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Is it true that Jose is personally sponsored by NCP and National Express?

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Great come back against the Champions elect.

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The cheer when City scored their second and the commentators harping on for 45 minutes about how City will already have the champagne open. Lol!

Also City fans feeling aggrieved at Herrera's time wasting. Obviously they weren't City fans back in December.

The season isn't over yet, but interesting to note this calendar year City and United both share the same 9-2-2 record.

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From a neutrals perspective that was a glorious game, a belter of a classic.

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Was a great watch, even if the evil doer won.

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valeo wrote:

Was a great watch, even if the evil doer won.

Diddums. 

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Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

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Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

Is this referencing anything in particular or just a general comment on Jose? 
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Nelfoos wrote:

Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

Is this referencing anything in particular or just a general comment on Jose? 

Googling Jose Mourinho reveals some Rashford related gossip, but only from Metro.

Aside from the fact that it's probably horseshark I wouldn't blame him. Rashford can become one of the world's best strikers and he isn't going to do that from left-wing / the bench.

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20 Legend wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

Is this referencing anything in particular or just a general comment on Jose? 

Googling Jose Mourinho reveals some Rashford related gossip, but only from Metro.

Aside from the fact that it's probably horseshark I wouldn't blame him. Rashford can become one of the world's best strikers and he isn't going to do that from left-wing / the bench.

So you play him regardless? Rashford is good but not one of the worlds best strikers right now. Massive potential, but too inconsistent. 

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Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

Is this referencing anything in particular or just a general comment on Jose? 

Googling Jose Mourinho reveals some Rashford related gossip, but only from Metro.

Aside from the fact that it's probably horseshark I wouldn't blame him. Rashford can become one of the world's best strikers and he isn't going to do that from left-wing / the bench.

So you play him regardless? Rashford is good but not one of the worlds best strikers right now. Massive potential, but too inconsistent. 

No, but Lukaku has played almost every minute of every single game bar perhaps a league cup match. Perhaps 20 minutes off the bench every now and then!

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20 Legend wrote:

Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jose is coming across as a bit of a bully without class. There is  times for conversations and there is also places for conversations. Whether this is a media beat up is debatable.

Is this referencing anything in particular or just a general comment on Jose? 

Googling Jose Mourinho reveals some Rashford related gossip, but only from Metro.

Aside from the fact that it's probably horseshark I wouldn't blame him. Rashford can become one of the world's best strikers and he isn't going to do that from left-wing / the bench.

So you play him regardless? Rashford is good but not one of the worlds best strikers right now. Massive potential, but too inconsistent. 

No, but Lukaku has played almost every minute of every single game bar perhaps a league cup match. Perhaps 20 minutes off the bench every now and then!

Agree with that.

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Pretty good sources saying Martial wants to leave.

Are we watching the start of the Mourinho talent drain?

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20 Legend wrote:

Pretty good sources saying Martial wants to leave.

Are we watching the start of the Mourinho talent drain?

Depends if he actually leaves or not. The guy reporting it is close to Martial's agent and was the one who broke the news of his transfer to us. I think it is likely just a ploy to get a better contract/more minutes given he's currently in extension negotiations - this happens all the time.
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Well that was a disgrace. Even before the WBA game the pessimist in me could see us throwing away our two games in hand and finishing behind Liverpool. 

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Didn't bother waking up for it. Had a feeling because every pundit and his dog had been saying that Manchester United definitely 100% would beat the bottom placed teams. Which usually means you don't.

Herrera's was 100% a penalty but oh well. I'll deal with it if I don't have to deal with VAR.

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20 Legend wrote:

Didn't bother waking up for it. Had a feeling because every pundit and his dog had been saying that Manchester United definitely 100% would beat the bottom placed teams. Which usually means you don't.

Herrera's was 100% a penalty but oh well. I'll deal with it if I don't have to deal with VAR.

Didn't watch the game. Saw the result. Was not surprised. Just when we may have has second place wrapped up. Standard. 

I can see why Jose uses the approach he does, because you would hope the quality of players can produce better. 

