... Waitak have a million "quid" budget?!?
I don't think they do. But Eastern Suburbs and Auckland City sure do.
source?
rumour
Southern Football (incl Southern United) (Part 2)
I don't think they do. But Eastern Suburbs and Auckland City sure do.
You are not an accountant are you.
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
I assume all this got moved here as we were comparing teams budgets? Southern has by far the lowest budget in the comp and it really shows on the field. Hopefully the partnership with FS will improve this long term. There are good signs.
Would be good for the league and for the improvement of the country's footballers to have a more level playing field though..
My guess would be that Hamilton Wanderers have the smallest budget as they are a provincial club and unlike Southern United they are totally independent of, and do not have any financial backing from their local football federation.
My guess would be that Hamilton Wanderers have the smallest budget as they are a provincial club and unlike Southern United they are totally independent of, and do not have any financial backing from their local football federation.
While there is backing from the local federation, at least being a local club allows Hamilton to have a connected membership and provides a basis to fundraise. SU is dependant on grants and sponsors which have been largely one off in the past (hence now partnered with FS). I would hope a local football club could raise more throughout a year through its membership than SU has in the past through grants and sponsors - but it agreed that it would be a lot less than the rest
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
Would the National League team run separate funding lines and accounts? If that is just their winter league stuff it would be fair to assume their winter operation has more of a budget than most SS Premiership teams?
Good to see the team clicking and getting results.
Well done Southern United on back to back wins when defeating Hamilton Wanderers 4 - 0, to move off the bottom of the table.
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
So looking at their accounts and reading their newsletters out to their members it would appear they are going to be utilising as much of the current club structure as possible in national league so it would be as accurate as you could assume that the accounts that sawu has put up are the ones being used to fund the National League. I read that they planned on using the existing coaching platform for NL and that has a cost of $360k per annum which would make sense as they have a couple of fulltime coaches (I am assuming McPherson is one of those on the payroll?) and a few part time. The balance sheet also shows Term deposits of over $800k which I am sure is part of the reason NZF approved their application. I have also looked up the societies database and there is no other entry remotely like the club name so unless they are doing something dodgy we can assume they are using the Eastern Suburbs AFC inc soc entity. So technically sawu is correct they have a football budget of around $1mil however that is for National League and winter operations. Of course it would be fair to assume that sponsorship for the NL would increase as would player costs (especially with six pros). Don't think there is much doubt they have a significantly larger budget than most apart from ACFC. Happy for you to prove otherwise.
Surely nobody here believes Eastern Suburbs are not running either the biggest or second biggest budget?
You would have rocks in your head to think otherwise.
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
So looking at their accounts and reading their newsletters out to their members it would appear they are going to be utilising as much of the current club structure as possible in national league so it would be as accurate as you could assume that the accounts that sawu has put up are the ones being used to fund the National League. I read that they planned on using the existing coaching platform for NL and that has a cost of $360k per annum which would make sense as they have a couple of fulltime coaches (I am assuming McPherson is one of those on the payroll?) and a few part time. The balance sheet also shows Term deposits of over $800k which I am sure is part of the reason NZF approved their application. I have also looked up the societies database and there is no other entry remotely like the club name so unless they are doing something dodgy we can assume they are using the Eastern Suburbs AFC inc soc entity. So technically sawu is correct they have a football budget of around $1mil however that is for National League and winter operations. Of course it would be fair to assume that sponsorship for the NL would increase as would player costs (especially with six pros). Don't think there is much doubt they have a significantly larger budget than most apart from ACFC. Happy for you to prove otherwise.
ok but the statement was that several teams in the SSP spend a million "quid" on their SSP team and I don't think anyone does, including Suburbs or City
ok but the statement was that several teams in the SSP spend a million "quid" on their SSP team and I don't think anyone does, including Suburbs or City
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
So looking at their accounts and reading their newsletters out to their members it would appear they are going to be utilising as much of the current club structure as possible in national league so it would be as accurate as you could assume that the accounts that sawu has put up are the ones being used to fund the National League. I read that they planned on using the existing coaching platform for NL and that has a cost of $360k per annum which would make sense as they have a couple of fulltime coaches (I am assuming McPherson is one of those on the payroll?) and a few part time. The balance sheet also shows Term deposits of over $800k which I am sure is part of the reason NZF approved their application. I have also looked up the societies database and there is no other entry remotely like the club name so unless they are doing something dodgy we can assume they are using the Eastern Suburbs AFC inc soc entity. So technically sawu is correct they have a football budget of around $1mil however that is for National League and winter operations. Of course it would be fair to assume that sponsorship for the NL would increase as would player costs (especially with six pros). Don't think there is much doubt they have a significantly larger budget than most apart from ACFC. Happy for you to prove otherwise.
