Team Welly

Team Welly

hi,

Have a nosey in the NZFC forum.

Tickets $7 at the gate.

thanks peeps,appreciate the info, hard news you can close this if ya want mate.

Yeah... but I like the subersive promotion of Team Wellington by leaving it for a day or two with the 'moved' tag.

I'd love to see more people at TW games.

fair enough mate, i think like you say lets promote not only the phoenix but team wellington, i reckon team wellington are defo gonna challenge for the title this season, ok a couple of bad results but what title winning team doesn't have bad results?

Though Waitak thrashed us by as much as we thrashed you.  Revenge is sweet

Anybody have any bright idea on how to encourage the Phoenix punters to become TW punters.

Are Nix supporters actually NZ football fans in the true sense of the word, or are many just "sports followers in general" who have been caught up in some superb marketing on behalf of Terry Serepisos. Will be very interesting to follow the sustainability of atheir support next season, especially if results are not forthcoming. Does seem odd TW cant attract bigger crowds if the City is abuzz with football fever? I hope they get a major spin-off from the Nix army over the next few months it will be great for the NZFC. Who were these legions of football fans supporting before the Nix came along?

Does it really matter Uli ?

I can remember being in 9 or 10k Kingz crowds in Auckland and they certainly aren't reflected in Auckland City or Waitakere's crowds and certainly weren't reflected in Central's or anyone elses pre-NZFC.

We (the Fever) work our arses off to get them to the NZFC, but at the end of the day the Phoenix's crowds and profile have been a huge bonus for the game in this country, but mostly in this city even if the crowd don't yet flock to the NZFC.

The Phoenix's positive input can be seen at the NZFC games though with 'active' support now appearing at Team Wellington, Hawkes Bay United and Manawatu games. If nothing else the Phoenix has introduced people (many through this place) to each other and formed something that will help grow the NZFC support.

In fact if you go back a step, the Kingz did the same thing which is probably a direct reason why the Service Crew exist at Auckland City.
Hard News2008-01-10 15:48:06

The NZFC needs to start capturing that so called sports follower market but people are aware of the difference in quality, not just in the football but the whole package, match day venue, catering (well actually I prefer the TW sausages but you know what I mean) etc etc. National league crowds have been stagnant for years really, it's never movd from the `1000-1500 mark to the 3-4k in all of the different iterations of the national league.

first of all the nzfc needs to develop some importance, not just being something for players to do over summer before they go back to there winter clubs. Yes the standards better but the overall importance of the league to the public, nationally i think not. Thats were the work needs to be done
The O league is a good start to raise awareness yet for the rest of the clubs not involved there just dead husks waiting for the end of winter, very hard to build a supporter base when theres no real club to follow. seems to be based on the rugby model where they try and please everyone , club and franchises.

Very difficult to raise awareness to the average sports follower when there is no meaningful promotion of the competition by our governing body. It is NZF's role as well as the clubs to actively promote "their" competition to the masses and the media. NZF have been very poor at this over the last three years. The competition needs a dedicated weekly TV show and must be actively showcased to mainstream media on a regular basis. A few of the clubs for the most part do quite well in this regard but leadership from NZF in this area is sadly lacking. They need to utilise their cut of CWC prizemoney to strongly promote the NZFC starting with a dedicated TV show - where has that money been spent? The relationship must extend beyond TV to building personal relationships with local radio stations, schools, producing quality print advertising etc and getting the NZFC brand out in the marketplace. They have displayed no real passion or drive for truely promoting "their" competition and that is sad.

It all comes down to money, if they start spending money on that then something has to go...and I'm not sure it's a good enough competition to spend that much money on.

Personally, I don't want to spend that much time watching soccer.

I'm a huge fan of the Phoenix, but don't want to watch a second Wellington team in the same week.
I'd rather spend that 90 minutes playing myself!

If TW play while the A-League is not running, then I might go to a few games.

- sorry if that sounds like sacrilege to some of you

It is, there is plenty of time for all three, especially considering that the NZFC and A-League are outside the winter season!

the nzfc might work better in the winter, the clubs play on saturday and then the nzfc can play all there games on sunday thats when all the traditional support is about

JamesDean how does the competition improve if financial investment is not made. Look at the A-League. There is your answer. We need a strong as possible national comp to develop better quality players to export to better leagues around the world. The concept is actually very simple and has been followed by just about every footballing country in the world for the best part of the last century. Strong national league = better players to export = stronger national team. Time for NZF to dig in and invest some time, resource and $$$ in the NZFC - it will pay off long-term. The question is does our National Body want long-term sustained success?

