Aaron Ramsey

No we wouldn't. Actually we were quite sympathetic when Adebayor suffered the trauma of the shooting in Angola last month.

But don't let that get in the way of you making sweeping generalsations.

Well watching the game live I didn't think it was a red card and the commentator pretty much said that. I watched the replay a few times and can't see how anyone would think that was deliberate, although no doubt we'll have new camera angles on it by now.

Deserves his England call up as well.

As for not having sympathy for Ramsey - I doubt their is anyone who doesn't feel for him. He was one of the best players on the pitch - it is a tragedy.


Zephyr2010-02-28 12:20:57

Ramsey is a promising talent of the highest order. Hopefully surgeons will sort him out and he comes back just as good if not better. He's young and so has time on his side.

Look at this gif

Nowhere near the f**king ball.

JUSTICE FOR RAMBO!!!!

I'm really upset about this. I was in tears when i saw it and seeing at again almost brings me to tears again. Rambo was one of my favourite players and anyone who spends regular time in the Arsenal thread will know i rate him very highly. From the first moment i saw him in action i fell in love with him. Such a tremendous talent. A superb footballing brain coupled with a well balanced all round game.

I don't know if he'll ever be the same again

to be honest i think you're being a tad unfair buffy

I don't buy that at all. Watching it in slow mo or viewing stills of it from a million different angles just serve to let Shawcross off. That gif i posted is in real time and shows just how reckless Shawcross was charging in like that. He takes a swing at the 'ball' when it's about 5 yards behind him!!!

Cesc is right. Justice needs to be done to protect our players.

You'll see what you want to see it seems. Still looks like an accident to me, didn't warrant a red card.

If you're gonna take that angle then i could easily say the same about you. Only seeing what you want to see.

True - but only Arsenal supporters seem to see it your way.

Our players deserve better protection. 3 horrific injuries in 5 years (Diaby, Eduardo, Ramsey) is 3 too many. That's not to mention the countless other injuries our players have suffered over the years. Dirty tactics are consistantly employed against our players from smaller clubs.

It seems to have become a popular tactic amongst clubs like Stoke, Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, Hull etc. The old "Let's go out and kick the sh*t out of Arsenal because they're foreign and don't like that sort of stuff". Of course don't worry about actually retaining posession and creating decent openings in our defence, just worry about how many reducers you can put in in the first 15 mins.

I agree, this tackle has none of the malice of Marty Taylor, but the referee was right to send off the player....

from the official laws of the game, Law 12- fouls and misconduct:

"A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play and the referee shall send off the player guilty of serious foul play"

also, Shawcross clearly lunged at Ramsey because of his bad touch and again:

"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play, and the referee shall..."

Shawcross isn't a malicious guy but he did tick both the boxes above therefore - sending off.

whether it was an accident or not is irrelevant. It was clearly careless, reckless and excessive and obviously endangering the safety of an opponent, it was a red.

Shawcross is clearly distraught about it, I do have some sympathy with him. As long as he does what Marty Taylor said that he did, and go and see Ramsey in hospital and apologise then I have no issue with Ryan.

absolutely. This has lots of differences to the eduardo injury, where all the birmingham players could care about was yelling at the ref about the sending off of Taylor. Was good to see the Stoke players realised there is more to this than the football match - even if the Stoke fans didn't. Really, if that chanting did happen that is really appalling. Imagine if that happens at the RoF next week to a jets player, we would never do that kind of thing, and after the match all of us on here would show total sympathy. Bit of class required there methinks.

I think he will show up at ramsey's beside to be honest. Clearly inconsolable when marching off. Good call about the laws of the game. the referee took the interpretation right and went through with it.

I like how F365 have responded to shawcross's call up with this headline:

Watch out Egypt!; Shawcross gets England call up

I think its ridiculous that Arsenal are calling for special protection just for their team. This is a physical sport where you can expect injuries. No malicious intent from Shawcross.

http://footyblog.net/football-news/news/aaron-ramsey-ryan-shawcross-tackle-video/
This is a full speed replay and it looks very much like a accident. Both players were going full speed for the ball and accidents happen. Shawcross went in to the tackle to win and win it hard but I see no reason to think it was malicious.

