Reports coming through of stabbings and the like.
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There's football as the number 1 item on the news tonight then. Thanks London.
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The "Mighty Wall" were leading right up to the 87th minute, only to lose 3-1 after extra time, prem money = premium fitness.
We are proud of you Millwall!
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You should be ashamed of yourself, Hard News.
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Pfft... everyone knows hoops aren't slimming.
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Looks like your average footie fan!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I was going to say you and him shared some superficial similarities LG
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Fucking dickheads.Arsenal2009-08-26 13:04:55
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I was going to say you and him shared some superficial similarities LG
+1
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
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Fucking dickheads.
relax.
Don't need that sorta language, even if you are a gonner !!!!
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I was going to say you and him shared some superficial similarities LG
Who Ate All The Pies ?
And They Say "It's Always Super Millwall"
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
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WHiy not rig the draw so they can't meet...
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that is like saying lets play celtic and rangers behind closed doors if they can do it with not as much violence then why cant the hammers and millwall
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I was going to say you and him shared some superficial similarities LG
I can name 2 others on here, that are more portly than me. besides, I'm nearly 50. Age is my excuse!
Lonegunmen2009-08-26 21:46:06Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
We have played each other a few times over the last few years, and this is the first but of "real" trouble there has been (I do not count some West Ham fans fighting an anti racism banner at the den a few years ago as trouble).
I was at Chelsea with West Ham a few years ago and there was trouble inside and outside the ground - it still happens very occassionally. The key is not to over-react and start claiming certain teams should never play each other again.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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by the way, I am surprised that no one has mentioned that the whole thing sounded "pwopa nawty"
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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This is the first Millwall v the raving irons, game I have missed in the last 20 years and from all accounts the troubles were no different to usual, the raving irons alway try to invade the pitch, usually without much success, the roads are always closed arround either ground because of muppets throwing bottles etc.
The revalry goes back to 1895 when wet spam came into existance, some 10 years after Millwall were formed and just a mile or so down the road in east London.
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
We have played each other a few times over the last few years, and this is the first but of "real" trouble there has been (I do not count some West Ham fans fighting an anti racism banner at the den a few years ago as trouble).
I was at Chelsea with West Ham a few years ago and there was trouble inside and outside the ground - it still happens very occassionally. The key is not to over-react and start claiming certain teams should never play each other again.
just because the media didn't report any incidents doesn't mean that their wasn't trouble between the fans, what about when they meet up miles away from the ground and kick sh*t out of each other, this is still hooligan activity that can be attibuted to the game its just that it didn't happen inside the ground or near it so goes unreported
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
Even if you did this with Millwall/WestHam games the nutters would still turn up in their thousands and fight outside the ground or any place they could find each other
The Police in Scotland have managed to keep Rangers/Celtic apart for years even during the troubles in Northern Ireland when tensions where very high, but that was only at the game and around the ground once you leave the vacinity of the ground it's every man for himself
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This is the first Millwall v the raving irons, game I have missed in the last 20 years and from all accounts the troubles were no different to usual, the raving irons alway try to invade the pitch, usually without much success, the roads are always closed arround either ground because of muppets throwing bottles etc.
I think Millwall have been hard done by regarding the pitch invasions. When the 2nd one happened the ref should have pulled off the players and abandoned the game, awarding it to Millwall. If the West Ham stewards can't keep their own supporters off the pitch then thats their problem and they should forefit the game.The revalry goes back to 1895 when wet spam came into existance, some 10 years after Millwall were formed and just a mile or so down the road in east London.
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There are three groups of people to blame here.
- The Police for not letting Millwall buy tickets, therefore enabling them to be caged in the normal manner rather than hanging around outside or sitting amongst our fans.
- Tottenham Hotspur. If they had allowed us to score more goals on Sunday we wouldn�t have got excited when scoring against low life pleb teams like Millwall.
- The FA for allowing this fixture to be drawn. How many times have they fixed fixtures in the past.
Despite what the media will say, we are blameless and the victims of all of this.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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There are three groups of people to blame here.
- The Police for not letting Millwall buy tickets, therefore enabling them to be caged in the normal manner rather than hanging around outside or sitting amongst our fans.
- Tottenham Hotspur. If they had allowed us to score more goals on Sunday we wouldn�t have got excited when scoring against low life pleb teams like Millwall.
