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Waikato FC (where's your Fallon gone...)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

feedback wrote:
I just want Fallon to get a fair go... thats it - hes a winner and hes not nice and thats what NZ football needs - winners who dont give a s*it about anything but winning and that is him in a nutshell[/QUOTE]

If he is a winner, please explain that while he runs the most resourced and best prepared football academy/team in the country, he can't win the schools title every year?

Marama wrote:
All the coaches in the Northern Premier seem light years behind the likes of Jacobs and Milicich so who could Waikato have got in except for someone like Kevin Falloon. No point asking for something to occur if it isnt possible due to a shortage of coaches.

As a Waikato Supporter can I just say - let's see what he does before attacking the man.

I can agree that there may not have been many better quality candidates in the NRFL. You make a fair point, but do you really need to see how he is going to go to know that it wont work out??

[QUOTE=futbol]I played for Fallon and i would sent my worst enemy to him to be coached or anything. "If it swims like a duck eats like a duck walks like a duck its a duck..."

So if he talks like a c**t and acts like a c**t, he must be a ....? The man is just an abusive mouth piece and I give it 2 games before he puts his foot in his mouth in the paper or gets tossed from the sideline. I'd sent my worst enemy to him as well cause it would end that players career and guarantee one less person in the way for an All Whites shirt for me.

Agent 472008-06-01 17:27:38
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just to add some degree of authenticity to the posts on the thread, would it be ok if posters could state whether or not they have been coached by fallon and how they rate him?
 
the subject of kevin fallon has always fascinated me; amazing stories - good and bad.  but i have never had an opinion; simply because i don't know him and have never met or been coached by him.
 
one post implied that everyone speaking positively of him must be doing so because they are ex-mags. does this mean that he would tend to find favour from his ex-players? 
 
obviously, there's more to kevin fallon than just coaching; but i would like to know, from players who have been coached by him, how he rates.

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Well I suppose he made another coaching mistake by not having a reserve GK on the bench in the MAGS vs Central United Chatham cup game. And then to replace the GK with the best defender, that is like triple shock with the 10 men game. What was he thinking? That must have hurt losing the GK in a red card incident with only 10 minutes into the match.

Good Luck Waikato . . . I don't think he is getting any better.

He does fine then neglects a simple basic coaching thing like not having a reserve GK for a knockout game shows him up at the critical moments.

If he had a half decent reserve GK, then he would not lose a good defender to take the gloves in a 10 man set up and might have a better game for the MAGS.

"It wasn't a fair contest," Fallon reiterated. "The referee acted in the laws of the game and sent him off but it was harsh. The football match was over. I was ready to go home and get a cup of tea."
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Will be interesting to see Waikato v Team Welly this season. Last time Fallon met Jacobs in a game Stu was abused and spat at. Needless to say they don't like each other!
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I am looking forward to watching Fallon abusing everyone. I can almost picture him calmly sitting there and getting more and more pissed off before exploding at one of the other coaches. Most of them will probably do nothing but some of them might actually explode back at him. Can you imagine the Milicich Fallon verbals - the Fallon Jacobs verbals - the Fallon Phelan verbals - this is going to be great
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fallon i have seen only once but it wasnt a pretty site.

Not too many managers in Nz league that i see Angry and violent all the time..

Hawkes bay manager Gould could go at Fallon which may be fun to watch..Seen him as a player and hes hardcase.

Phelan hardman too but havent seen him as a coach
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Fallon vs Gould would be the big one. ding ding ding round 1
 
Phelan just abuses his own team!
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Phew! What a doozy of a thread.
Actually had the pleasure of being coached by Mr Fallon many moons ago at an Under 17 camp (pre '82). Very enlightening experience, learnt nothing about football, lots about how not to upset him. think I have just about recoverd now from the experience. Have had many coaches since, some better, some worse. All I can say is this is the best thing to happen for Canterbury United so far this coming season. Hopefully we will pick up some of the player fallout! Can't wait to see the big man explode when things go against him at English Park! Every dog has his day, his was years ago. Great record at National Secondary schools tournament, so what? Says more about the state of our schools game than about his ability to coach. I would suspect that his underlying methods have hardly changed in the past 30 years. Obviously there are people on the Waikato board who have never had anything to do with him. Can't get a job with NZ Football, can't get a spot with Waitakere of ACFC, when that is where he lives. No Auckland club wants to touch him.
Very brave decision Waikato, very brave. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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Jon Chisolm to sign for Waikato
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I've pretty much kept out of this one until now, but....

