Justice for the 96

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Justice for the 96
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19 Years ago today

http://www.thisisanfield.com/columnists/2008/04/96tears/


RIP

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96 fans gone but not forgotten
 
Justice for the 96
 
Youll Never Walk Alone
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I so remember this day, and it was awful. But the thing I remeber most about the incident was this. My best friend Danny Fresco, his uncle Monty was, probaly still is the lead phototgrapher for the Daily Mirror. He took a picture that was published on the front page of the paper of someone being crushed against the blue steel cage that was at Hillsbrough.
 
I bought the paper on my way to school, and when i saw his in the playground, I decked him!!, Completly out of the blue. When he got up he asked me why I had hit him, and I showed him the paper, and ws so angry that instead of trying to help he was taking pictures.
 
He said to me that there was nothing that he could do, as he never had steel cutters with him, and there was no way out of those cages that had been erected. He even got his uncle to phone me, months later, and tell me that he was still upset by the events of that day.
 
People going to watch a FA Cup Semi should never have been taken in that way, and there were so many unanswered questions regarding the day. Sure, that we all got better stadiums to watch the game in as a consequence of the Taylor report.
 
But did any police or FA or Hillsbrough offical ever get done for being involved in one of the worst days in British football.
 
Like all clubs, sometimes you blame the fans for stupid or uncalled for behaviour at matches. But these people wernt hooligans, they were real fans who just wanted to see thee beloved Liverpool reach a Cup Final.
 
The 96 will never be forgotten by us Arsenal fans either.
 
RIP
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Not wishing to start up a hornets nest but wanting to ask a genuine question.
 
Would it have happened if only those who had tickets had shown up? A lot of non ticket holders did show up trying to get in for free. Surely they should have stayed at home and allowed the ticket holders a trouble free afternoon.
 
It was a sad time for all concerned. A shame that a lot of fans died as a result of a lot of factors.
 
Thank God we have moved on and the fences removed. I'm still not convinced that all seaters are the answer, Standing  can be done in a safe yet secure way without the fences.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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RIP.

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Lonegunmen wrote:
Not wishing to start up a hornets nest but wanting to ask a genuine question.
 
Would it have happened if only those who had tickets had shown up? A lot of non ticket holders did show up trying to get in for free.
 


No hormets response from me, however this is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation spread by the Police Hierarchy, and jumped on by certain tabloids, that it is now taken as fact.

The interim Taylor report stated...
"Were Fans Without Tickets a Major Factor in the Build-Up?
200. It has become a fact of football life that fans do turn up at all-ticket matches without tickets. It is not possible to give an accurate figure or even a reliable estimate of the number without tickets on 15 April. Police estimates varied from about 200 to about 2,000. There were certainly frequent requests for tickets or "spares" during the hours before the build-up. Many of those warned off by the police were seen to return to the area. Some were hanging about on the bridge. Again, however, the police witnesses who most impressed me did not consider the number of ticketless fans to be inordinately large. This accords with two other sources of evidence."

and in the final report ...
"Fans Without Tickets
269. One problem which creates difficulties for the police is the arrival of would-be spectators without tickets at an all-ticket match. Although I found there was not a large body of such fans at Hillsborough there undoubtedly were some."

You have to remember, it was not a ticket-only match, so fans turning up without tickets, but trying to buy one legally should not be an issue.

YNWA

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Crazy-Horse wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:
Not wishing to start up a hornets nest but wanting to ask a genuine question.
 
Would it have happened if only those who had tickets had shown up? A lot of non ticket holders did show up trying to get in for free.
 


No hormets response from me, however this is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation spread by the Police Hierarchy, and jumped on by certain tabloids, that it is now taken as fact.

The interim Taylor report stated...
"Were Fans Without Tickets a Major Factor in the Build-Up?
200. It has become a fact of football life that fans do turn up at all-ticket matches without tickets. It is not possible to give an accurate figure or even a reliable estimate of the number without tickets on 15 April. Police estimates varied from about 200 to about 2,000. There were certainly frequent requests for tickets or "spares" during the hours before the build-up. Many of those warned off by the police were seen to return to the area. Some were hanging about on the bridge. Again, however, the police witnesses who most impressed me did not consider the number of ticketless fans to be inordinately large. This accords with two other sources of evidence."

and in the final report ...
"Fans Without Tickets
269. One problem which creates difficulties for the police is the arrival of would-be spectators without tickets at an all-ticket match. Although I found there was not a large body of such fans at Hillsborough there undoubtedly were some."

