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I just don't get it - and maybe someone can explain it to me. I just don't get why supposed fans of football waste energy (and make themselves look like dicks) "hating" other teams, like Man U or Chelsea - current examples.

I'm a Man U fan, and don't get me wrong, this weekend I hope that we'll win, and I'll watch it live (is there any other way) and at the same time (literally with a same time kick off) hope that Chelsea lose or draw. But there is no way that I'd not want to hold a conversation with a Chelsea supporter about football. Yeah sure, let's wheel out the banter, but if we spend 5 mins talking about Drogba's season, I'm up for that. Even if they win the title, I'm up for talking about the turning point in the season was.
 
I've meet my fair share of supporters of other clubs that could only manage talking trash because I support United (and have done for over 25 years) as perhaps they feel some obligation to - sh*t knows the reasoning behind that. Being this far away from England, we need to talk about English football every chance we get.
 
So explain to me - because I'm really asking - why the idiot demeanour?
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Mid table wrote:

I just don't get it - and maybe someone can explain it to me. I just don't get why supposed fans of football waste energy (and make themselves look like dicks) "hating" other teams, like Man U or Chelsea - current examples.

I'm a Man U fan, and don't get me wrong, this weekend I hope that we'll win, and I'll watch it live (is there any other way) and at the same time (literally with a same time kick off) hope that Chelsea lose or draw. But there is no way that I'd not want to hold a conversation with a Chelsea supporter about football. Yeah sure, let's wheel out the banter, but if we spend 5 mins talking about Drogba's season, I'm up for that. Even if they win the title, I'm up for talking about the turning point in the season was.
 
I've meet my fair share of supporters of other clubs that could only manage talking trash because I support United (and have done for over 25 years) and feel some obligation too - sh*t knows the reasoning behind that. Being this far away from England, we need to talk about English football every chance we get.
 
So explain to me - because I'm really asking - why the idiot demeanour?
 
I'll watch any team - even Stoke.
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I'd watch Stokes Vegas.
 
No, wait, I wouldn't.
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Fine line between banter and stupidity.
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Alot of football hate has to do with politics. A number of the older football clubs were actually formed by rival political, religious or social groups. So alot of the hate has deep historical roots, and is not really about football at all. Football just happens to be one of the areas where that hate spills over into.
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Yeah, and you try telling anyone that Sport and Politics are separate issues.
 
Exactly the reason why I'm so glad NZ boycott Zimbabwe in 2003 CWC, and why I'm so disappointed they didn't keep boycotting them.
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I don't really get why club fans hate other clubs either, it all seems silly to me.
I reckon it should be about the football not who is playing.
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Well if you lived in England and knew some of the history you would understand.
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yea nembo makes a good point..people from these places are brought up with these rivalries and traditional "enemies".the stuff i cant get my head around is the fake hate!
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seagull, do you know why Brighton and Palace dislike each other? 
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Nembo wrote:
Well if you lived in England and knew some of the history you would understand.
I know a lot of the history - and I still don't understand.  
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seagull wrote:
yea nembo makes a good point..people from these places are brought up with these rivalries and traditional "enemies".the stuff i cant get my head around is the fake hate!
Nothing wrong with rivalry - it is why I always like to see Dunedin Tech beat Cavvy Zephyr2007-04-28 19:38:29
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The day I stop hating MK Dons is the day I stop breathing. Club stealing scum.
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Yeah MK Dons are a crap club. Cheating bastards aswell, got 2 of our players sent off undeservedly! :@
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Mid table wrote:

I just don't get it - and maybe someone can explain it to me. I just don't get why supposed fans of football waste energy (and make themselves look like dicks) "hating" other teams, like Man U or Chelsea - current examples.

