Liverpool Thread - Premier League Champions* 2019/20 (Part 1)
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The Degen sub was particularly baffling, and so was Pacheo for Yossi.
you lads got much money to buy???
Rafa's comments after the game:
He said: "Someone said we needed four or five players. I would more or less agree with that. That is what we have to do. Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool is a massive club. There has been a change in the last two or three years. We have had to balance the books and manage in this way.
I do not know whether I will have any funds. We will find out in the summer. But the name is there and we have to do our best for it."
I don't think there'll be much money for anyone next season. The debts of most clubs is getting out of control, Portsmouth were the first to go but there will surely be others hovering above the same fate
You guys can't even get funding for a stadium such is your level of debt
I think Rafa will need to learn how to op shop for bargain buys like the rest of us mid table teams
Question: should Jamie Carragher be a first team starter next season ?
Yeah I read Alex McLeish was mooted as a potential replacement
im still gutted over the defeat. realy gutted.
I thought you supported Sheffield Wednesday.
although this game has been awfully dreary, the only good thing in the first 20 mimutes was the commentators taking the piss out of drogba
he may not be actively trying to throw it, but he's clearly not trying very hard to win it.
haha that was class
Depressing. Reina deserves better than that. Lucas was good, too. We played okay up until Stevie did his traditional back pass. Then fatigue flew in and the heads dropped. And we barely managed a shot. I'm gutted, but I guess we have to look at the bigger picture regarding the Mancs. We were too tired from the Atleti match and they had so much to play for.
1. Signings. We've often queried and blasted some of Rafa's signings but we got four quality players this season and the possibility of a fifth in Jonjo just arriving.
Johnson, Maxi, Soto and Aqua have all showed their worth through the season. Soto is a giant at the back, Maxi and Johnson have good vision and I can see them continuing to cement their places. Aqua when he's been able to play has showed glimpses of something special so no real complaints from me here.
2. Two players I've loved to hate over the years have proved me wrong this season. Babel and Lucas. Both have upped their work rate considerably especially in the second half of the season. Babel's still missing something but at least he's giving it everything he's got at the moment which is a far cry from previous season. Credit due here.
3. Kuyt and Masch. A couple of stalwarts who have given 110% in every match and probably played in most games this season.
4. Nando when he's playing. Can't deny an almost 1:1 goal to game ratio. It's a shame the world cup is in as far as Liv'pool are concerned. The kid needs to rest.
5. Pepe Reina. For me, by an far the best player we've had this season. Leading from the back without him we've almost be facing relegation this season. Given the support (or lack there of) around him at times he more than often kept us in the game. Only a red beach ball proved too much. Cheers Pepe, happy to have you aboard for another 6 and a player who's name I'd wear on my back.
Time for reflection on a horror season. We know the negatives so here's some positives for me:
Did you guys warm up with roll over and play dead ?That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting. I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players� looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards they're both frauds
Not sure if you watched it or not but we were there until Gerrard's blunder. Given the season we've had and the pressure over the last couple of weeks I'm not surprised the guys were deflated after that. What was left to play for? We certainly aren't under fire by Everton climbing above us on the table.
Positive No.7 We finished higher than Everton.
Rumours circulating that Benitez is gone.
Fair to say he's been gone for a while now... Unless a miracle take over of the club happens in the next couple of weeks with a sizable transfer purse Rafa will have his Juve contract in his top draw and his pen waiting to sign.
Expectations for season too high - Rafael Benitez
If you watch the video:
"Because we encourage you to say these things don't we? Because every week we say, can you still finish fourth, Rafa?"
What's he going to say? No, we're aiming for sixth?
Really, Rafa isn't out there on the pitch - he just holds ultimate responsibility. Rafa's not wholly responsible for the way Gerrard's played this season - final responsibility for the way Gerard's played this whole season lies with him. Nor can you really lay the blame for the brace of injuries of late, or the in-fighting at management level, or the strutural changes forced on the club by Hicks and Gillett.
When you get down to brass tacks, this is a poor season for the Reds. Any other team - for example, another Merseyside team dressed in blue - they'd be dancing in the aisles with 7th in the league and the semis of Europa. ;) Not to take the piss any, but yeah, some of the criticism is a bit rich when some teams don't have managers that would even dare to set the bar in the first place.
I love to hear transfer rumours, too - largely because they don't often tell a real story. What they often do is project hopes of what would make an opposing team weaker. It's nice to hear people's insecurities about certain players, though, because then at least we know we have some players who're doing the right thing.
