I am of course referring to the proposed rule, where a starting 11 has to have at least 6 players from the country the league is in, so for example, the big clubs like liverpool will have to drop some spanards and man u/chelsea/arsenal would have to get more top quality englishmen. so what do you think? do you think fifa is trying to slow down the big clubs so the others can catch up, do you think its a stroke of genius or a stroke of misfortune? voice your opinions.
p.s not sure if this topic is already on the site, sorry if it is.
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...and man u/chelsea/arsenal would have to get more top quality englishmen...
...and where will they find them ?
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...and man u/chelsea/arsenal would have to get more top quality englishmen...
...and where will they find them ?
good point!
they dont have to be born in the country tho, just hold a passport.
they dont have to be born in the country tho, just hold a passport.
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i disagree, if there are that many englishmen in the team then the quality of the premiership will decrease significantly due to the quality and different type of game the overseas stars offer the premier league and english players..it'll never be enforced as the prem is a buisness and it will lose out if this law is passed!
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i disagree, if there are that many englishmen in the team then the quality of the premiership will decrease significantly due to the quality and different type of game the overseas stars offer the premier league and english players..it'll never be enforced as the prem is a buisness and it will lose out if this law is passed!
what he said.
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Terrible idea.
fully agree with you, i am personally against it by the way. just want to get a feel of how people feel about the rule, so thanks for your opinion.
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I've expressed my views on this site somewhere before. I'll elaborate briefly:
1. Average English players are already over-inflated in terms of price.
2. The quality of the EPL will fall by forcing clubs to play Englishmen.
3. If the English aren't good enough to get into the EPL at the moment, they're not good enough to play for England anyway.
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1. Average English players are already over-inflated in terms of price.
2. The quality of the EPL will fall by forcing clubs to play Englishmen.
3. If the English aren't good enough to get into the EPL at the moment, they're not good enough to play for England anyway.
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
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Portsmouth is a retirement home for the very Arsenal players you're taking the piss out of. I'd watch it if I were you. 
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
bad idea, well all know the english team is great, but lack the dimension of playing on foreign soil with a different style of game, which is why they can never adapt and gel as a team until more english play overseas!!!
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
bad idea, well all know the english team is great, but lack the dimension of playing on foreign soil with a different style of game, which is why they can never adapt and gel as a team until more english play overseas!!!
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
bad idea, well all know the english team is great, but lack the dimension of playing on foreign soil with a different style of game, which is why they can never adapt and gel as a team until more english play overseas!!! and
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
bad idea, well all know the english team is great, but lack the dimension of playing on foreign soil with a different style of game, which is why they can never adapt and gel as a team until more english play overseas!!! and if
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Great idea.....
Path for English Players
Connection with Fans
Hopefully raise the standard of the National team.
Reinstate Boring Boring Arsenal.
A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
bad idea, well all know the english team is great, but lack the dimension of playing on foreign soil with a different style of game, which is why they can never adapt and gel as a team until more english play overseas!!! and if you remove foregin players from the prem, that means they will have less experience of the foreign game and even less english players will go overseas as there will be more in the prem.
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A salary cap would be a great idea, who the F___ is worth 150,000 a week.
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Can't see that happening in the big European leagues any time soon.
As for the proposal itself, the horse has already bolted. No going back now.
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well all know the english team�is great
And did I say...
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when i say great..i mean individually they have good players, but play same english style which isnt dynamic, unlike spain and brazil etc who have players in every league!!
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And Spurs players, Redknapp clips the ticket on every
player bought by Pompey.
The EPL is annoying the sh*t out of me, only three teams can win,
Arsenal - All Foriegners, great manager, conservative and financially sound approach.
Man Utd - Arguably most famous club in the world. Marketers dream and reaps the financial benefits
Chelsea - Greedy, should do better considering money spent, in the top three because of backer. Sustainability questionable.
Liverpool - Believes it can win the league but manager is not up to the top three and player quality and depth are not there to challenge.
The money the players receive could feed the worlds starving, it is obsecne.
