Waitakere United

 Arms deserved the red card and at the end of day Waitakere deserved the win.

True. I believe Milos had  major surgery (knee?) and wasn't playing any of the 11/12 games.

JV, if I can recall correctly you never had any good words for Milos regardless whether he played good or bad. On the other hand Dicko, who played the majority of the 11/12 games for the "Champions of Africa" scoring one goal for the entire season is an excellent striker? Have you ever kicked a ball in your life?

Dickinson has excellent quality in my opinion - one of the best players in the National League.  Hard working, good technique, excellent decision maker on the ball, intelligent movement off the ball - and a bloody hard-nosed wack at times too (though less so lately), which I like for obvious reasons.  He's easily a level above Milos in my mind.  But I won't bag Milos.  He's younger, got much less experience, and is a different sort of striker - the sort that will do nothing for 89 minutes and then win it in the 90th.  For me Milos is not a starter at the present time, but Marshall can see his value as a squad player and a game winner in certain situations.  I hope Milos stays fit and gets the opportunity to learn and grow in the OCL.

I did see Milos with a sizeable cast on his leg so I understand he had some major surgery, someone has suggestes knee, which has sidelined him for a considerable time. I think he is a good finisher, certainly better than Dickinson, whose best quality is being able to collect and hold the ball up under pressure and ride tackes. Dicko's a real battler but his weakness is finishing, as his low conversion rate attests. That's why I'm surprised he is played so much by Ramon up front rather than Tade, who can finish with aplomb.

I wish Milos was still at City because I think his game will get better. He's not a fighter for the ball like Dicko but as you say with the right pass he can split a defence and score vital goals. He knows how to find space in the box.

Both are very different players. Dicko is typical of lower division British battlers. City relies on him at the moment because it has a number of technically better Latin players but they don't tenaciously battle for the ball (Reira aside). If Exposito loses the ball he's likely to pout for a moment, while Dicko will charge off after the poor bugger who took it off him. Danko has more technique than Dicko but a bit less of the animal. I miss Chad Coombes who is a real battler but can finish as well.

I think your description is kinda similar to mine in how I see Dickinson there True Blue.  His conversion rate is low and he is a bit of a butcher. In my opinion, if all you do is hack players and don't score, how is that grounds to be raved about as a striker? He bloody strong on the ball and I question if he is used right by Ramon. Leave him back to goal for other players to run off of him because he will hold that ball up very well. Danko used to do that years ago. He has got a very light first touch for his skill set..... I just see him whinging a lot about what he is not getting when he is the first guy to get stuck into other players without thought.

 

Regarding Milos, yes I am not a fan. I think his ability is inflated higher than what it is - perhaps by his Dad? He is technically proficient but a bit of a baby if he gets touched. He also never gets his head up and looks for other options. I can recall seeing Uhlman spend 90mins peeling him out one game telling him to pass the ball and Uhlman was right. I will concede I have given him no attention in the last 2 years simply because I don't rate him. I think he just sees the ball at his feet and a goal and that's all.

Coombes is a terrier and I admire his tenacity. He is fitter this year than last. He really is a utility player than can play anywhere. He is a hot head too but has gotten better in the last 18 months. Chad is one of those players that can just come up with one of those sheer moments of 'what the hell' which changes the game better for his team.

Fair points. I think you're right that Milos needs to be more aware of other options but he does have the ability to place the ball under pressure rather than just blast it. I've seen him carefully finish some moves when Dicko would have sent it out the ground. He does need to toughen up a bit, bit of a softie in a 50-50 challenge. Still think Milos would be better off at City with their more possession-based style. I won't be surprised to see him at Central again for the coming winter season.

Have been impressed with Chad this season. Seemed to minimize his hothead moments and played some good football. City needed his utility quality but I think Chad's happier under Marshall. He would have made a big difference to City had he stayed, an own goal by Ramon in my opinion but if they don't get on then he's better off under Marshall. Always thought he could have developed into a good professional player under the right coach.

Unfortunately I agree, think we've seen the best of Danko. But I still prefer him to Dickinson for that holding role up front, he's a cleverer player without being quite the battler.

http://www.waitakereunited.co.nz/130521.html

MACGOWAN BACK IN FOLD AS WAITAKERE UNITED LOOK AHEAD

Will need to vastly improve his track record since U17's World Cup.

Geez they will be f@##ed now!! Bill Mac is just into himself. Job for the boys. You watch all the good kids from the academy will probably disappear to Auckland City. Why don't they put that salary into getting some decent players. A couple of good defenders would be good for a start. Heard Pearce and Scott won't be there. Marshy not liked by the players.

Waitakere CITY according to Deaker (on sport)

I thought Marshy did well this season at Waitakere and ran ACFC very close. I thought he had them playing more attractive attacking football than last season. Being manager isn't a popularity contest - ask Fergie.

McGowan I have doubts about.

All that is Bill McGowan is not good for football in any role.

Waitakere has a faction in it and its 'what ever Jake says' and the boys get into line. Chris Bale and Tim Myers will tell you stories about how last year under Emblem, no one turned up to training after a loss so really, they have scant regard for whoever coaches that side. If you are the coach, there is only one way to fix it...

