Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.
Yes - very enjoyable watching the PE teacher beat all the great tacticians in world football.
Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.
Yes - very enjoyable watching the PE teacher beat all the great tacticians in world football.
Good on Leeds for giving it a go, definitely made the game an attractive watch, but the way they played suited us to a tee.
Slick passing and quickly breaking when possession was turned over was always going to hurt them. Perhaps put it down to a little Premier League naivety in the fact that very few teams can attack and blitz away for 90 minutes without the need to sit back and at least absorb some pressure when required too.
They'll learn how to balance that over time, but in saying that, definitely no complaints from me over here!
Leeds basically play the same as City except without the cynical fouls to break prevent counter attacks.
Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.
Yes - very enjoyable watching the PE teacher beat all the great tacticians in world football.
Doubt it was anything except our players are better than Leeds. The market value says 175 million quid against 754 million.Not even close.
Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.
Yes - very enjoyable watching the PE teacher beat all the great tacticians in world football.
Doubt it was anything except our players are better than Leeds. The market value says 175 million quid against 754 million.Not even close.
So when we win, it's because the players are better. But when we lose, it's the manager's fault?
It was interesting reading the criticism of the line-up from United fans on social media. Particularly after Pogba had a strong game last week. Ole very clearly earmarked this game for Scott and Fred and both had outstanding games.
Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.
Yes - very enjoyable watching the PE teacher beat all the great tacticians in world football.
Doubt it was anything except our players are better than Leeds. The market value says 175 million quid against 754 million.Not even close.
So when we win, it's because the players are better. But when we lose, it's the manager's fault?
It was interesting reading the criticism of the line-up from United fans on social media. Particularly after Pogba had a strong game last week. Ole very clearly earmarked this game for Scott and Fred and both had outstanding games.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
So, who's fault is it that we're rocketing up the table and within touching distance of first? Ole's incompetence or the players ignoring his instructions and doing their own thing? You say he's not up to his job, but he looks more up to it than anyone we've had since Sir Alex.
I'm not saying he's perfect but he deserves far more credit than you give him Leggy.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
Felt this is kinda in the ballpark of what Leggy is saying. The second opinion, not the first.
That said I'd rather it be Ole than most others. I enjoy it more knowing he's managing.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
In regards to James, you reiterate my point that Ole nailed the team selection.
AWB is still significantly better than what we had and will continue to grow. Maguire isn't perfect but he's light years ahead what we had in Lindelof and whoever wasn't injured that week. Maguire, btw, is leading the league in aerial duals an interceptions. Not out of this world amazing but by no means a bad defender.
This club is on the right trajectory and Ole is solely responsible for that. We're finally putting right the bullshark we went through with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho and finally have a healthy looking squad.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.
This is what the fans thought of Maguire.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
and this from the MEN football reporters
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-player-ratings-fernandes-19253450
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.
This is what the fans thought of Maguire.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
and this from the MEN football reporters
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
Reverting to tabloid journalism to prove your point is a bit misguided. The mere fact that "fans poll" has Lindelof above Maguire speaks volumes about the veracity of it.
Maguire did have a garbage start to the year but he's been hands down our best defender this year. Is he Rio or Vidic? No. But he's putting in good shifts in the majority of games alongside a CB who struggles for consistency even more than he does. One thing I think that Maguire does brilliantly is step out of the back line with the ball with confidence.
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.
This is what the fans thought of Maguire.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
and this from the MEN football reporters
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-player-ratings-fernandes-19253450
I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK
Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:
Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.
And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?
So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.
My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps.
Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.
AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.
This is what the fans thought of Maguire.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
and this from the MEN football reporters
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...
My opinion is just that. I don't necessarily agree with what I see on line. I go with what I actually see on live games. I most certainly have not bought it hook line and sinker as you put it. Having been a Utd fan for over 60 years and watched over 1000 of their games plus 5/6 other EPL games every week I think I have a reasonable idea of the game. What I am not though, is a supporter that cannot or will not say anything untoward their team.You are certainly entitled to your opinion as am I
This Edinson Cavani fella is alright, isn't he?
Solid win against a good Wolves outfit. 2nd on the table heading into New Years, only 2 points off the top and having done brilliantly in a congested month of fixtures. Would have taken that at the start of the season in a heartbeat.
Still lots to do of course, however we seem to be doing a good job of rotating the squad, competition for places is healthy and we're without too many injury hassles too. Optimism is rising, but under no illusion about what the second half of the season will hold.
Solid win against a good Wolves outfit. 2nd on the table heading into New Years, only 2 points off the top and having done brilliantly in a congested month of fixtures. Would have taken that at the start of the season in a heartbeat.
Still lots to do of course, however we seem to be doing a good job of rotating the squad, competition for places is healthy and we're without too many injury hassles too. Optimism is rising, but under no illusion about what the second half of the season will hold.
The 'this' button is not working, so I am am saying I agree with your comments in general.
Solid win against a good Wolves outfit. 2nd on the table heading into New Years, only 2 points off the top and having done brilliantly in a congested month of fixtures. Would have taken that at the start of the season in a heartbeat.