I'm a Man U fan, and don't get me wrong, this weekend I hope that we'll win, and I'll watch it live (is there any other way) and at the same time (literally with a same time kick off) hope that Chelsea lose or draw. But there is no way that I'd not want to hold a conversation with a Chelsea supporter about football. Yeah sure, let's wheel out the banter, but if we spend 5 mins talking about Drogba's season, I'm up for that. Even if they win the title, I'm up for talking about the turning point in the season was.
 
I've meet my fair share of supporters of other clubs that could only manage talking trash because I support United (and have done for over 25 years) as perhaps they feel some obligation to - sh*t knows the reasoning behind that. Being this far away from England, we need to talk about English football every chance we get.
 
So explain to me - because I'm really asking - why the idiot demeanour?



because the bloody beat us !!!!
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Zephyr wrote:
seagull wrote:
yea nembo makes a good point..people from these places are brought up with these rivalries and traditional "enemies".the stuff i cant get my head around is the fake hate!
Nothing wrong with rivalry - it is why I always like to see Dunedin Tech beat Cavvy
im not saying theres anything wrong with rivalries, football wouldnt be the same without it, but things like man.u fans not talking to chelsea fans when thier both born and raised in nz is just stupid
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Man U and Chelsea fans that are born and raised in NZ arent proper fans, their all glory supporters
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Nembo wrote:
Man U and Chelsea fans that are born and raised in NZ arent proper fans, their all glory supporters
 
There weren't many Chelsea fans evident three years ago - where did they all spring from??
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If you need to have it explained then you'll never understand and if you understand then you'll never need to have it explained.
 
They hate us, we hate them, That's how it is. Nowt personal
 
 
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Zephyr wrote:
Nembo wrote:
Man U and Chelsea fans that are born and raised in NZ arent proper fans, their all glory supporters
 
There weren't many Chelsea fans evident three years ago - where did they all spring from??
I know, and it suprises me that all of them have supported Chelsea since they were born. Ever single one you talk to,yet 3 years ago, they couldnt even spell Chelsea
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Hate is a bit strong, we all love football - however most "English" football supporters dislike teams like man United & chelsea who are destroying the sporting game called football.
 
Just look at England World Cup ranking.
 
The Premier League was the worst thing ever built by a bunch of fat money waving business men.
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Nembo wrote:
I know, and it suprises me that all of them have supported Chelsea since they were born. Ever single one you talk to,yet 3 years ago, they couldnt even spell Chelsea



  or name 5 people who play for them
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Well i hate Man Ure Chelski and Spuds but most of all Waitak and that will never change.
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Nembo wrote:
Man U and Chelsea fans that are born and raised in NZ arent proper fans, their all glory supporters
Thats rubbish some of us have supported the team even in the bad times.I dont get this idea just because some of us are born in NZ we cant be  proper fans.Some of us  are just as passionate  about our teams  as those  who  have been  born over there.
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Guess then you cant be a proper Phoenix fan then unless you were born in Wellington.



Mmmm guess not because there probably wouldnt be to many of us.
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I can't stand Man U, but thats mainly because of their players (although I don't like the club either). The way Wayne Rooney plays really annoys me; he's always swearing at people and losing the plot. Ronaldo also annoys me with all his stepovers, but if Man u got rid of some of those players and got players i like then I wouldnt mind them ...as much
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and also, im a gunner fan (hence my username) and i take offence when people call people who support chelsea arsenal and man u glory hunters or whatever. Just cos we arent born, and have never been, to england doesn't mean we aren't as passionate a fan, if not more passionate a fan, than people born and bred in england
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Rooney and Ronaldo annoy the hell out of me with their antics too.

Despite this, Man U fully deserve the title this year.

 
 
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I decided to support sunderland because they won the FA Cup in 73, the year I was born.

I have stuck by them through the good times and the bad (more of the later I'm afraid).