ok but the statement was that several teams in the SSP spend a million "quid" on their SSP team and I don't think anyone does, including Suburbs or City
I only saw sawu posting above that Waitak don't have a $1mil budget but Suburbs and ACFC sure do. Never saw any post saying several clubs do, though I may not have looked very hard. ACFC haven't filed their latest financial statements so hard to tell but going from the 14s they certainly had a $1mil budget. They earned $1.3mil and spent $1.2mil however some of that would obviously be for the worlds? I imagine FIFA pick up a good chunk of the costs for attending?
Waitak have nowhere near that kind of budget by the looks of things.
As above it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that ESAFC are chucking close to $1mil at this, we won't know until next years accounts are uploaded.
Having said all that what does it matter as long as clubs aren't spending more than they earn which in the long run just hurts us in the grass roots.
Anyway, bloody great win yesterday, the boys were playing with some real confidence. It certainly wasn't one-way traffic, but instead a bit of a "reverse" of some of the games earlier in the season - this time it was Southern taking clinical advantage of their chances, and making their luck (saving a penalty etc).
The boys looked to really enjoy it. The whole team were great but the Irish boys are really starting to stand out.
I'm sure there'll be a few more wins before the season's out.
Wondering whether the ODT will still go to their "rent-a-comments" (Flemings, Luis etc) for further "positive" comment...
Has been a couple of fantastic wins. No matter what league you are in it always takes a few games to gel so now they have those games out of the way it is important they keep it up. They are now capable of pulling out another three or four wins before the season is out so let's hope they do and silence the numpties for a bit.
Seems like they've got the formula starting to work now which is pleasing. Hopefully the long term plan is to continue to have a few imports (less than what they have now would be ideal) and raise the standard of the local players.
Budgets are always going to be an issue but some savvy planning will have to do instead of throwing money at solutions.
And also that's Eastern Suburbs entire clubs books, not just their SS Premiership team... nice try though.
So looking at their accounts and reading their newsletters out to their members it would appear they are going to be utilising as much of the current club structure as possible in national league so it would be as accurate as you could assume that the accounts that sawu has put up are the ones being used to fund the National League. I read that they planned on using the existing coaching platform for NL and that has a cost of $360k per annum which would make sense as they have a couple of fulltime coaches (I am assuming McPherson is one of those on the payroll?) and a few part time. The balance sheet also shows Term deposits of over $800k which I am sure is part of the reason NZF approved their application. I have also looked up the societies database and there is no other entry remotely like the club name so unless they are doing something dodgy we can assume they are using the Eastern Suburbs AFC inc soc entity. So technically sawu is correct they have a football budget of around $1mil however that is for National League and winter operations. Of course it would be fair to assume that sponsorship for the NL would increase as would player costs (especially with six pros). Don't think there is much doubt they have a significantly larger budget than most apart from ACFC. Happy for you to prove otherwise.
their Northern League Coach Malcolm has moved up to be there SSP coach, he is being replaced by Hoani Edwards who was the NYL coach this season - one of the clubs fulltime coaching staff (Matt Maslak) was the NYL assistant coach but as far as I know Hoani and Malcolm are not full time coaches for E/S.
I don't know for certain but I am pretty sure I heard Chris Ruffles say they are keeping expense lines separate as the members of the club want to know how much money is being invested in the NL team.
Also I don't know what the post with the balance sheet proved as it was only the income side - no expenses on there that I saw (was looking on a mobile) so not sure how that proves their NL budget amount.
also I would imagine most teams are using existing partnerships to pad out their budget - like the imports for Southern - I doubt their FDO wages are in Southern's expense lines and they shouldn't be - but you can't argue one way for one team and one way for another.
And yes to your last question I don't doubt the suburbs budget is up there towards the top of the table - but I personally don't believe it's a million dollar budget.
Couple of articles up on the ODT site after the weekends win.
https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/delight-southern-backs
https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/peer-advice-pays-molloy
Does anyone know where the Southern matches on 21 January vs Waitakere and 12 February vs Eastern Suburbs will be? Not sure where to find information about it (Southern website and Wikipedia don't say) or maybe they are yet to be announced.
