related matter!!!

I feel a "who r ya" comming on.

Whats to understand Happy - Wellington have a team in the a-league we are averaging over 10k in crowds, the week the AW were playing there was no advertising about it, NZFC dropped the ball there blah blah blah - it been discussed. I think our point is that you seem to be taking pleasure in the fact that the attendance figures dropped for one or two games. theprof2007-12-12 11:17:08

Both Gray, and Miserable... an asset to the game you are Ted.  Such a positive public face for Auckland City Football Club.

I'd really like to know what motivates someone like Happyted. Does he really hope the Phoenix fail and if so why? 

The attitude is inexplicable.  I always supported the Knights when they played, couldn't have cared less that they were based in Auckland.  Is HappyTed Paul Henry?

Quite, and surely a successful Phoenix has a benefit for football in NZ as a whole? Good grief - if Wellington Phoenix succeed doesn't that bolster the argument for more NZ teams in the A-League? Happyted how would you suggest we raise the profile of the game - what is your alternative to a NZ side in the A-league and how would you propose it would work - realistically? Do you even have any positive ideas about how the game should go forward?

Happyted does not speak for me, and I am an Auckland City FC supporter. The Phoenix are absolutely vital for New Zealand football and while I am desperate to see another team in the A-League (and I believe that team should be Auckland City FC), I hope that the Phoenix flourish and are successful.

See the red card comment on the features for a similar view. The real big question Daikiwi is, where do you play it??

Valleyboy
i think we should be trying to get pro teams playin in the nz league, If 10000 turned up at Team Wellington every week that would be possible, imagine the crowds at Otago canterbury and other venues if you had pro teams playin there every week and yes maybe if the phoenix are succesful we could get more teams in A-League but if you promote one team at the expense of the NZFC were are future A-League players gonna come from? In my opinion the NZFC isnt strong enough yet to supply enough A-League players anyway
and do you think it is fair that Seatter is trying to get Wellington Phoenix into the O-League at the expense of NZFC teams?
You could any probably will finish in the bottom half of the A-League this year and still get into the O-League  ahead of an NZFC team
and were is the Phoenix youth policy?
do they have any plans to put a team in the National Youth league?
and they could be trying to keep good young players in this country instead of them
going to college teams in the states by offering them scholarships in NZ?
As for whoever said there wasnt any advertising of NZ v Vanuatu game, I obviously dont know what if any promo the game had in wellington but if at least 10 people that i know flew down form Auckland for it the promo of the game clearly wasnt to bad in the rest of the country
as for Daikiwi of whoever you are when did i say i spoke for you or ACFC
good idea the 2-4-1 tickets though for this weekend for A-League and NZFC will be interesting how many turn up

There simply isn't the money to get pro teams playing in the NZ league. But we do have the money for a pro team to play in the A-league, so we should all support it. And personally, I'd rather see the Phoenix go to the World Club Championships even if we come last in the A-league and Auckland come first in the NZFC. NZFC teams in the WCC have been woefully out of their depth in that tournament and that is damaging not only to the club, but to NZF. If we keep having teams in the WCC having performances like Auckland and Waitakere did then without a doubt we will lose our spot in the tournament, losing us a lot of money, and hurting the NZFC. So if the Phoenix put a good showing in at the WCC, there is less chance Oceania would lose its spot, and the NZFC and NZF would still make money.

Interesting points not that i agree with all of them but surely a Phoenix team that finished bottom of the A-League would be out of there depth at WCC?

Certainly not as much as an NZFC side would be.

Ten people, lead by Nola and Cookie, an email to one person about an All Whites game would get them and eight Aucklanders down, forgetting promotion or the fact that they know the Auckland City players in the squad.  I don't think you can put that down to promotion effort.

Actually they went down because i told them about cheap pacific blue
flights but 10000+ Yellow Fever fanatics or whatever you call yourselves
must of known about the NZ game?
the youth team is good idea so good on them for that but a f**kin cheek askin
the rest of NZ football to pay for it!!!

Why ?