Sorry for the rant, I think the A-League/MLS framework could really work. Three seasons of the A-League and we have had three different winners. The Jets are probably the least professional of all the organisations off the field but on it they win.
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The salary cap suggestion isn't a bad one but surely that would have to be global otherwise you'll see a mass exodus. Player/Agent loyalty is one thing, but is doesn't match the loyalty of the average club fan. (With the exception of the floating glory hunter types). Players will be off like rats deserting a sinking ship. Mind you, player agents would be quite at home in dealing with rats.
The 6+5 concept is interesting on paper but is a no starter. Are Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen & Scotsmen all counted as the same as Germans, Brazilians, Portugese, Italians? One would expect so. I can appreciate the intent of the idea but this will not improve the English national teams performance or english player skills in reality.
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Well, I have to disagree...the English game is actually quite dynamic. The problem is that England haven't produced any top-class talent in very, very long time, and the players thay do have are by and large over-rated. There's some good talent there (Rooney, in particular, quite like Ashley Young too), but by and large the quality's not really there for England to have any great aspirations.
I mean, England are a good side by international standards, but nothing more than that. Which puts them on about equal footing with many, many other international teams in the world.
I mean, England are a good side by international standards, but nothing more than that. Which puts them on about equal footing with many, many other international teams in the world.
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El, agree with your comments re talent across the field to win a world cup is not there but to win an Euro is reachable. If the Greeks (sorry) can win with a 10 man defence then England has a better chance.
Italy won the World Cup with all players from there own league. England doesn't need to export players but does need to start realising that the LAmpards, Becks, Terrys, Coles are not world class and develop players that can compete at a higher level.
Liverpool, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest all won the European Cup with home grown teams. Until Belgium, England teams were totally dominant.
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in my opinion a salary cap would be a feasable idea, if it was well enforced and developed without any loopholes, and it would have to be implemented in all fifa sanctioned leagues to keep everyone on a fair playing field, but it certainly would bring a lot more excitement to the game, in england especially. as for 6+5 i feel its unfortunate, it would kill off a lot of flair to many leagues around the world. at least we dont have to worry about theese sorts of issues here(for now)
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El, agree with your comments re talent across the field to win a world cup is not there but to win an Euro is reachable. [/QUOTE]
Yet England's never even made a final of a European Championship...
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Yet England's never even made a final of a European Championship...
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Liverpool, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest all won the European Cup with home grown teams. Until Belgium, England teams were totally dominant.
But this did not translate into success for the English national team at the same time...
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in my opinion a salary cap would be a feasable idea, if it was well enforced and developed without any loopholes, and it would have to be implemented in all fifa sanctioned leagues to keep everyone on a fair playing field, but it certainly would bring a lot more excitement to the game, in england especially. as for 6+5 i feel its unfortunate, it would kill off a lot of flair to many leagues around the world. at least we dont have to worry about theese sorts of issues here(for now)
no a salary could never work in todays football market at the highest level, and results prove the EPL is without doubt the best league in the world. a salary cap on them would never be feassible because as soon as u do, i would wager all te best players would get offered more from overseas, and the EPL would be gone, you would lose flair the same way 6+5 would
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no a salary could never work in todays football market at the highest level, and results prove the EPL is without doubt the best league in the world. a salary cap on them would never be feassible because as soon as u do, i would wager all te best players would get offered more from overseas, and the EPL would be gone, you would lose flair the same way 6+5 would
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no a salary could never work in todays football market at the highest level, and results prove the EPL is without doubt the best league in the world. a salary cap on them would never be feassible because as soon as u do, i would wager all te best players would get offered more from overseas, and the EPL would be gone, you would lose flair the same way 6+5 would
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yes i agree it would be silly to implement in a single league, just like 6+5. however if implemented world wide then who knows. but in todays football, dare i say buisness(unfortunatly, remember the old days?), it would never happen.
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Only if this effected all leagues around the world and England was given 20 years to get their sh*t together right from grass roots and training of youngsters right up to the sacking of those lamentable arse clowns that are the English FA.