The difference is that the FFA and the A-League get significant personal and government funding, not the hand to mouth existence NZ football has.  Comparing the two is spurious.



...and therein lies the fatal flaw... we're a country of 4 million people who are about as far from a footballing nation as anywhere in the world...  let's be honest, in public profile domestic football here ranks 5th, and while that is similar in the US and Aus they have a much larger population and finance base to work with a 5th ranking.

Where is the money to develop the NZFC going to come from, what other role does NZ Football cancel to fund it ?  People whine that our sides are not well enough prepared for qualifying tournaments already, and whine that junior development is too user pays, and whine that the All Whites don't play enough.

It didn't exactly drag them in for the NZFC's predecessor... and it would cause all sorts of problems for the winter clubs.

Uli, you spend time in every forum telling anyone who will listen what NZF SHOULD do. But how about looking at what they can do, it is a zero sum game, if money goes into advertising it comes from somewhere else. You say that we need to focus on improving the NZFC and that will improve the national team. Well considering basically none of our national team plays there I can't possibly see how that is the case. What NZF is doing is preparing strong junior sides, getting them to major tournaments and trying to get our best into professional or college set ups and that being their major development. It's a hands off approach and not ideal but what is the alternative within the budgetary constraints we have?

The A-League, and australian football, is such a different situation comparisons are pointless. And two words, Frank Lowy.

would'nt effect my club, but would make melville and wanderers jump up an down. Then they would have to start developing the abundant young talent in the waikato - oh god forbid

Melville always used to do okay. 

That Chatham Cup final they reached was on the back of a stack of youngsters coming through, and they scared the crap out of the Auckland sides with a youth team that included the likes of Cole Tinkler and Steve Holloway, 7 or 8 years ago.

Funding - better relationship with gaming trusts - NZF is not maximising this area at all in regards to NZFC promotion

that was then now they just import what a shame, thats why i sent my son to auckland and doing well with some quality coaching
at least they both started an u17 team last year

Ah... so after the NZ Community trust stopped funding it, we should go and ask them for more money ?

I can see that... how was it missed ?

Hmm, gaming trusts. That's a good sustainable funding source, glad to see you're thinking outside the square.

Get Team Wellington playing curtain raisers before the Phoenix games.

a couple of good reasons to go this Sunday

Apparently, the FFA aren't too keen on curtain raisers. So that's a non-starter.

No atmosphere??? You obviously weren't at the Auckland City game. We raised the roof.

Our match against Waitak was a pretty bad indicator as to atmosphere. Our matches against Auckland and Hawke's Bay were awesome! Manawatu wasn't too bad either. Waitak, we were all in holiday mode really

It should be a great game. Both teams are firing and both teams must realise they are going to be in the playoffs. this is their last meeting prior to that so one of them is going to get a psychological jump on the other. Wish I could watch it. I have sat through some pretty dire football fare lately. I went to the Waikato v Waitakere last week and Waitakere were in cruise mode. They barely had to get into third gear to contain Waikato. Once they scored they just kept possession and went forward at will against us. We did well at times and then lost the ball and suddenly found ourselves trying to stop their counterattacks. In the first half if Totori could pass to teammates we would have been down by 6. He didnt pass the ball to Pearce or Menapi who were free in the box 3 or 4 times and they had no one marking them. We were totally dominated in the midfield by bale, butler, skyes and pearce and pearce in particular ran us ragged in the first half. Second half Waitakere were in 2nd gear and just controlled the game.

Their coach after the game said it was a professional competent performance by waitakere and it certainly was that. Restricted us to nothing, scored early and then blunted all our attacks. I wish we had scored against them early so we could have seen Waitakere have to attack.

Wellington will have to score first. Waitakere can really defend and they look like a team able to defend a 1-0 lead. If Wgtn score first then the game could become a classic.

If gaming trust funding is available why would one not maximise the opportunity while it existed now???

I too would love to know where this funding is. NZCT stopped the sponsorship of the NZFC last year, and Southern Trust have come in but not to the same extent. At the next level down, I know that TW went for as much as they could to as many people as they could and still didn't get enough.

Not wanting to get too sidetracked off the thread I also am curious as to where the funding has gone.  Last time I lived here pub charity money was relatively easy to come by as long as you ticked the right boxes.  Apparently now it's drying up.  But there have been newspaper stories recently telling us that gaming trusts distribute hundreds of millions annually.  So where does football's share go?

you mog u thought a draw had you leading! i doubt if you know what a roof is !

If you think there's no atmosphere at Newtown, try heading to Fred Taylor. I've seen more life in a tramp's vest!!