I spent a summer in the North East one year and happened to be working with a Geordie fella. We worked together for about 6 weeks and got on pretty well, sharing a few beers after work and the usual student antics. I never mentioned the fact I supported Sunderland and as I have a southern accent he never seamed to ask. When the Charity Shield came around the conversation quickly turned to football and the enevitable question was asked: Arsenal? Chelsea? West Ham? I gave him my awnser and to my absolute horror he walked out of the pub, leaving half a beer and never talking to me, or even noticing me at work again!

Now I mean, come on! Whats the point?
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bison73 wrote:
I decided to support sunderland because they won the FA Cup in 73, the year I was born.

I have stuck by them through the good times and the bad (more of the later I'm afraid).

I spent a summer in the North East one year and happened to be working with a Geordie fella. We worked together for about 6 weeks and got on pretty well, sharing a few beers after work and the usual student antics. I never mentioned the fact I supported Sunderland and as I have a southern accent he never seamed to ask. When the Charity Shield came around the conversation quickly turned to football and the enevitable question was asked: Arsenal? Chelsea? West Ham? I gave him my awnser and to my absolute horror he walked out of the pub, leaving half a beer and never talking to me, or even noticing me at work again!

Now I mean, come on! Whats the point?



 and he left without finishing his beer?   must've had some serious issues  

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Yeah good on ya Ballane i'm an Arsenal fan and have been since i was a little kid i've never changed and never want to change despite the sh*t i get and the bad times i go through i still love them and love supporting them!!

If i could i would go and watch them and go to away matches but i have to wait till i go to Europe next year for that.
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Sorry guys this is how it works. Look where you were born, look who your dad supported, look who your uncle supported and that's the team you support. Those hatreds go back decades and have more to do with culture than sport.
Having said that one of the reasons ManU/Chelsea etc are hated by football fans is that their fans (and I know I'm going to get loads of 'supportd them for three generations' replies here) are made up of mostly people who have picked them out of the air after a winning season. That's not how it works. 'Oh look Ronaldo looked cool this year, I think I'll support them.
It's just such a shame that NZ is generations away from some of that hatred of their own - then people might understand. What we really needed was a Wellington Phoenix and an Auckland Knights - that would have got some fireworks started.  
 
 
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I supported Ipswich as a boy (thems the days of Wark Osman and Brazil!) mainly due to their success and their great footy seen on Big League Soccer with that other legend Brian Moore.

However, I changed to Spurs when Clive Allen scored his 49 league goals and with the succession of centre forwards including Lineker, Walsh, Sheringham and now Berbatov I stuck with them.

Even made the pilgrimage to WHL to see them play Sheffield Wednesday from the home end.

I dont hate other teams, my Gooner friend and I have the banter, however I will watch any football, from down the local park, to NZFC to Italian, Spanish, Dutch whatever, if it's football i'll watch it.

Just wish I'd stayed in Wellington instead of chasing the Knights... :-((
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mancs are the worse glory hunters of all. Cant stand them they are just arrogant twats.
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Sorry guys this is how it works. Look where you were born, look who your dad supported, look who your uncle supported and that's the team you support. Those hatreds go back decades and have more to do with culture than sport.
Having said that one of the reasons ManU/Chelsea etc are hated by football fans is that their fans (and I know I'm going to get loads of 'supportd them for three generations' replies here) are made up of mostly people who have picked them out of the air after a winning season. That's not how it works. 'Oh look Ronaldo looked cool this year, I think I'll support them.
It's just such a shame that NZ is generations away from some of that hatred of their own - then people might understand. What we really needed was a Wellington Phoenix and an Auckland Knights - that would have got some fireworks started.  
 
 
You are right EG.My dad followed Huddersfield,my mum and uncle were Leeds fans.My 2 little brothers chose to side with them.Had heaps of rows over the years.Still at it now and better still next season we are in the same division.Let the games begin!
 
Good luck at Wembley.Bring a piece of turf back sounds like we might need it to relay the pitch before the Phoenix play!
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"hang on a min dis you say stjoke?" steve u ok?
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Good point nembo you must be there to understand these reasons!! its a must

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