Group C - Argentina | Saudi Arabia | Mexico | Poland

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over 3 years ago
Group C chat in here
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This is the first time Argentina arrive at a word cup in peace. Excited, yes, but also calm. The greatest strength is the team’s collectiveness, the fact that everyone works hard for each other and that has been highlighted again and again over the past four years. Everyone in the team – in the squad in fact – knows their role: this is a well-oiled machine.

The current cycle began towards the end of 2018 after Jorge Sampaoli’s disastrous spell in charge, which included a last-16 exit from the Russia World Cup and off- and on-field problems. Lionel Scaloni, who had been an assistant to Sampaoli, took over on an interim basis – together with Pablo Aimar – and the former Deportivo La Coruña and Lazio player never looked back.

His contract was extended to include the 2019 Copa América, in which Argentina finished third, and finally to include the same tournament two years later as well as the World Cup. Argentina have not always performed well under Scaloni and there were times when the team looked unsure of how to play, confused even, but slowly things came together.

Scaloni discarded some players who were coming towards the end of their careers and stood by his decisions to form a cohesive unit that goes into the World Cup undefeated in 35 games, only two short of the record set by Roberto Mancini’s Italy between 2018 and 2021. Scaloni was criticised in the beginning (Argentina is the country with the most licensed coaches and last World Cup, 8 countries had Argentinian coaches so obviously it’s a country that understands football) but that noise has gone away now.

Part of that run including wining the Copa America, the country’s first major title for 28 years. Beating Brazil in the final at the Maracanã made the triumph even sweeter. In June Argentina beat Italy  3-0 at Wembley with an utterly dominant performance.

The team has a mix of experience and youth and, of course, Lionel Messi. Argentina go to Qatar with the aim of winning the World Cup, it is a dream for the whole country and, above all, “La Pulga”. There are many in Argentina who feel football owes Messi a World Cup.

As an Argentinian, this is the first time I feel like we have a “team” rather than Messi and 10 others. I think we will go far
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coochiee
over 3 years ago
Argentina have flopped to the ground about 5 times in the first 8 minutes - every time holding their shins even though there was absolutely no contact near where they were holding. Just dog shark football...

And now they've got a soft penalty to make the evening even easier.
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KiwiMancunianLG
over 3 years ago
Games been very interesting second half so far.

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20 Legend
over 3 years ago
So when we say Lewis’ free kicks are like Messi’s…


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over 3 years ago
Saudi player knocked out cold and referee let it play on??? Weird considering what they do stop it for.
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dairyflatKiwiMancunian
over 3 years ago
Yeah, got well and truly taken out. 
15 seconds before ref stopped it. 
Wonder if he would have stopped earlier if didn’t look like he was about to score.



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over 3 years ago
Have to say that was a cracker of a goal that last one.
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coochieedairyflatKiwiMancunian
over 3 years ago
Deserved to lose that.. they were more prepared tactically and physically superior and rode their luck in the first half.. that’s football sometimes, got to learn and move on fast.. km confident we will still have a good tournament 
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over 3 years ago
Hilarious, Messi the GOAT fails to beat Saudi Arabia

Queenslander 3x a year.

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That second goal.

https://youtu.be/VhXBRSeElDk

Let's not forget that opening group match, in 1990, Cameroon 1 Argentina 0 and then Argentina made the final. Funny game is football. 🫡
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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Leggy
over 3 years ago
dairyflat
That second goal.

https://youtu.be/VhXBRSeElDk

Let's not forget that opening group match, in 1990, Cameroon 1 Argentina 0 and then Argentina made the final. Funny game is football. 🫡
I do remember that game. Also a very big upset at the time. 
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Bullion
I'm interested in the tech used for offside in this WC and this seems like compelling evidence that it was incorrect:
https://twitter.com/Football__Tweet/status/1595122809386082304

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The amount of possible areas to introduce inaccuracies in that picture is significant. They're using pitch lines to find the vanishing point, which they then guestimate an offside line (the green lines have no fixed reference at the bottom, it's just guess work), to overlay on a pixelated image of the guy's boot, to try and make a few pixels difference to rule offside.