I know Kevin quite well. He's never coached me but I've seen him in action on the training fields many, many times and talked football with him for ever and technically he's right up there with the best coaches in the world. He does rub people up the wrong way and he knows he does. He doesn't really care; he hates fools and time-wasters but if you've got a valid opinion on something football related he'll listen to you and let you have your say and discuss it with you in depth. And he'll happily tell you if he thinks you are right or wrong. He's got a rare passion for the game and doesn't like it when other people don't have. If that's wrong, then so be it, but I don't think it is.
He's had his moments but in no way is he the monster that he is made out to be.
I know I'm in the vast minority here when I say good on Waikato, it could prove to be a shrewd appointment.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good points TJ, I always find it difficult when a coach/managers reputation is muddied by his behavioural approach to the game. Take the behaviours out of the Fallon enigma and his coaching record is pretty damn good (but take the behaviours out and you lose the passion?), albeit his best moments ('82, U17's) were in tandem with other coaches. In the right situation with the right people he will be a winner again, just don't think there are many people of the caliber of say Adshead left in football willing to work with him and moderate his excesses. If Waikato can do that then they will go well because he does know his stuff. Remains to be seen whether he can communicate that "stuff" to his players well enough to get the buy in. Time will tell. May not be the monster he is portrayed to be but sure has had monstrous moments in the game.

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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TheJam wrote:

I've pretty much kept out of this one until now, but....

I know Kevin quite well...and technically he's right up there with the best coaches in the world.
 
Really?
 
How many of them have you chatted to that lets you compare?  Or is that just what Kevin told you?
 
Disclaimer: don't know him, don't have an opinion on him, just calling bullsh*t when I see it.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's got just about the highest coaching qualification going for a start (FIFA Instructor), and no matter what people might think you can't get through that sort of course without really knowing your stuff. Hence my "technically" claim. I didn't say that he's one of the best coaches in the world, did I?
So, Smithy, it's not "bullsh*t"...
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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I believe a FIFA Instructor is an appointed position and not a qualification as such.
 
The UEFA Pro licence is broadly regarded as the highest coaching qualification in the world, followed in decreasing order by UEFA A, B etc etc.
 
Anyway.  We could snipe at each other all day.  I'm just challenging the theory that he's some kind of technical guru trapped in a psycho.  I don't think there's any real evidence of that judging on the comments of players who have been coached by him.
 
It'd be a dull place, the world, without people like him though.
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, but how do you get that appointment? By not knowing your stuff? I think not.
Your last comment is spot on. Fallon adds character, and gets people talking, just like he has on this thread. I think he's great for the game and, if you got to actually sit and talk with him at length you'd realise that he's one hell of an asset to the game here. And a decent bloke under it all.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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TheJam wrote:

I've pretty much kept out of this one until now, but....

I know Kevin quite well. He's never coached me but I've seen him in action on the training fields many, many times and talked football with him for ever and technically he's right up there with the best coaches in the world. He does rub people up the wrong way and he knows he does. He doesn't really care; he hates fools and time-wasters but if you've got a valid opinion on something football related he'll listen to you and let you have your say and discuss it with you in depth. And he'll happily tell you if he thinks you are right or wrong. He's got a rare passion for the game and doesn't like it when other people don't have. If that's wrong, then so be it, but I don't think it is.
He's had his moments but in no way is he the monster that he is made out to be.
I know I'm in the vast minority here when I say good on Waikato, it could prove to be a shrewd appointment.
 
What utter rubbish.  If he's up there with the best coaches in the world why has he never done anything outside of NZ (or actually, inside NZ), why is this his first NZFC coaching job.  He might love the game, and I'm sure he does, but with his attitude very very few people are going to respond to his methods (whatever they are).  You can't separate the man from the mouth, the two go hand in hand.
 
He's exactly the type of old school coaches that aren't left anywhere in the modern game other than the English lower leagues and NZ, which is probably why a lot of sides in NZ play like they do.  See Craig Foster article on the front page.

Normo's coming home

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The fact he's a character doesn't make him good for the game.  Let's face it, Ricki Herbert is boring, he can't give a sound bite to save himself and every interview is peppered with rhetorical questions.  Is that a hindrance to the guy?  And Fallon's only contributions in a character sense are negative one's, he's the past, we need to get over '82 and move on.

Normo's coming home

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The Jam speaks about his(FALLONS)  rare passion for the game...so 'The Jam' does passion mean spitting at players and coaches along with assualting opposition players after a game??!! You might be a mate of his seem that you know the geezer quite well but you surely cant condone what he does!! Bad move by an organisation to sign a manager with those terrible antics no matter what qualifactions are there.