The only things that are true right now is that we have a new chairman, these dark years of Hicks and Gillett leveraging the club into non-existence will soon be over.
dontsurf2010-05-03 13:24:25
Did you guys warm up with roll over and play dead ?That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting. I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards they're both frauds
Not sure if you watched it or not but we were there until Gerrard's blunder. Given the season we've had and the pressure over the last couple of weeks I'm not surprised the guys were deflated after that. What was left to play for? We certainly aren't under fire by Everton climbing above us on the table.
Positive No.7 We finished higher than Everton.Yip got up and watched the whole game
Even though N'gog is a gigantic big ballsack burger, he surely was a better option than Degen, especially given that we needed another goal...
That bench was pretty awful though, but then again our starting line up ain't much better.
Masch was f**king exhausted and Degen is a fullback? Maybe... Or maybe because he was already on a yellow card? Or maybe it was because he lost Forlan for the goal? Or maybe because he was giving the ball away a lot? Besides, Degen did fine. Not really ideal to have him coming off the bench, but think about it.
El-Ni�o2010-04-30 17:22:26
Rafa's comments after the game:
He said: "Someone said we needed four or five players. I would more or less agree with that. That is what we have to do. Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool is a massive club. There has been a change in the last two or three years. We have had to balance the books and manage in this way.
I do not know whether I will have any funds. We will find out in the summer. But the name is there and we have to do our best for it."
You guys can't even get funding for a stadium such is your level of debt
I think Rafa will need to learn how to op shop for bargain buys like the rest of us mid table teams
If he's still here next season...
Yeah I read Alex McLeish was mooted as a potential replacement
Question: should Jamie Carragher be a first team starter next season ?
Question: should Jamie Carragher be a first team starter next season ?
Question: should Jamie Carragher be a first team starter next season ?
depends who for?
Yeah, I think so. Was awful at the start of the season, but picked up his form. Although I still like the idea of a Skrtel-Agger combination. And Carra just hoooooofs it every time.
I know he's liver-pool through and through, but I just wonder whether he's worthy of a starting spot. Of the games i've seen this season, i've felt he was playing very much below par,not so much being carried by the others ,but just not as sharp as he was a couple of seasons ago.
Nah. He's nowhere near that level.
after that opening game of the season loss against spurs i updated my facebook status to something along the lines of
"not a whole lot should be read into the first game of the season"
im just glad my manc and gooner mates dont remember it
"not a whole lot should be read into the first game of the season"
im just glad my manc and gooner mates dont remember it
im still gutted over the defeat. realy gutted.
I thought you supported Sheffield Wednesday.
I never said I disliked Perennial strugglers Liverpool infact I said "I like Perennial strugglers Liverpool and I think oi always will"
i rekon cara's still got a season and a half or so of being first choice centre back in him.
hes recieved alot of criticism this season for his constant hoofing of the ball.
if the players in front of him continue to be as static as they have been this season then we may need another CB who can bring the ball out of defence better
Orrrr, just hope Agger can stay fit?
thing is is that he has been fit when cara has been hoofing,
very confusing that cara is the one trying to bring the ball out of defence when agger has far greater techincal ability on the ball
Latest is that manager will be going to Juv.
Feels like a 'no win' situation today, especially after Spurs and City won yesterday.
horrible pass back by stevie jus them
que the calls gerrard was trying to throw the game.
i personally dont think hes like that at all
que the calls gerrard was trying to throw the game.
i personally dont think hes like that at all
he may not be actively trying to throw it, but he's clearly not trying very hard to win it.
although this game has been awfully dreary, the only good thing in the first 20 mimutes was the commentators taking the piss out of drogba
although this game has been awfully dreary, the only good thing in the first 20 mimutes was the commentators taking the piss out of drogba
although this game has been awfully dreary, the only good thing in the first 20 mimutes was the commentators taking the piss out of drogba
haha that was class
fat frank may have just won chelsea the title... maybe we should start trying now
this is really really horrible
were losing a game and i dont feel gutted
i hate it
were losing a game and i dont feel gutted
i hate it
wow @ the look on nando's face just then
one left...
On the bright side, because Everton didn't win at least we can't bollocks the season up any more than this.