Its fundamental that we also ban Morris Dancing as we are losing too many to potential footballers to this tomfoolery. (this may or may not be true)
I would also like to bring back national service, players would have to do several Bear Grylls-type adventures dressed only in a Desert Storm. We could also have a war with a random African nation and/or France and Germany every 50 years or so.
Players are allowed to smoke pipes on the pitch and have a quick break for a banter with the fans during the match.
Players to have a proper job like coal mining as well as playing football.
Bring back the stocks for the likes of Ashley Cole, Barton, Bellamy, etc so the population could throw their cats at players faces
Yes I'm bored at work.
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bored at work? late night worker you are, you do bring some interesting points to the table.
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bored at work? late night worker you are, you do bring some interesting points to the table.
I be doing a stint of Nights!
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i feel for ya! at least you have time to snoop around on yellow fever forums
i think the dangers of morris dancing are underpromoted. soon well have sonny bill williams types in the big leagues switching codes!
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Arsenal and Chelsea fans living in NZ oppose the idea.. what a surprise.
How many of those actually get to play in the Champions League? Only half have ever had the experience. So do the English really care that much about English clubs in Europe. Let's face it, the English clubs in Europe are barely that. I grew up believing in cheering the English representation in Europe, but the clubs do not represent England anymore. No wonder they attract so many overseas armchair fans... they have more in common with them than their compatriots.
Does anyone else read WSC? Great magazine. There was a spoof column in there last month complaining about "our" foreigners being stolen by foreign leagues. Hilarious. At least it would have been, if it didn't echo so closely the attitude exhibited by the big four.
So the proposal will reduce the quality of the Premier League overall. So what? It's a lopsided quality anyway. The title race has just about reached a Scotland-like state of competitiveness. So-called English clubs will progress less in Europe? Who cares? So English clubs will fail to progress in the Champions League? How much impact will this have on the national team? Take the Croatia team, what was it - something like:
Carson, Richards, Bridge, Lescott, Campbell, Barry, Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Crouch, Wright-Phillips, Bent, Defoe, Beckham.
Carson, Richards, Bridge, Lescott, Campbell, Barry, Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Crouch, Wright-Phillips, Bent, Defoe, Beckham.
How many of those actually get to play in the Champions League? Only half have ever had the experience. So do the English really care that much about English clubs in Europe. Let's face it, the English clubs in Europe are barely that. I grew up believing in cheering the English representation in Europe, but the clubs do not represent England anymore. No wonder they attract so many overseas armchair fans... they have more in common with them than their compatriots.
I've come to believe that we could do with English clubs failing to progress in the Champions League. The monies distort domestic competition and do nothing but embed the existing powers that be within the game.
El G is right that the horse has bolted and getting back in will be difficult. There used to be limits on non-national players and it worked just fine. Bosman got treated unfairly and went to court, but the ruling caused far greater consequences than was meant - the removal of limitation on EU nationalities. Some European leagues maintain non-EU limits as the Bosman ruling has no effect there. The Premier League however has no limitations whatsoever. But we have a structure with separation of the FA, Premier League and Football League that does not exist in most countries, so there is conflict built in. And as we know, the Premier League don't give a toss about the national team.
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The 6+5 concept is interesting on paper but is a no starter. Are Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen & Scotsmen all counted as the same as Germans, Brazilians, Portugese, Italians? One would expect so. I can appreciate the intent of the idea but this will not improve the English national teams performance or english player skills in reality.
At least the players called up for England will have playing experience. Right now, we tend to be fine for the first 11. Then someone gets injured or we make a substitution and who do we have available? Players that haven't played because they've been bench-warming. I'm thinking specifically of the substitutions made in our last competitive match. If I recall correctly, we had to bring in players lacking match-fitness and recent playing experience.
To answer your initial question, I believe it would work around the idea of national eligibility. Hence there would be players, as there are now across Europe, who have dual entitlements.
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England doesn't need to export players ...
Actually, if we're going to run a domestic top-flight in which only one third of the players are eligible for England, I would say we absolutely do need to export players. Otherwise we keep what we have now - fewer English professionals actually playing.
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Crikey!! It's not often I agree with everything a poster says on these forums. Woooah SiNZ!
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