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The FA for allowing this fixture to be drawn. How many times have they fixed fixtures in the past.
Oy U"iron" 
Get your facts right the rioting ticketless muppets were "raving irons" the morons who invaded the pitch were "raving irons" the brave arseholes who beat and stabbed a lone fan taking his young kids to a football match, were yes, you guessed it more "raving irons"
2300 Millwall v 20000 "raving irons"
Are you proud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despite what the media will say, we are blameless and the victims of all of this.
Skaman2009-08-28 15:47:35
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
Even if you did this with Millwall/WestHam games the nutters would still turn up in their thousands and fight outside the ground or any place they could find each other
The Police in Scotland have managed to keep Rangers/Celtic apart for years even during the troubles in Northern Ireland when tensions where very high, but that was only at the game and around the ground once you leave the vacinity of the ground it's every man for himself
Didn't you see the Scottish Cup Final of 1980? 
Also, hooliganism was rampant in the 1980s in Scotland too - Hibs, Aberdeen, and Rangers being the main 3 groups that I am aware of.
There was bother at pre season friendlies a few years back when Cardiff and Leeds came up to Hibs, and even at Bolton just 2 weeks ago there was some trouble involving Hibs and Bolton fans.
There are usually stabbings after Old Firm games, and usually some pubs are trashed after Hearts v Hibs, and Hearts v Celtic games.
The Scottish media largely leave it unreported delibaretly because giving them coverage just encourages it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Getting my facts right.
At the time when I wrote my bit on this thread, there had been no identification of who was stabbed and what colours he was wearing. Therefore I did not refer to the stabbing. FACT.
If the ticketless muppets outside the ground were "raving Irons" who were they fighting with? Millwall supporters who either could not get tickets in their own area, due to the Police restriction FACT, or that just turned up to get what they got. FACT
And whilst the fans invading the pitch were probably all Hammers supporters, perhaps they were just getting away from the fighting that was going on in the stands with Millwall fans sitting in Hammers areas. There were fights in the crowd and Hammers do not attack hammers. FACT
It was also not the hammers fans who spent 90 minutes chanting racist remarks to our striker and their England international. It was Millwall supporters. FACT
Nor was it Hammers fans who constantly taunted a 19 year old West Ham player about the death of his father two days earlier. They were Millwall fans too. FACT.
Other than a different club copping all the flack, would it have been any different had it been a home game for you lot. No! FACT
Am I proud/ Yes. FACT
There are three groups of people to blame here.
- The Police for not letting Millwall buy tickets, therefore enabling them to be caged in the normal manner rather than hanging around outside or sitting amongst our fans.
- Tottenham Hotspur. If they had allowed us to score more goals on Sunday we wouldn�t have got excited when scoring against low life pleb teams like Millwall.
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The FA for allowing this fixture to be drawn. How many times have they fixed fixtures in the past.
Oy U"iron"
Get your facts right the rioting ticketless muppets were "raving irons" the morons who invaded the pitch were "raving irons" the brave arseholes who beat and stabbed a lone fan taking his young kids to a football match, were yes, you guessed it more "raving irons"
2300 Millwall v 20000 "raving irons"
Are you proud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despite what the media will say, we are blameless and the victims of all of this.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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Why is anyone suprised by these events?
Why not play it behind closed doors if it's already widely known fans from both groups hate each other and there is bound to be trouble why not just play it without a crowd sounds harsh to the people who are there to watch the football but it's not exactly the first time something like this has happened Every time the two clubs meet their is a major disturbance
I'm amazed people arn't killed when they play each other such is the hatred of the two sets of fans.
The only other fixture that comes close in the pure hatred catergory would be Rangers/Celtic
Even if you did this with Millwall/WestHam games the nutters would still turn up in their thousands and fight outside the ground or any place they could find each other
The Police in Scotland have managed to keep Rangers/Celtic apart for years even during the troubles in Northern Ireland when tensions where very high, but that was only at the game and around the ground once you leave the vacinity of the ground it's every man for himself
Didn't you see the Scottish Cup Final of 1980?
Also, hooliganism was rampant in the 1980s in Scotland too - Hibs, Aberdeen, and Rangers being the main 3 groups that I am aware of.
There was bother at pre season friendlies a few years back when Cardiff and Leeds came up to Hibs, and even at Bolton just 2 weeks ago there was some trouble involving Hibs and Bolton fans.