You have to remember, it was not a ticket-only match, so fans turning up without tickets, but trying to buy one legally should not be an issue.

YNWA

 
Thanks for giving me an proper answer, I appreciate it very much and have wanted to really understand what, why & how etc. You have answered the only doubt I had at the time. Again, thanks heaps!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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R.I.P.
 
Justice for the 96.
 
 
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RIP
 
YNWA.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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RIP the 96.

Three for me, and two for them.

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RIP to all those who died, YNWA to the families who have been put through such a hard time. The one thing Shankly got wrong was that football is not more important than life. Nobody should go to a game and never return.
 
Justice
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I remember waking up on what was a Sunday morning in 1989 here in New Zealand and hearing reports from Hillsborough on the radio. 

 
As a teenager I understood what had happened, and how utterly catastrophic it was, but I didn�t actually GET the full story behind it until years later when I read the accounts of people who were there that day and lived to tell the awful tale, as well as those for who someone close to them didn�t come home.

 

A subsequent inquiry found the cause of the crush was overcrowding, and the reason for it was a failure by the Yorkshire Police to adequately control the crowd. 

 
What has never been fully acknowledged is the way in which the families of the dead were treated as they travelled to Hillsborough to identify their dead relatives.  On that most tragic of days, they were interrogated, shunted around, kept waiting for hours and treated like second-class citizens as they tried to come to terms with the horrific deaths of their loved ones and provide them with some sort of dignity.

 

If you haven�t ever read anything about the Hillsborough disaster, I urge you to find one of the numerous websites dedicated to it and spend some time digesting the awful events of that day.  It won�t be easy, and you won�t enjoy it, but I guarantee it�ll give you a more rounded view of a disaster that you may only have a passing knowledge of.

 

Here�s a good place to start� http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/

 

As you run your eyes down the list of those who lost their lives that day, it�s hard to take it all in.  Behind each name there lies a story of a family�s grief at the unexplainable loss of their brother, sister, father, mother, daughter or son. 

 
Understandably there are many males aged between 20 and 40 on the list of the dead, but there are others that just make your heart sink.  A father and his 14-year old son on his first visit to a football match together.  Teenage sisters whose father pleaded desperately with police to do something as he watched his daughters die.  A ten-year old boy for goodness sake.  And so many more.

 

As you read the accounts of the families who lost a part of them on that April day twenty years ago, I challenge you not to feel a lump in your throat, a chill down your spine, a tear on your cheek.  I�ve read them many times, and all three of those things always happen to me. 

 

It was a football match.  Only a football match.  How on earth � why on earth � did this happen?

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Fred Sefton pulling people up into the seats above from the crush below.
The quiet once they let us out.
The smell.
The bus back to the station.
People yelling at us.
The quiet on the train.
Angry voices.
The cup final.
20 years on.
RIP 96.YNWA.

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It doesn't matter who you support when it comes to these terrible tragedies. They trancend everything.

RIP to all those that left us.
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Tomorrow night and Friday morning.

"Hillsborough - 20 Years On" will premiere on the History Channel on
Thursday April 16th at 9.30pm and repeated on Friday April 17th 7.30 AM

This special blends personal testimonies with powerful archive to provide a
detailed account of the day, exploring the range of elements that combined
to make Hillsborough the tragedy that it was.


Or for an excellent piece published in the Telegraph recently, by Phil Scraton


http://tinyurl.com/ceo2ag
Hillsborough football stadium disaster: a fight for justice and wounds that never heal
Twenty years after the Hillsborough football stadium disaster, questions remain unanswered and, for the families of the 96 Liverpool fans who died, justice has yet to be done.


At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.

Justice is still needed.

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Gone but never forgotten R.I.P

there has to be accountability

justice for the 96
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RIP


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20 years? Where has it gone and why so fast? Yet these fans are not forgotten, not faded away from memory.
 
It sadly seems it was only last week when it happened. Lets hope it never ever happens again for everyones sake.
 