I think its more a case of refs being made aware of the fact that some teams feel violent/physical conduct is a legitimate game plan in lieu of being able to play football against us.

Tackle didn't look malicious at all, just 50/50 bad timing.
Hope the lads ok, Larsson broke his leg extremely badly and he came back better than ever.

Your basically asking for refs to help you play your style of game.

Perhaps Arsene just needs to recruit someone (such as Darren Fletcher ) to play it back.Michael2010-02-28 19:33:45

Man, from a neutral perspective, I really do feel for the lad. Similar sort of horrific injury happened to a friend in a rugby game I was playing in a few years back, terribly dislocated his knee (kneecap on the wrong side of the knee), no one wants to see it, and both teams felt for him big time. It's just the sort of thing that you wish didn't happen in sport, I don't know if it was malicious or not, some are saying it was, some are saying it wasn't.

It's a physical sport where you shouldn't expect to be kicked out of the game.

Buffy, you are being ridiculously unfair and overly emotional. It is horrible for Ramsay and I am desperately sad that his career may be ruined, hopefully a surgeon can piece him back together well enough for him to play again. In saying that, you seem to be implying that Shawcross is some sort of villian out to deliberately maim a player. This is ridiculous, and obviously untrue. It was a reckless tackle that deserved a red, but he was straight to the guys side, crouched over him and called for assistance (your own GIF shows this), and walked off in tears at what he had done. That is not the reaction of the type of player that you are trying to make him out to be. Sadly, injuries do happen in football.

Edit: sorry, looked again and saw that the player crouching over him was not Shawcross. My bad, but my point still stands.aitkenmike2010-02-28 20:33:17

have a read of this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=748406&sec=england&cc=3436&cc=3436

comments from Shawcross, Pulis and the club itself. Must say, the official parties at stoke are responding far better than Birmingham did

  Tommy_Smyth2010-02-28 21:23:47

Jesus Christ. Cant beleive this happened to such a great young talent. Seeing that happen to any player rips your heart out. Even from a Chelsea fan my condolence goes out to all you arsenal supporters and to Ramseys family. This is a sad day in football.

Get well soon Mr Ramsey.

not entirely sure why Buffoon is being "unfair"
I fail to see where he claimed the eventuality was intended. Or where he has called for jihad/holy war against Shawcross.
it's a bloody awful tackle, and you should not have to be an Arsenal fan to be able to understand this.

FWIW , MUFC, MCFC and (almost unbelievably) Tottenham have also had teams of 'lesser skill' try to kick them off the park this year, it just so happened that it caught up with an Arsenal player... again.
It is not specific to Arsenal, it should be a consideration for all who actually wish to see football, not kick and chase, or more accurately, kick whatever is moving. I'll hold no breath waiting for the FA to do anything about this, except FA

I have read a couple of articles now from bloggers who tend to blame this incident on the media for perpetuating the myth that Arsenal cant play and rough tactics. And i think they have a valid point.

http://arsenalaction.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/shawcross-is-a-thug-has-done-it-before-just-ask-francis-jeffers/?

I am surprised he saw it... "umm, eer, I deeeed not seeee it'

But seriously i hope he makes a full recovery, a good young player with a big future...

my point is

Reyes is another UG. Kicked off the park by the Neville's at Man U just because he megged them a few times, never the same again.

In fairness to teams like United and Chelsea they beat us playing smart, efficent football without the need to resort to dirty tactics. Even Spurs play football the right way against us. It's northern cloggers like Burnley, Bolton, Wigan, Hull, Blackburn, Stoke etc. who seem to know no other way than to "get in our faces" and "put a few reducers in".

Basically we get punished for playing beautiful football.

What you're asking for is increased punishment for constant unfair fouls. I think I'd agree with you there.

Last season Ronaldo got chopped down from behind so many times it wasn't funny. But because it was Ronaldo the player never even got booked.