Manchester United

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/9j44e0/the_pogba_mourinho_training_incident_was_about/

Here's the training video ... doesn't look good at all!

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/104490659...

There's a further one on Sky Sports twitter with Mourinho allegedly asking a United coach what Pogba put on Insta...

Seems Pogba really wants out, I doubt even Blanc coming in would change his mind. Better to let Paul go and give JM time to build a team and philosophy (which ensures more lol’s for the rest of us too!)

This. I wouldn't be opposed to a Giggs or Gary Neville. Obviously comes with a lot of risk but I think now more than ever we need to get our identity back and who better than someone who spent 20+ years at the club and won everything? 

So by going down that line you prove that a player is bigger than the club.

He is just an overrated spoilt brat. AF got it right all those years ago.

Completely agree. And it's not about being the most experienced tactician on earth. You can do that with a good coaching setup. We need someone who can imprint the club's mentality onto this group of players.

that’s what I’m saying, it’s not Pogba or Mo as  Pogba seems he wants out regardless. Do you blame him? He could be playing with Messi and Co rather than JM  being a COD or whomever comes in needing a season or 2 to get going. He is such a fantastic player with heaps of potential he can’t afford to be loyal to Man U in this scenario.

He wants out regardless.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1023435/M...

Allegedly. I agree with the sentiment that we would be mad to let him leave but the reality of contracts these days is if he's not going to sign a new deal you're almost forced to sell him with two years left on his contract, as his market value with a year left depreciates by about half and then obviously down to nil when his contract expires.

I agree that his problem is with Mourinho and not the club. It was only 24 months ago (wow, that time has flown) that he signed for us willingly so wouldn't have thought anything other than his relationship with the manager has changed so materially that he is now desperate to sign for Barcelona.

With those trash rags you can find anything to support your point. Here's one from a more reputable source

This one has got it right.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jose-mourinho-r...

I feel like there is only a handful of players who care about winning or that are actually putting effort in. Shaw, Fellaini, Mata, Rashford. Everybody else is just on cruise control.

Are we seeing Mou season three meltdown? Is he still trying to get his CB point across to the club by playing McTominay? In any case the brand of football we are playing is seriously dire. Everytime the ball was turned over on the weekend and we got it, the game seemed to stop. A few sideways passes, a bit of jogging and f all movement off of the ball, incredibly static performance.

Firstly, Jose's season three syndrome is not a thing
 - only had 2 seasons at Porto and Inter
- finished his third seasons at Chelsea and Real Madrid in 2nd place
- got sacked 16 games into third season at Chelsea. Definitely lost the dressing room. Hiddink didnt fear much better for the rest of that season to be fair. 

Secondly, yea the attitude of the players is all wrong. cant play like they want the manager gone, that not their decision. Mourinho is not without fault as he is responsible for motivating and directing the players. and the board hasnt backed the manager to control the football aspect of the club. the whole thing is a recipe for trouble and problems will still arise unless all of the above are sorted. 

Bring back David Gill. We didn't have any of this meddling on his watch!

Mourinho's tactics do not suit his players. Which is why all the players look completely uninterested.

That is a complete failing of Mourinho and no one else.

Yes, you could argue the board failed to bring in the players he wanted. Which I could accept if we were there or thereabouts. But they didn't, and we're not. Mourinho now needs to open his eyes and work to the team's strengths.

He needs to be sent packing.

Is it the manager? Or is it having the more expensive players at a club full of ego's and in it for themselves, rather than playing for the honour of wearing a Man United jersey? It used to mean something, it was a presence, Ask Scholes, Giggs, Charlton, Law, Buchan etc. The history of the club. I think the players like Pogba think they are bigger than Man United and play accordingly - for themselves and not that red Devils badge.

Christ almighty just watched the 2nd half and one of the worst CL games I've watched. Valencia handed the game over to Man U who did nothing. 

2 awful teams playing awful football. 

Of the whole team, the only player playing the exact position exactly how they want are probably De Gea and Lukaku. Yet Lukaku gets 90 minutes week in week out and does nothing for it.