Need more mentally strong players and ones that can recognise when something is not working and find ways to grind out a result. Squad rotation midweek should be good, hopefully someone plays well enough to push those in the "best 11" because they need a rocket to beat Spurs. 

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Buffon II wrote:

Leggy wrote:
City are right now miles ahead of any other side. 

Like  Nelfoos i also disagree with this. City have done this the past two seasons and then fallen well away to finish 4th and 3rd respectively, both times miles off the top and any sort of decent title challenge. Have to give it a few more months yet before anyone can tell if they're the real deal this time round.

At least I got that right. :)

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LOL

You remind me of Trump sometimes Leggy. 

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paulm wrote:

LOL

You remind me of Trump sometimes Leggy. 

No, if you go back on Trump tweets, it's usually Trump saying something completely the opposite of what he is doing/saying now.  Leggy (for all his faults ;-p ) is consistent!

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I'm talking about the mild gloating, that's all. Takes a special person to go back and find that, just to re-post. 

I'm surprised he didn't say something like "I make the best predictions, no one predicts better than me" hahahahaha

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geez, i dunno. A bit of mild gloating is one of the pleasures of amateur football punditry, no?

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paulm wrote:

I'm talking about the mild gloating, that's all. Takes a special person to go back and find that, just to re-post. 

I'm surprised he didn't say something like "I make the best predictions, no one predicts better than me" hahahahaha

Most of the people that mocked me were Arsenal supporters. Even you disagreed with me. :)

Just that I perhaps have a better memory than some and I certainly did not do it to infer that my predictions are better than anyone else.

If fact,  that was not a prediction it was an opinion that City were miles ahead of everyone else.I rarely do predictions, I leave that to all the Arsenal experts that do this week in and week out. 

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Leggy wrote:

paulm wrote:

I'm talking about the mild gloating, that's all. Takes a special person to go back and find that, just to re-post. 

I'm surprised he didn't say something like "I make the best predictions, no one predicts better than me" hahahahaha

Most of the people that mocked me were Arsenal supporters. Even you disagreed with me. :)

Just that I perhaps have a better memory than some and I certainly did not do it to infer that my predictions are better than anyone else.

If fact,  that was not a prediction it was an opinion that City were miles ahead of everyone else.I rarely do predictions, I leave that to all the Arsenal experts that do this week in and week out. 

I cant wait to find some of the references to United in sixth place comments for the end of Arsenals season. Yet they could finish seventh!

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Leggy wrote:

paulm wrote:

I'm talking about the mild gloating, that's all. Takes a special person to go back and find that, just to re-post. 

I'm surprised he didn't say something like "I make the best predictions, no one predicts better than me" hahahahaha

Most of the people that mocked me were Arsenal supporters. Even you disagreed with me. :)

Just that I perhaps have a better memory than some and I certainly did not do it to infer that my predictions are better than anyone else.

If fact,  that was not a prediction it was an opinion that City were miles ahead of everyone else.I rarely do predictions, I leave that to all the Arsenal experts that do this week in and week out. 

This prompted me to go and check (Page 356), and I see that I in fact agreed with you at the time, by liking post 7118 which was written by you, in response to those who disagreed with you, I guess your wonderful memory didn't recall that.

You may be misinterpreting my comment that Mourinho's 2nd year is traditionally his best one, but that was no argument to anything, just a factual comment (incidentally this season is the first time ever Mourinho has not won the league in his 2nd year). 

And yes it technically wasn't a prediction, so you saying that "at least you got it right" was pretty nonsensical anyway.

Anyhow, once again I'm gutted that I've bothered wasting time on your comments, so I will step out now, have a great day guys, and congrats on an improved season over last. 

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Tekkers wrote:

Both sides have done well to start the season but the fact that United are playing a better standard of football than they were last season, for me gives them the edge. 

City / Guardiola will play the same possession - position - pressing type game against every team, home and away. This was their shortfall last season and even though they have improved the quality of the players on the team, they are still going to press high, keep the ball and potentially be vulnerable to the odd counter / park the bus type of games. None of that has to do with the players involved, but the tactics being instructed. Their next two away games vs West Brom and Chelsea will be a prime example of this.