I don't agree with your comment re Bill McGowan. He does know football and has proved it in the past.

Ok. We can agree to disagree. Cool

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10904356

Well that's Waitakere fucked. Does Paul not know its a men's team? This train wreck will be awesome.

Would be great to see Berlanga back at ACFC. What of rumours that Krishna may join him? The decline of WU is a real chance for another ASBP franchise to step up and get into the O League.

No not at all. This was discussed a little while ago and I hold the same opinion now as I do then.

In my opinion, he is not a good coach. He has only ever coached teams that never question him or his methods i.e girls. How is he going to react when Pearce and Butler question him and tell him his game plan is shit because sure as shit, u17 girls won't do that. What has Temple done to earn these players respect when all his CV says is young guy that coached girls? What's his tactical nouse like because men's football is different to woman's football.

So...in summary...because he's only coached girls he couldn't possibly coach men..?

I get that its a step up. But saying he's not a good coach and its going to be a train wreck just because he's only coached girls is a bit premature don't you think? In some ways its a natural way for him to step up, since he has formerly been an assistant at waitakere, I'm sure there is a certain level of respect already gained amongst the team and club. 

No that's not what I am saying

A: I don't rate him as a coach. That is exclusive of any other point I will make. It could be Barcelona - I just do not rate him.

B: he could coach men for sure but you don't go from school girls to ASPB Assistant to Head Coach like that. You need to have some back ground. What's he got other than school girls? Zip.

If it was that easy, everyone would do it because at face value, that's exactly how it looks. I can toss out 10 names instantly that are better coaches. Then looking at those 10 names, they also have time at the coalface coaching senior men's teams at a reputable level.

The equivalent (and it does not support my argument unfortunately) is Greenacre. Player to head coach in the space of 8 months. On face value, it's just laughable (again acknowledging it does not support my position and Greenie did a good job)

So aside from you not rating him as a coach, you basically concede that it could be done. 

But ill concede on the basis that you're not saying he's a terrible coach just because he is making a step up from girls and being an assistant, and you actually are making that judgement seperately from that. Fair enough. 

You probably know more of his coaching ability than I do. The advantage he has is that he has time to improve I suppose. It'll also be a difficult environment for him to step into this season I imagine. It'll be interesting to see how they go under him. 

Name your 10 then..?

From what I hear, he was the brains behind the coaching this season just gone and the players responded very well. If he is solely in charge this year he will need to 'manage' as well as coach which will be a test.

I would bet that the 10 names you mention won't have the A Licence Temple has just been on in the UK..

Oh my God! The players can't stand temple. He was the assistant and only does kids coaching. They are laughing at the moment. Jake will only stay there for the money. A lot of the rest will go

Yes it could be done correct. I don't think we are in disagreement Tegal. 

Tuua, Fallon, Milicich, Emblen, Marshall, Bazely, Willie Gerdsen, Aaron McFarlane, Grant Robertson, Shane Knowles, Paul Posa, Mark Cossey, Steve Williams, Chris Zorocich, Paul Hobson-McVeigh, Danny Donegan, Kevin Hagan...

Let's not toss in the likes of Alan Jones who is assisting y-bopamooloo

Edit: And to cap it off Craig Alexander

It's just Paul Hobson. No McVeigh.

Ah. Apologies.

Alan Jones would be more of a hindrance.

Oh I didn't say they would apply or get it, just coaches better than Temple. I think Alan's methods are probably at the stage where he is behind the game as it is today. 'Direct football' is largely dead with the new 'possession at all costs' being flavour de jour

Don't tell me that.... WaiBOP are meant to be entertaining....

Actually, to be fair, whatever Declan does, do the opposite, that's what I'd be preaching at WaiBOP after his stint in charge.

I'm actually surprised he is employed in football. There is a place for him, somewhere but maybe more as a skills coach rather than a team coach or coaching players the finer tactical points of the game. You can't say his players were not technically skilled.

We were talking about coaches. Not how charming they were.

Donegan gets results with no name players and no budget, usually with off casts. They have some players bought in this year at Glenfield but this year is the exception

fear enough call i guess, I've seen both of them at work and would say they were good coaches. Funny you mentioned Allan Jones "direct style" is largely died yet have seen a number of games this year when Donegan has had his team play direct. I'd have Jones can't argue with his record if its about getting result.

no name players like Allan Pearce.

for me you have just listed a whole lot of coaches in the Prem's and Div 1 and a lot of them are not up to task - as to the question if they are better than Paul Temple - i don't know, but you really must not rate temple if this is the list better than him.

That would be the Allan Pearce that plays at 3 Kings under his brother Graham? I think you will find Pearce was at Glenfield because

a: He works for Roland Jeffries over the road

b: As he is Rolands only active physio playing at that level, he plays and does physio for that team because he gets farmed out by Roland. Considering the hours physio's work and Auckland traffic, he only had to go 300m to training.....

 

you mean Takapuna right?  and i only brought his name up because you said Danny did well with a team of no-names, where in-fact he was spending money there, maybe not on superstars but he built a squad - i think Gwther was there as well.