It is so frustrating watching Rashford pretend to be a winger. Yes he is fast and can take a player on. But he's not a winger. Never has been. He's a poacher. And he would be doing a better job than Lukaku.

Fellaini has been pretty terrible and Matic has been pretty average. Why have we gone so cold on Fred and Pereira? Are they injured? Our opening game with Pogba, Fred and Pereira was the best our midfield has been since SAF. Why have we reverted to this rubbish? Why has Herrera been frozen out? Because he can actually pass a ball first time?

Seriously, this daft decision making has to stop. Mourinho needs to go.

Shaw was the best thing about the team, but not that great. Sanchez in the 2nd half was just making crosses or like Rashford taking corners - what's that all about?

Lukaku looks totally sweaty and unfit. 

Valencia did absolutely nothing - if they'd played anyone good they would have been murdered. 

You'd expect more from the biggest club in the world. 

Sanchez at least tried for about 10 mins in the 2nd half before being pulled, he actually managed to put some balls in as a winger.  

Saw a journalist tweet saying Shaw and Dalot have been the only positives so far this season! Dalot has only played twice and not at all in the league! Pretty dire when we are claiming that as a positive for the whole season!

Lots of people saying Mourinho should go (and I agree) but the whole club stinks at the minute. They've got to get Woodward away from making football decisions. Get a DoF in there and get a manager who will work with him!

These players haven't become bad footballers over night. It's blindingly obvious he's lost the dressing room and there's very rarely any coming back from that.

He's definitely gone; I guess they're just arranging the paperwork now and waiting on a replacement to confirm.

Not sure why you are bringing Real Madrid into discussions... /s

I'm not sure how much value a DOF would add but, first and foremost the club needs to understand its culture and appoint managers who represent that. To me that is FAST, fearless football and ensuring home grown talent is given an adequate opportunity. None of Moyes, LVG, or Mourinho represent all that.

And part of that is some of our fan's belief that we must have a big name "proven winner" come in as a manager. Hence how we got Mourinho. I don't buy into that for a second, and I really wish we could look inwards to the Manchester United community for our next manager.

Meanwhile, check out what Nicky is doing with the reserves

https://streamable.com/thbos

René Meulensteen explained the United way as "possession football with a purpose and when we attack, we attack with speed, power, penetration and unpredictability". 

Clearly United has none of those characteristics in their mindset at the moment - not in the players, the manager or those overseeing the whole thing.

When you've got a nonce like Woodward making football related decisions, allegedly all by himself, I think you've hit the point where you need a DoF. I agree about looking inwards for the next manager. Don't think there's much out there that could instantly turn us around.

Herrera is injured.

I mentioned somewhere in this thread at the start of the season that I would have loved Unai Emery at United and he's really starting to go great guns (excuse the pun) with Arsenal already. Nine wins in a row!

Anyone see Gary Neville's comments on United at the Brighton game? I honestly think any manager in the world would struggle with the way our club is set up at the minute! Big clearout needed!

Sounds as though Shaw is about to sign a new long-term contract. Excellent news as we get back into club football. Good to see Rashford playing well this morning too. Given Lukaku's recent form I'd be tempted to start Rashford up top this weekend.

In saying that he did bag another 2 for Belgium the other day.

Pleased that contract conversations are happening - lock up Shaw, Martial, De Gea and Herrera (by year extension or new contract) and make clear to the rest that they need to perform to get a new contract. Smalling, Mata and Pereira 'should' get there as squad players but Jones, Valencia, Young and Darmian would have to really step up to deserve it. Valencia might be kept for experience.

Tough run of games coming up, whole squad is going to be needed and everyone has to perform. Would be great if Lukaku can get on a run, Sanchez can produce some output for his energy and De Gea can shut the door at the other end. 

Only Everton at home and Bournemouth away are the normal fixtures amongst Chelsea away, Juventus home and away and City away. Excited

5 more years for Luke Shaw! I don't think many people, including myself, thought we'd be at this point after some of Jose's comments in the last year. One of the few pieces of good news recently!

195k a week for Shaw? woowee

Almost as much as Ozil's 300K a week.