United have changed the way they play this season and it suits the players now there. Last season, Jose played the wingers very deep and it meant that a lot of the attack went through Zlatan up the middle. I am not sure what has changed but the defenders are not being so protected by a deep midfield and, meaning the wingers and creative players can do their thing up the other end. What I most like is the confidence of the players. 

There is a difference from last season, I am not sure how it came about, but everyone has it. I am not sure what has changed with City, other than the upgrading of the fullbacks and B.Silva in the attacking third. 

One other thing that i want to mention, is that I am not sure how Guardiola is going to keep everyone in the squad happy. All are big name players and they do not have the squad players like United, who have the temperament to play when needed and just to do a job. Herrera, Mata, Blind, Darmian are all happy to rotate in and out,but i am not sure about Mangala, Sane, Toure, Danilo etc. 

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paulm wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

Both sides have done well to start the season but the fact that United are playing a better standard of football than they were last season, for me gives them the edge. 

City / Guardiola will play the same possession - position - pressing type game against every team, home and away. This was their shortfall last season and even though they have improved the quality of the players on the team, they are still going to press high, keep the ball and potentially be vulnerable to the odd counter / park the bus type of games. None of that has to do with the players involved, but the tactics being instructed. Their next two away games vs West Brom and Chelsea will be a prime example of this.

United have changed the way they play this season and it suits the players now there. Last season, Jose played the wingers very deep and it meant that a lot of the attack went through Zlatan up the middle. I am not sure what has changed but the defenders are not being so protected by a deep midfield and, meaning the wingers and creative players can do their thing up the other end. What I most like is the confidence of the players. 

There is a difference from last season, I am not sure how it came about, but everyone has it. I am not sure what has changed with City, other than the upgrading of the fullbacks and B.Silva in the attacking third. 

One other thing that i want to mention, is that I am not sure how Guardiola is going to keep everyone in the squad happy. All are big name players and they do not have the squad players like United, who have the temperament to play when needed and just to do a job. Herrera, Mata, Blind, Darmian are all happy to rotate in and out,but i am not sure about Mangala, Sane, Toure, Danilo etc. 

Pretty good post to bump, thanks. 

Seems like I thought more of the rest of the league being able to put up a counter to City's style. Confidence of the players didn't really have an impact. And I suppose City were helped out by injuries to Mendy, Aguero, Jesus so never really had too many players sitting out games. Still not sure how they will cope with 4 CBs that would play in almost every team. 

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Tekkers wrote:

I cant wait to find some of the references to United in sixth place comments for the end of Arsenals season. Yet they could finish seventh!

Lukaku is better than Kane.

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After watching the game twice I think the players we should dump are the two full backs, Mata, he is a joke , Pobga, although he could be great, he is more interested in himself than the club. Blind,Darmian, Jones, Smalling and Fellaini should be sold and quality player brought in. 

If this happens then we could challenge for the league.

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Leggy wrote:

After watching the game twice I think the players we should dump are the two full backs, Mata, he is a joke , Pobga, although he could be great, he is more interested in himself than the club. Blind,Darmian, Jones, Smalling and Fellaini should be sold and quality player brought in. 

If this happens then we could challenge for the league.

Mata, Jones and Pogba aren't going anywhere and they shouldn't. All are quality players and should be contributing squad members. Pogba especially - he walks into almost any XI on the planet. It would be madness to sell him.

The rest you mentioned I agree with

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Well off the mark with Mata, Leggy. He's is one of our best players. Plays out of position and is the only person who even resembles the ability to link the attack.

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20 Legend wrote:

Well off the mark with Mata, Leggy. He's is one of our best players. Plays out of position and is the only person who even resembles the ability to link the attack.

Next time he plays, just watch him. Not saying he is not technically  good, can pass etc, but you don' t see the big picture. He is far too slow, can't take players on and not tough enough .

Also Jose sold him to Utd from Chelsea.

If you don't believe me have a look at what some of the Utd supporters are saying about him.