RIP
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Documentary on History Channel tonight at 9.30pm. 

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There was a Football Focus special on before the Blackburn game that showed exactly how it happened and even shows the turnstile area and the central tunnel and what happened when Gate C was opened. This leaves no question about how the tragedy happened. The only question you will have is how no one in authority could be held accountable. At least watch parts 1 & 2.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRs-3jQmf8&NR=1 (10 mins)
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4NvFIDcdEM&feature=related (6:34)
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXDeiDiA3R0&feature=related (7:04)
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmWY5CyL5Q&feature=related (7:33)
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE6omI9ki3o&feature=related (5:18)
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_YylJznzhA&feature=related (8:48)
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBl4Ww_m7E&feature=related (4:56)


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Did I hear some "Justice for the 96" chants from the Everton fans in thier game this morning? If so, respect. I wish that the two clubs could get along like they did 20 years ago. The memorial service was incredible too.
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http://www.epltalk.com/steven-cohen-blames-liverpool-fans-for-hillsborough-disaster/5915

Quite ill informed comment. That said, some ofthe notes on the numbers of ticketless are worth looking at. I for one had that at the back of my mind for some time.
dairyflat2009-04-21 08:57:48
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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So anybody know an accurate approximation of just how many did show without tickets? Just curious.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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The approx numbers, I believe, are in the Taylor Report.

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/taylor.shtm might say...
dairyflat2009-04-21 11:43:17
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Couldn't find specific numbers...

Fans Without Tickets
269. One problem which creates difficulties for the police is the arrival of would-be spectators without
tickets at an all-ticket match. Although I found there was not a large body of such fans at Hillsborough there
undoubtedly were some. At other matches the numbers have not only been large; they have been determined
to gain entrance by one means or another. If they could not acquire tickets at the ground they have created so
much trouble that the police have judged it best to let them in. Sometimes this has been for payment; on
occasions, even free. The rationale has been that it is better to have troublemakers inside the ground where
they can be monitored than roaming round the town at large. Obviously, the practice of admitting fans
without tickets has a bad knock-on effect. Bands of fans unable to get tickets believe that if they turn up and
create sufficient clamour the police will admit them.
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Fans without tickets at the game is way down the list when it comes to reasons Hillsborough happened. I seriously doubt it is a reason at all.
Steven Cohen is ill-informed. 6 to 8 thousand ticket less fans. That is just ridiculous.
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Most arsenal fans have read 'fever pitch' by nick hornby - great read, very funny and should strike a chord with most football fans, gooners or otherwise.

But he does take a serious note when he touches upon hillsborough and goes in depth with his opinion of the events and causes. He makes some great points - basically to summarise he suggests that to narrow things down to this one event and attempt to start blaming people for hillsborough is sheer folly. He says English football ground regulations and the way they were policed was ridiculous - it was a disaster waiting to happen, and then it did. It was just a damn shame that it took 96 deaths to make something happen. Hornby did back it up with personal experience, citing several examples of different grounds he'd been to and been crushed in - not enough to injure him or make news headlines, but enough to scare the sh*t out of him and make him realise that one day it could be worse, and he just hoped he wouldn't be involved on that day. When that day came he wasn't involved, but was in a position to be able to write about it and give his insight.
 
I personally know very little about the whole incident but Hornby is a very logical and frank writer and it made a lot of sense to me when reading it.
 
On a sidenote, if anyone decides to read Fever Pitch, try his other books too - he's brilliant.
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sanday wrote:
Fans without tickets at the game is way down the list when it comes to reasons Hillsborough happened. I seriously doubt it is a reason at all.
Steven Cohen is ill-informed. 6 to 8 thousand ticket less fans. That is just ridiculous.
 
Is right.
 
On the subject of Hornby... High Fidelity!! Love that.
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El-Kun wrote:
sanday wrote:
Fans without tickets at the game is way down the list when it comes to reasons Hillsborough happened. I seriously doubt it is a reason at all.
Steven Cohen is ill-informed. 6 to 8 thousand ticket less fans. That is just ridiculous.
 
Is right.
 
On the subject of Hornby... High Fidelity!! Love that.
 
Am actually just reading that now, it's very clever.
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