This whole racism thing

This whole racism thing

A couple of genuine questions i was wondering

What is different between the cases of Suarez and Terry?

Why was the Suarez case handled by the FA and the Terry case being brought before the courts?

Think because there was a compliant to the police regarding Terry.  Don't think there was for Suarez.  "

Q. After a week dominated by two alleged racism cases, Luis Suarez has been given an eight-game ban while John Terry has a date in court. Why the different outcomes?

So all it takes is a complaint from a member of the public to land someone in court?

It would also be illegal for the FA to investigate Terry (at least publicly) while the matter is still pending before the courts, because that would be a contempt of court.

A complaint from the member of the public will obviously be enough to launch a police investigation. The fact that the police haven't dropped the matter means that they probably think that there's a genuine case to be made against him.

So there isn't/wasn't evidence against Suarez?

Amusing.

Is there a video of it? have you a heard a clip? He did do it at least ten times. Or was it 5? Or 7? And it was caught on so many cameras. the FA were playing point scoring games against FIFA and I believe they weren't interested in a fair trial or finding out the truth, they were always going to punish Suarez, just so they could say "Look at us! We don't tolerate racism!" to FIFA.

So let me get this right - he admitted using a derogatory racial term, but he did not actually racially abuse Evra?

Interesting.

P.S. Suarez has been known over the years as a complete d1ck, if he'd shot someone in the face on purpose he still wouldn't think he did something wrong.

Didn't know you had to have video or audio clip to convict someone.

No.  It can be a derogatory term when used in other contexts.  ie. when you're angry at someone.

No, it was about Suarez who knew he'd f**ked up, and desperately try to cover his arse. It is well documented that the word he used has negative racial connotations across cultures, and it certainly has negative racial connotations in South America.

This is actually untrue - the word in question certainly has negative racial connotations, and especially so in South America where there is a large black population.

Like I said in the other post, all the linguistic spiel he pulled out was to cover his arse after he realised he'd put himself in an untenable position.

Language is so complex.  For example in Japanese "Pajero" means big expensive 4WD driven by yuppies, while in Latin American Spanish it means "W*nker". Junior822012-02-13 16:36:57

I realise I'm making an idiot of myself, but I really, truly, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, believe Suarez is not guilty. Simple as that. I don't believe he meant it in a racist, malicious way. That's what I believe. I do believe the FA set out to 'make an example' of Suarez.  El-Ni�o2012-02-13 16:48:00

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

see above

This is why Kiwis simply shouldn't attach themselves to overseas clubs they have no real connection with.

Cruel and unusual.

It's a different standard of proof though. If the FA can be satisfied that he did it, but can't 100% prove it, that doesn't matter, they can ban him anyway. Somewhat ironically, if a member of the public had made a complaint to police against Suarez, then he may not have been convicted because of lack of evidence. So a police investigation could possibly have put him in a better position. Theoretically. Hypothetically. Etc.

But this has been done to death now, the longer it goes on the more embarrassing it becomes for everyone involved. Suarez, Dalglish, Evra, and one-eyed fans like EN all need to move on.

Do you think there are any truly racist players playing at the top level? I may be naive but i find it hard to imagine there are many proper racists with a deep seeded hatred of a whole other race of people playing at the top level. It seems like it would be extremely diffecult to hide that sort of thing day in day out with the make up of so many top teams these days.

I would hardly call 4% 'a massive black popilation.'

Could you please define what a proper racist is? That way I can tell them apart from the fake racists (or the improper ones).

Without meaning to cause offence, I think this is a little naive. I would agree that there would be few "proper racists", as you call them. But racism extends far beyond overt displays of deep seeded hatred.

IMO, there are a lot of people who genuinely claim to not be racist, but still hold some degree of prejudice. Often it will come through in racist jokes or remarks, which although contextual are actually believed to some degree. Those same people will sometimes use a defence such as "but I have black friends" which to be honest is no defence at all. I'm not saying that anyone who makes jokes or says they have black friends is a racist, but sometimes that is the case.

Often it is also the fact that such attitudes are ingrained, so although someone may be far less racist than the preceding generation, racist attitudes linger to some extent.

All of these things mean that people can most definitely "hide that sort of thing" because the fact is that there are others that hold the same view.

Unfortunately with ingrained attitudes like this it is hard to change anything in a hurry.

Can we dig up the KFC ad thread again?