There's no reason to suggest this is more accurate than Fifa's technology accurate.
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dairyflat
That second goal.

https://youtu.be/VhXBRSeElDk

Let's not forget that opening group match, in 1990, Cameroon 1 Argentina 0 and then Argentina made the final. Funny game is football. 🫡

Spain lost their opening game in 2010 to Switzerland.

But I thought Argentina looked a bit bereft of ideas once they went behind. I know they came in off a 36 match unbeaten run, but they seem an old team now. 4 starters including Messi over age 34.

Even the GOAT can't beat Father Time. Have a feeling teams with the younger squads are going to do best in Qatar.

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Bullion
I'm interested in the tech used for offside in this WC and this seems like compelling evidence that it was incorrect:
https://twitter.com/Football__Tweet/status/1595122809386082304

FiMDoMQXkAALVN7[1].jpg 169.9 KB

The amount of possible areas to introduce inaccuracies in that picture is significant. They're using pitch lines to find the vanishing point, which they then guestimate an offside line (the green lines have no fixed reference at the bottom, it's just guess work), to overlay on a pixelated image of the guy's boot, to try and make a few pixels difference to rule offside.

There's no reason to suggest this is more accurate than Fifa's technology accurate.
That is often the issue with VAR and other offside tech, it often doesn't show the pitch or uses poor video angles to refute any claims of incorrect decisions. In this instance they only showed the Argentinian attacker relative to one of the nearest defenders and not across the defensive line - so it looks like the Saudi LB is not being accounted for; and its not like these systems are infallible https://www.marca.com/en/football/serie-a/2022/09/12/631f143646163ff23e8b4584.html

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JA
over 3 years ago
The Argies got suckered by the Saudi high line and offside trap but they should have adjusted their play. Hard to read too much into this result. How good/bad are Argentina? Sure they were on a 35 unbeaten run but this only included two games against European sides, one of which was Italy. I still think they have enough quality to get out of the group but they will need to up their game.
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coochiee
over 3 years ago
Seemed like the Saudis played really well and ecked out a famous win. And that the Saudi fan zone was a major sausage party…


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The Saudi king has given the country a days holiday to celebrate the win. Apparently the whole country has gone nuts. Horrible regime running that country with terrible human rights record. Didn’t see any female Saudi supporters in the stadium either.
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LGNi
over 3 years ago
yrdthey yrs de were beaten by tech nerds we will get back more with the 0-0

Germany is more complicated with Spain 7-0
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over 3 years ago
Yeah that's my thing, 4 over 34 at the same time from minute 0 and Tagliafico and Romero at 75 %.  Too much.  I wish Cacace was argie he is a superplayer
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over 3 years ago
When you need him most.. when things get tough, Leo does it time and time again. Incredibly proud of this team today, reacted brilliantly to a tough loss and something that few Argentinian sides have had before, show strong mental fortitude. Enzo is going to be a superstar also.. now rest for Poland 
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GOAT did his thing, and when the pressure was on.

France vs Argentina as a potential last 16 tie, could be mouth watering. At the same stage was 4-3 the French in 2018.

As it is Poland verus Argy as the last pool game is going to be a big one.
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Mainland FCNiOi Oi Edgecumbetheprof
over 3 years ago
Poland only need to draw, really.  Argentina needs to win to ensure progression.
The Saudi vs Mexico game will be a real cracker, since (depending on the result from the above game) either can still qualify for the R16.


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Gooner 4 Life
over 3 years ago
Poland doing enough to keep in 0-0 at the half, would have been poor showing if Messi had scored from the spot, super soft penalty decision. Saudis pushing the mexicans to the wire too.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 3 years ago
Right now Mexico and Poland have the same points and goal difference 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 3 years ago
finishes like this and Poland go through on "fair play" points. All it takes is a goal or a card!

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Gooner 4 Life
over 3 years ago
Good win by Argentina. Looks like they have their mojo back. They looked really nervous in the first two games. They also looked to have settled on their best 11. The youngsters Enzo, the Man  City kid and McAllister look good prospects. And Messi is still Messi. Missed a penalty but his ability to beat people from a standing start is quite something. They have an easy-ish draw now too. They will beat Australia then it’s the Dutch, who have been average. Australia will try hard but Argentina is a huge step up from Denmark.
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