Does anyone know where the Southern matches on 21 January vs Waitakere and 12 February vs Eastern Suburbs will be? Not sure where to find information about it (Southern website and Wikipedia don't say) or maybe they are yet to be announced.
I flicked them a message on twitter, I got this response:
Next home match vs Waitak on 21st will be at Peter Johnstone Park. 11th Feb vs EastSub will be at Forsyth Barr Stadium
This season has highlighted the need for Football South to develop a home of football (quality ground at LP ideally) and the need to get serious about southern. I reckon Chris and Paul are all over it!
Has Sky scrapped the highlights?
Has Sky scrapped the highlights?
No, saw them earlier today. Looks like on again tonight - Sky Sport 3 at 8.30pm and Sky Sports 2 at 6.30am tomorrow.
Fantastic away win vs Canterbury. Great to see the Irish lads playing so well and dispelling all doubters. How long are their contracts for? Hopefully they can stay on for another season.
Great win for the lads today. Hard to fault any of the players. The most impressive thing was the desire and work-rate which was first class unlike Canterbury.
The coach has them really well organised and with Molloy and Mulligan in particular they will be able to hurt most teams on the counter. Great to see the local lads like Hogan, Ridden, Howard, etc. looking confident and assured at this level also.
Bring on win no.4
HorsesHead21 spotted pounding the pavements of South Dunedin in recent weeks... Perhaps the rumoured return to Ellis Park is imminent...
Not a bad goal at all (9.9 for the celebration too).
Hopefully a few clubs get 20 plus along to support southern for the club day on sat!
Be good to see a good crowd tomorrow. Haven't been too many times out lads have been on the run they are on.
Huge match at Peter Johnstone today. 1pm vs Waitakere Utd who are top of table, if we win maybe we're in with a shout at the play-offs?!? Big ask against a great side but the form we're in, I reckon it's a possibility!
Just gold coin donation to get along so would be good to see an awesome crowd there.
3-1 loss to Waitakere today, wasn't a bad performance but 2 early goals hurt. Seemed to create plenty of chances, Danny Furlong probably should have scored one or two more than the 1 he got.
Very tough on Southern having games moved around.
So Eric Molloy (undoubtedly the best of the imports) is off to Tech and sounds like at least a couple of the others are playing for Caversham... Seems like a massive missed opportunity for the league... why not get these lads strengthening the GI's & Northerns instead??? Instead, the gap between teams is only going to get bigger...
You are joking. That is beyond disappointing as Football South employ these blokes and one of their remits is to improve local football. How on earth does the Irish players strengthening the two strongest sides strengthen local football. Crazy decision all round.
So Eric Molloy (undoubtedly the best of the imports) is off to Tech and sounds like at least a couple of the others are playing for Caversham... Seems like a massive missed opportunity for the league... why not get these lads strengthening the GI's & Northerns instead??? Instead, the gap between teams is only going to get bigger...
Source?
In fairness to all involved, I struggle to see how Football South as employer's can really have much say in which local club they play for. I very much doubt that it is written in their contract of employment that they can choose a winter club for them.
That being said I was hoping they would strengthen sides other than Tech and Cavy. I guess the lure of winning games consistently and competing for the league and potentially progressing far in the Chatham Cup was too much to turn down. Go figure...
Players and coaches being paid in this league still baffles me.
Just goes to show after winning title after title , you need to pay the players , Tech etc have tried to win without paying and have only managed this once in the last while ,
I rest my case
I'm more baffled that players and coaches think they should/need to be paid to train a couple of nights a week and play on a Saturday. There is no benefit to the club as a whole by doing so, in fact it only harms the club.
What's your thoughts on Mosgiel offering the big bucks to Molloy & Last?
So Eric Molloy (undoubtedly the best of the imports) is off to Tech and sounds like at least a couple of the others are playing for Caversham... Seems like a massive missed opportunity for the league... why not get these lads strengthening the GI's & Northerns instead??? Instead, the gap between teams is only going to get bigger...
Source?
Hate to break it to you, even after offering him a house & car Molloy still didn't want to play for Mosgiel.
Very tough on Southern having games moved around.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/88782328/res...
On the other hand, Southern agreed to let Auckland City go play in the hit and giggle - and was always going to be a weekday afternoon reschedule, unless Southern wanted to front for a night's accommodation.
Reap what you sow.