Depressing. Reina deserves better than that. Lucas was good, too. We played okay up until Stevie did his traditional back pass. Then fatigue flew in and the heads dropped. And we barely managed a shot. I'm gutted, but I guess we have to look at the bigger picture regarding the Mancs. We were too tired from the Atleti match and they had so much to play for.
Can I have my club back please?
Can I have my club back please?
yes, he was very good and seemed genuinly gutted about the goals no1 else seemed to care, that was an extremely lackluster performance, yossi was good also but thats about it
nando did not look happy at all about the situation.
Reina > City
Torres > Valencia
Gerrard > Reserves
Torres > Valencia
Gerrard > Reserves
Time for reflection on a horror season. We know the negatives so here's some positives for me:
1. Signings. We've often queried and blasted some of Rafa's signings but we got four quality players this season and the possibility of a fifth in Jonjo just arriving.
Johnson, Maxi, Soto and Aqua have all showed their worth through the season. Soto is a giant at the back, Maxi and Johnson have good vision and I can see them continuing to cement their places. Aqua when he's been able to play has showed glimpses of something special so no real complaints from me here.
2. Two players I've loved to hate over the years have proved me wrong this season. Babel and Lucas. Both have upped their work rate considerably especially in the second half of the season. Babel's still missing something but at least he's giving it everything he's got at the moment which is a far cry from previous season. Credit due here.
3. Kuyt and Masch. A couple of stalwarts who have given 110% in every match and probably played in most games this season.
4. Nando when he's playing. Can't deny an almost 1:1 goal to game ratio. It's a shame the world cup is in as far as Liv'pool are concerned. The kid needs to rest.
5. Pepe Reina. For me, by an far the best player we've had this season. Leading from the back without him we've almost be facing relegation this season. Given the support (or lack there of) around him at times he more than often kept us in the game. Only a red beach ball proved too much. Cheers Pepe, happy to have you aboard for another 6 and a player who's name I'd wear on my back.
1. Signings. We've often queried and blasted some of Rafa's signings but we got four quality players this season and the possibility of a fifth in Jonjo just arriving.
Johnson, Maxi, Soto and Aqua have all showed their worth through the season. Soto is a giant at the back, Maxi and Johnson have good vision and I can see them continuing to cement their places. Aqua when he's been able to play has showed glimpses of something special so no real complaints from me here.
2. Two players I've loved to hate over the years have proved me wrong this season. Babel and Lucas. Both have upped their work rate considerably especially in the second half of the season. Babel's still missing something but at least he's giving it everything he's got at the moment which is a far cry from previous season. Credit due here.
3. Kuyt and Masch. A couple of stalwarts who have given 110% in every match and probably played in most games this season.
4. Nando when he's playing. Can't deny an almost 1:1 goal to game ratio. It's a shame the world cup is in as far as Liv'pool are concerned. The kid needs to rest.
5. Pepe Reina. For me, by an far the best player we've had this season. Leading from the back without him we've almost be facing relegation this season. Given the support (or lack there of) around him at times he more than often kept us in the game. Only a red beach ball proved too much. Cheers Pepe, happy to have you aboard for another 6 and a player who's name I'd wear on my back.
Did you guys warm up with roll over and play dead ?
That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting.
I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot
Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.
Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards
they're both frauds
giddyup2010-05-03 08:40:15
That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting.
I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot
Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.
Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards
they're both frauds
giddyup2010-05-03 08:40:15
1. Signings. We've often queried and blasted some of Rafa's signings but we got four quality players this season and the possibility of a fifth in Jonjo just arriving.
Johnson, Maxi, Soto and Aqua have all showed their worth through the season. Soto is a giant at the back, Maxi and Johnson have good vision and I can see them continuing to cement their places. Aqua when he's been able to play has showed glimpses of something special so no real complaints from me here.
2. Two players I've loved to hate over the years have proved me wrong this season. Babel and Lucas. Both have upped their work rate considerably especially in the second half of the season. Babel's still missing something but at least he's giving it everything he's got at the moment which is a far cry from previous season. Credit due here.
3. Kuyt and Masch. A couple of stalwarts who have given 110% in every match and probably played in most games this season.
4. Nando when he's playing. Can't deny an almost 1:1 goal to game ratio. It's a shame the world cup is in as far as Liv'pool are concerned. The kid needs to rest.
5. Pepe Reina. For me, by an far the best player we've had this season. Leading from the back without him we've almost be facing relegation this season. Given the support (or lack there of) around him at times he more than often kept us in the game. Only a red beach ball proved too much. Cheers Pepe, happy to have you aboard for another 6 and a player who's name I'd wear on my back.