It's for the development of the New Zealand game.  The Australian sides will be funded by the FFA, so if New Zealand want the advantages why should Terry have to reach in to his pockets ?

I don't know about them funding the lot but as a commitment to developing NZ youth a portion of it doesn't seem remotely unreasonable.

Surely a chance for the likes of Heslop or Jacob Matthews to play at a higher level and maybe move on is a good thing for NZ football in general ?

Where do you get the 10,000 Yellow Fever members from? The YF membership is just under 4,000, with many of the members living in other parts of NZ and overseas. Of the pitiful 2,500 who turned up for the game, the YF formed a very significant portion of.el grapadura2007-12-12 22:32:58

So when less than 500 turned up at NHS when the All Whites last played qualifiers in Auckland, what was it 2002 ?  Where were the 1500 members of the Auckland Supporter base ?

...or when they last played Australia that same series and a city of a million put out 4000 at Ericsson ? 

Or the 10000 that turned up for the last game in Auckland v Malaysia?
we all know that Auckland gets pretty average crowds for most sports but were not the ones telling the country how great they are like your lot! and by 10000+ yellow fever i was talking bout the whole crowd not just signed up YF members as for Matthews and Heslop they both got contacts or trials at english clubs after
playin for Central in the UK all paid for by Central or the players themselves not NZF who refused to sanction the tour
And there wasnt a ACFC in 2002 was there
why should NZF pay for your youth team when they dont contribute to the 8 NZFC franchises academy teams other than occasional travel costs (which usually consists of long bus trips not flights) which are covered by the NZFC licence fee
the are over 350 footy clubs in NZ that NZFare supposed to represent
a youth policy if successful will also benefit Wellington greatly not just NZ and it was Mr Serpisos that  said he was doing this "for the Kids" was it not?

8k... 10k in Christchurch, 8k in Auckland.  Thursday night... I was one of the 8k.

Who cares where they have trials, instead of Central funding them, wouldn't it be better for them to move to the professional game here in an environment they are comfortable in than ship them off young and possibly have them pack in the game forever when it doesn't work out ?

350 clubs, and part of the role is to make sure the best from those 350 clubs have something to aspire to and a reason to remain with the sport instead of getting to the end of school and having nowhere to go but a US College or the Northern premier League.

They aren't rich, they have to prioritise but something that gives those players chances and something for the youth to aim for has to be better than many of the other schemes that get funded.

So how can you be talking about 10,000 Yellow Fever and then say yu're not talking about Yellow Fever members, but the whole crowd?
How can the Yellow Fever be responsible for every person who decides to go to a Phoenix game for whatever reason? And consequently, why are you blaming the Fever for the poor turn-out at the All Whites match?
Ultimately, the Yellow Fever is nothing more than a bunch of people passionate about their club and, above all, football, who are trying to encourage the rest of the general public to start following football as it's a great game. We try to do this by providing a good atmosphere and a safe environement at the games, and by being vigilant to ensure that the Phoenix, and football in general, get a fair hearing in the NZ media. This obviously necessitates what may be perceived as media whoring at times, but that's a fight that needs to be fought right now.
Your denigration of the YF and indeed, the Wellington Phoenix, shows that you're exactly what you're accusing us of being - self-centred, myopic individual only interested in his own self-deluding agenda. So go on, get your coat and keep on pretending you're a 'true' football fan, we all know what you really are.

el grapadura2007-12-12 23:15:09

yeah fair point about aspiring to play pro but with A-league club in NZ we will never have pro
national league which is what i want to see not us hanging of the coat tails of Australia and getting very little for it from the Aussies. Heslop got contract with Aston Villa a bit better than playin for average A-League team me thinks? sorry got crowds mixed up with Malaysia games i was at both but still better crowd than 2500!

The sweetest irony on this thread is that by signing up to contribute on these boards we welcome happyted as a member of Yellow Fever! 

Auckalnd don't care about there football not even close to as much as Wellington!!!! No wonder A-League football got the sack from Auckland, Go PHOENIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HappyTed, If there was to be a pro football league in NZ than Auckland wont be included because of the reason you stated....Aucklanders dont support their teams.

led by Nola??