Lovely bloke but we will sell him cause he is not as good as most of the others.

I would not have him in the ' best ' starting 11.  This is what the fans had to say after the WB game.

http://www.thefaithfulmufc.com/united-fans-disappo...

and

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/948189/Ma...

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As of March, United win 82% of their games Mata when Mata is in the starting line up. When he is not, they win 45%.

There's obviously a lot of variables ad other factors in play between those stats, but it is enough to suggest your observation is inaccurate.

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20 Legend wrote:

As of March, United win 82% of their games Mata when Mata is in the starting line up. When he is not, they win 45%.

There's obviously a lot of variables ad other factors in play between those stats, but it is enough to suggest your observation is inaccurate.

Those sort of stats mean zero for me.I don't know the answer but perhaps we have not lost a game when Romero plays instead of De Gea.

I only go on what I see. Some time ago I was giving Lingard stick. He is not my favourite player but he has obviously worked hard and he can do a job. He is quick, hard working and gives 100%. Last year I would not have put him ahead of Mata, but I would now.

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Leggy wrote:

Next time he plays, just watch him. Not saying he is not technically  good, can pass etc, but you don' t see the big picture. He is far too slow, can't take players on and not tough enough .

He's not there to take players on, or provide pace or toughness. Next time he plays, just watch him and see how much he contributes to our ability to control a game. 
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Mata is certainly a player i wish we hadn't sold. He offers something very different to Hazard/Willian/Pedro.

I was always a big fan of him. Met him once too, nice guy, very approachable.

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Oska wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Next time he plays, just watch him. Not saying he is not technically  good, can pass etc, but you don' t see the big picture. He is far too slow, can't take players on and not tough enough .

He's not there to take players on, or provide pace or toughness. Next time he plays, just watch him and see how much he contributes to our ability to control a game. 

Mata is one of the few players we have that connects all of the pace, power and directness together. He controls the tempo and knows positions to get into that link everyone and draw defenders away so his team mates are in space. 

Keep him, even get him playing in a midfield three with Pogba / Matic / Herrera (if he can adapt). 

I agree that we should be thinking about how many wingers /attacking midfielders we have or at least start to get someone to play no the right wing as the balance is a bit off at the moment. IMO put Sanchez out there, and let Rashford and Martial battle it out for the LW spot. 

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This United side has no fluidity without Mata. And that's Mata playing out of position on the RW. On that note, saying Mata can't play behind a striker is laughable. Last time he did that he won Chelsea's player of the season.

Gary Neville sums it up even better:

"It looks like you’ve got Rashford, Martial, Lukaku but they haven’t got that glue that just knits it together. Mata looks like he might become a very important player.

"Carrick, Pogba has sort of got the ability to connect back to front but Mata certainly has got the composure to hold the ball and allow those players to make their runs so they can get up the pitch and get into a point where they can play one-on-one.

"They need to be one-on-one. You see with Rashford [against Liverpool], Sanchez, Lukaku. Get them one-on-one around the edge of the box, they are probably as good as you are going to get.

"However to get the ball into those situations, as many times as possible with quality, you need someone to put the ball there.

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20 Legend wrote:

This United side has no fluidity without Mata. And that's Mata playing out of position on the RW. On that note, saying Mata can't play behind a striker is laughable. Last time he did that he won Chelsea's player of the season.

Gary Neville sums it up even better:

"It looks like you’ve got Rashford, Martial, Lukaku but they haven’t got that glue that just knits it together. Mata looks like he might become a very important player.

"Carrick, Pogba has sort of got the ability to connect back to front but Mata certainly has got the composure to hold the ball and allow those players to make their runs so they can get up the pitch and get into a point where they can play one-on-one.

"They need to be one-on-one. You see with Rashford [against Liverpool], Sanchez, Lukaku. Get them one-on-one around the edge of the box, they are probably as good as you are going to get.

"However to get the ball into those situations, as many times as possible with quality, you need someone to put the ball there.

So which of these would you  drop for Mata.

Rashford, Martial, Pobga, Herrera, Matic, Lingard, Sanchez

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