However he is there so lets watch it all unfold...Wont be long untill we hear of trouble im sure..Hopefully us sideline supporters see some other managers having a right old go at him.
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My assumption, knowitall, is that you are anti-Fallon, but, after trying to decipher your post I really can't tell. You really should have stayed at school when grammar was being taught.

"Bad move by an organisation to sign a manager with those terrible antics no matter what qualifactions are there."
 
Huh?
When you can artiiculate those thoughts a little more succinctly then you should give us a call...
 
 
TheJam2008-07-17 00:00:27
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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Footbal is more important than school where i come from alright lad. If you want to be a geek and correct all my work feel free too..

Yes correct i would be anti Fallon..from what ive seen and heard about the geezer!! Any manager that spits at players and assualts kids should not be around football in my opinion. However you seem not to have a problem with that nor do the club that has picked him up! so lets get on with it..

'THE JAM'..i look foward to hearing back from ya..hopefully il get a c+ if i dont have to many errors...maybe a b-...wat ya reckon...go on son
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Footbal - Football.
i - I
.. - ...
Assualts - Assaults
il - I'll

'ya' and 'wat' constitute txt speak (a form of language not accepted on these forums).

What did they teach you in Edinburgh ?

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Edinburgh? Ah ha, that explains a lot

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I aint no scots lad..
sorry that i missed out and 'h' in the word what.
im not quite yet speaking kiwi..

anyways 'Hard News' your far from the point i made in regards to this topic.


 
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You signing to play for him Stu or are you heading back to Napier..
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At my age i wish their was some over 35's league.
If i was still young and fit i would not play under a coach such as Fallon. However I'm in no position to play so I am a sideline critic or fan in the stand like the rest of us.
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With his anger issues he's done the smart thing by getting Pooley next to him... i not 100% on this as i have not read it but heard it in passing.
 
He's very much a players mentor type individual who works well with individuals. Waikato changes their coach every year, yet the football remains the same... poor.
 
I'm just glad i am no longer there and don't have to watch it.
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I believe that kevin has a chance to build a good side. Players may just want to play for Kevin who would not want to play for Roger. We all need to be positive as i for one want to go back to Year one of the NZFC when the Mighty Waikato made the playoffs and caused some serious headaches for clubs on the way.

Go Kevin you have my support (just keep your temper in check)
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TouchMe wrote:
With his anger issues he's done the smart thing by getting Pooley next to him... i not 100% on this as i have not read it but heard it in passing.
 
He's very much a players mentor type individual who works well with individuals. Waikato changes their coach every year, yet the football remains the same... poor.
 
I'm just glad i am no longer there and don't have to watch it.
 
Sounds like you only sing when you're winning lol

We Still Love You Colin We Do!

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Its no wonder i cant sing, obvious lack of practice due to results.

We just don't seem to have the depth at the moment and can't keep our best players.
 
 
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Just so I'm slightly more enlightened, which of these best players have left Waikato for greener pastures? :o)

I understand Dan Robinson has left for Waitakere. Anyone else?
Agent 472008-08-23 05:44:46
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From what i hear re Waikato, players are now finally being talked too, instead of being promised to being talked too. Will be interesting too see whom stays and who new comes in. New home ground too, which will make it a new entity .....
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fat controllor wrote:
From what i hear re Waikato, players are now finally being talked too, instead of being promised to being talked too. Will be interesting too see whom stays and who new comes in. New home ground too, which will make it a new entity .....

Which is where all i heard is that its an old hockey ground
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I heard that they are playing at an old hockey ground with a small grandstand, only place in hamilton like that is Seddon Park
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Resthills Park, the rugby league ground in Glenview
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Didn't think of there makes sense now cheers
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Waikato is a good move for Kevin when Wilkinson came in they were winless bottom of the league and in disarray with players and coaches being arrested in Napier
The playing staff were poor and the club made a loss In a season and a half they got off the bottom attracted some good players( Dale Williams excepted) reached their highest league position for 3 years and made a 25000 profit on the season and their gates went up.3 players made the original Olympic squad.They also played  good football.
Wilkinson did not re apply for the job as he had returned to the UK and was offered a full time job with West Bromwich Albion in the Premier Leagueworking with the under 21,s.
Kevin has the ability to coach well and could do a good job if he can control himself and build on last years squad .Interesting times in the Waikato
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dale williams is playing for welshpool town, be interesting to see how he goes

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Waikato have now signed Noah Hickey also by all reports....hasnt played for 3 years so that looks a good buy
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