6. Have finally got rid of the yanks (hopefully)
Expectations for season too high - Rafael Benitez
Following the 2-0 home defeat to Chelsea, Perennial strugglers Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says the problems the club suffered throughout the season were "difficult to manage" because "expectations were too high".
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/Perennial strugglers Liverpool/8657284.stm
Didn't he guarantee 4th place?
Didn't he guarantee 4th place?
Rumours circulating that Benitez is gone.
its funny everyone saying we rolled over and let them win.
at the end of the day all we had to play for the highly unlikely chance of getting fourth, why should we be the ones expected to go out playing like we are about to win the title.
up until that pass from steven "superman" gerrard, chelsea were playing with absolutly no intesnsity,
they let us dictate the tempo of the game, which is strange considering what they were playing for.
at the end of the day all we had to play for the highly unlikely chance of getting fourth, why should we be the ones expected to go out playing like we are about to win the title.
up until that pass from steven "superman" gerrard, chelsea were playing with absolutly no intesnsity,
they let us dictate the tempo of the game, which is strange considering what they were playing for.
Did you guys warm up with roll over and play dead ?That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting. I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players� looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards they're both frauds
Not sure if you watched it or not but we were there until Gerrard's blunder. Given the season we've had and the pressure over the last couple of weeks I'm not surprised the guys were deflated after that. What was left to play for? We certainly aren't under fire by Everton climbing above us on the table.
Positive No.7 We finished higher than Everton.
Fair to say he's been gone for a while now... Unless a miracle take over of the club happens in the next couple of weeks with a sizable transfer purse Rafa will have his Juve contract in his top draw and his pen waiting to sign.
[QUOTE=Everton FC]Expectations for season too high - Rafael Benitez
Following the 2-0 home defeat to Chelsea, Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says the problems the club suffered throughout the season were "difficult to manage" because "expectations were too high".
This is a shocker Rafa. I feel like he is starting to make lame excuses, expectations too high, goalposts changed, owners backed out on there promises blah blah. Sorry Kop was trying to stay positive but can't do it today.
How about Roy Hodgson as the new manager?
Following the 2-0 home defeat to Chelsea, Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says the problems the club suffered throughout the season were "difficult to manage" because "expectations were too high".
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool/8657284.stm
Didn't he guarantee 4th place?
If you watch the video:
"Because we encourage you to say these things don't we? Because every week we say, can you still finish fourth, Rafa?"
What's he going to say? No, we're aiming for sixth?
Really, Rafa isn't out there on the pitch - he just holds ultimate responsibility. Rafa's not wholly responsible for the way Gerrard's played this season - final responsibility for the way Gerard's played this whole season lies with him. Nor can you really lay the blame for the brace of injuries of late, or the in-fighting at management level, or the strutural changes forced on the club by Hicks and Gillett.
When you get down to brass tacks, this is a poor season for the Reds. Any other team - for example, another Merseyside team dressed in blue - they'd be dancing in the aisles with 7th in the league and the semis of Europa. ;) Not to take the piss any, but yeah, some of the criticism is a bit rich when some teams don't have managers that would even dare to set the bar in the first place.
I love to hear transfer rumours, too - largely because they don't often tell a real story. What they often do is project hopes of what would make an opposing team weaker. It's nice to hear people's insecurities about certain players, though, because then at least we know we have some players who're doing the right thing.
The only things that are true right now is that we have a new chairman, these dark years of Hicks and Gillett leveraging the club into non-existence will soon be over.
dontsurf2010-05-03 13:24:25
Did you guys warm up with roll over and play dead ?That was disgusting,I'm no Liver-pool fan but that performance was disgusting. I realise even the players don't want United to get a 4th in a row and ruin your title record but paleese play with some fight at least.The players looked like they didn't want to be there and where was the game being played at Anfield or the Emirates jesus christ there was no atmosphere just resignation from the fans. what a sad day for you lot Ngog must be Rafa's last sub at Anfield now surely.Oh and Maxi and Aqualini are the two reasons not to give Rafa access to the company credit cards they're both frauds
Not sure if you watched it or not but we were there until Gerrard's blunder. Given the season we've had and the pressure over the last couple of weeks I'm not surprised the guys were deflated after that. What was left to play for? We certainly aren't under fire by Everton climbing above us on the table.
Positive No.7 We finished higher than Everton.