There are usually stabbings after Old Firm games, and usually some pubs are trashed after Hearts v Hibs, and Hearts v Celtic games.
The Scottish media largely leave it unreported delibaretly because giving them coverage just encourages it.
1980!!! thats nearly 30 years ago, i think Police stategy re-hooliganism has improved slightly since then
the point I'm trying to make is that trouble inside the ground it'self rarely happens in Scotland(pitch invasions etc) compaired to England and i believe its due to the no nonsense attitude of the Scottish Police.
Leeds and Cardiff!!!! no wonder the're fans are amongst the worst in Europe, especially away in a pre season friendly.
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Getting my facts right.
At the time when I wrote my bit on this thread, there had been no identification of who was stabbed and what colours he was wearing. Therefore I did not refer to the stabbing. FACT.
If the ticketless muppets outside the ground were "raving Irons" who were they fighting with? Millwall supporters who either could not get tickets in their own area, due to the Police restriction FACT, or that just turned up to get what they got. FACT
And whilst the fans invading the pitch were probably all Hammers supporters, perhaps they were just getting away from the fighting that was going on in the stands with Millwall fans sitting in Hammers areas. There were fights in the crowd and Hammers do not attack hammers. FACT
It was also not the hammers fans who spent 90 minutes chanting racist remarks to our striker and their England international. It was Millwall supporters. FACT
Nor was it Hammers fans who constantly taunted a 19 year old West Ham player about the death of his father two days earlier. They were Millwall fans too. FACT.
Other than a different club copping all the flack, would it have been any different had it been a home game for you lot. No! FACT
Am I proud/ Yes. FACT
There are three groups of people to blame here.
- The Police for not letting Millwall buy tickets, therefore enabling them to be caged in the normal manner rather than hanging around outside or sitting amongst our fans.
- Tottenham Hotspur. If they had allowed us to score more goals on Sunday we wouldn�t have got excited when scoring against low life pleb teams like Millwall.
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The FA for allowing this fixture to be drawn. How many times have they fixed fixtures in the past.
Oy U"iron"
Get your facts right the rioting ticketless muppets were "raving irons" the morons who invaded the pitch were "raving irons" the brave arseholes who beat and stabbed a lone fan taking his young kids to a football match, were yes, you guessed it more "raving irons"
2300 Millwall v 20000 "raving irons"
Are you proud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despite what the media will say, we are blameless and the victims of all of this.
also your asumption that small groups of Millwall fans in the West Ham end started a fight that caused the home fans to invade the pitch to escape the fighting.....3 times just after West Ham had coincidentally scored is diabolical, you have to come up with a better excuse than that mate.
as to the racist chanting and targeting of the player whose father had just died, while this is ugly stuff its not on a par with attacking opposition supporters and pitch invasions and to be honest it's exactly what you'd expect from Millwall anyway
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Interesting article...
Just as well we dont have to pay a lot of money to get players to come and play for us.
By the time we pay The FA, Sheffield Utd, Alan Curbishley, The EPL and all the other bludgers, we dont have anything left for the players.
God help the other clubs if ever we decided to behave ourselves and do things by the rules for a couple of years.
We would be a World Power !!!
Might even by Millwall FC then close them down.
uiron2009-09-29 21:04:41
By the time we pay The FA, Sheffield Utd, Alan Curbishley, The EPL and all the other bludgers, we dont have anything left for the players.
God help the other clubs if ever we decided to behave ourselves and do things by the rules for a couple of years.
We would be a World Power !!!
Might even by Millwall FC then close them down.
uiron2009-09-29 21:04:41
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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Cheers Mr Hoop, sums it up, don't it. Millwall labelled as bad as "the raving irons" although all the press and police reported, we were the innocent party, yet again.
I have been at all the last encounters both on the terraces and in directors lounges and can confirm that "wet spam" holligans come out in force for these fixtures and although they are a bigger club than the mighty Millwall, they never manage to control their animals, either inside the grounds or on the streets
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If Millwall were the innocent party and the Police reported that, how come the Police are now laying charges against the club.
You know as well as I do that there are mongrels in both clubs who inflame these situations at the cost other fans and the club's reputations
Lets leave it at that Skaman.
You know as well as I do that there are mongrels in both clubs who inflame these situations at the cost other fans and the club's reputations
Lets leave it at that Skaman.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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