Still lots to do of course, however we seem to be doing a good job of rotating the squad, competition for places is healthy and we're without too many injury hassles too. Optimism is rising, but under no illusion about what the second half of the season will hold.
The 'this' button is not working, so I am am saying I agree with your comments in general.
Maybe you tried to change something you didn't have access to.
Cavani banned for three matches and fined 100,000 from the FA.
In the notes they state that Cavani is clearly not racist and there was no intent to be a racist. But ban him for three games anyway.
Honestly this is insanity.
There is a point where Ole will have to be given some credit although i suspect that wont happen until he has won the Champions League three times in a row.
There is a point where Ole will have to be given some credit although i suspect that wont happen until he has won the Champions League three times in a row.
To win one thing might be a start.
Top of the league after 17 games. If you offered me that day 1 then I'd have ripped your hand off. Big game on the weekend, pretty much the definition of a 6 pointer. Can't wait!
After half an hour gone I would have taken a point. We were cagey and timid at best, giving the ball away and making some poor decisions on the ball, and perpetually camped out in our own half. But to be fair, Liverpool never really had any gilt-edged chances throughout the game, so a good effort by the boys at the back there. In the end we probably can feel unlucky we didn't take home all three points.
Nearly jumped through the roof with disappointment on Pogba's effort being saved late on. Had to bury it...but these are the fine margins that define the outcomes of these games.
Teams seem to have worked out Liverpool this term though, and injuries aside, they seem very flat these past 4-5 games.
Heads up, concentrate on Fulham on Thursday and then another crack at the scousers next Sunday.
Bit frustrating not having much ball but Liverpool were no fish all batter. Lots of possession with maybe one memorable chance from it. Thought we were more dangerous all game and better decision making from Rashy or better finishing from Pogba and we would've snuck away 1-0. But not too disappointed.
Ole said in his post-match that he was disappointed that the team didn't hold the ball better which summed it up well.
Starting XI versus Fulham on Thursday with Liverpool again on Monday. Will be interesting to see who starts for Fulham. Would be nice to give Bruno a rest.
Sounds like Bruno will be rested as he's on the verge of suspension if he picks up a yellow card. Although I suspect he will be on the bench, regardless, he would no doubt be wanting to play as well. I'm also just being selfish because of FPL reasons ?
Threshold for yellow cards goes from 5 to 10 after round 19 fixtures so even though we'll want to keep staking our claim to the top spot, I suspect he'll drop out of the XI.
Sounds like Bruno will be rested as he's on the verge of suspension if he picks up a yellow card. Although I suspect he will be on the bench, regardless, he would no doubt be wanting to play as well. I'm also just being selfish because of FPL reasons ?
Threshold for yellow cards goes from 5 to 10 after round 19 fixtures so even though we'll want to keep staking our claim to the top spot, I suspect he'll drop out of the XI.
Todays game just goes to show that whilst we are improving we are still too massively inconsistent in our results to think we can compete for the league.
I still think that we move the ball too slowly to break down teams who sit with a low block. It's disappointing considering a City team without Aguero and KDB can spank West Brom and we still struggle to score against Sheffield.
Sheffield United pulled off one of the shocks of the season as title-chasing Manchester United were beaten 2-1 by Chris Wilder's improving side.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side had the chance to leapfrog Manchester City back into top spot but froze under the pressure against bottom-of-the-league Blades, who had only won once in the Premier League this season.
We just aren't good enough yet. Maybe, we will be soon with a bit more investment. At least we are moving in the right direction. It will be interesting to see how they react to a loss.
OGS in press conference. No new injuries. Says he’s had delegates’ report from Sheff Utd game. Ref admitted both decisions were wrong. SU’s goal should have been disallowed and MUFC’s should have stood.
Source: https://twitter.com/AndyMitten/status/1356233339573821443
Essentially the league admitting that we were robbed three points and that VAR was too scared to overrule De Gea getting taken out and Maguire NOT fouling the keeper.
OGS in press conference. No new injuries. Says he’s had delegates’ report from Sheff Utd game. Ref admitted both decisions were wrong. SU’s goal should have been disallowed and MUFC’s should have stood.
Source: https://twitter.com/AndyMitten/status/1356233339573821443
Essentially the league admitting that we were robbed three points and that VAR was too scared to overrule De Gea getting taken out and Maguire NOT fouling the keeper.
Also shamelessly posted copied from reddit:
Between these 2 calls, the Fred penalty shout vs Fulham, the disallowed Maguire goal vs Burnley and the very debatable Shaw call in the same game (that foul I’ve seen inconsistently called since), we’ve had some rotten decisions against us recently.
Our goal could never have been allowed, cos ref had blown his whistle for the "foul" before the ball was in the net. Still some bizarre decisions - seems to have turned on its head since Klopp had a whinge at the refs.
Apparently this isn't a foul.
Frustrates me to say but we've been absolutely screwed since Klopp had a moan about the referees. In almost every game since we've had a farcical call against us. From De Gea being manhandled to Maguire's disallowed goal for jumping.
There's probably 9 points sitting on the table.