You can reasonably argue that he has done none of that.
Fred will be gone within 6 months, Sherman and Hudson are so far ahead why would they need him there?
Anthony Hudson - Technical advisor
If Ricky or Emblem was still the coach today, then the TV interview would of been 5min - 10min tops.. they would of just named the team, De Jong would of just nodded like a puppet on strings, and then pissed off feeling smug. Where is Hudson took the time and effort - including a power point display to outline his plan.
You can reasonably argue that he has done none of that.
Guess he's done this "Take ownership of, prepare, and control programmes and budgets for all men's and women’s international teams"
By take control, i mean he tried to reduce the amount of bottles water our youth teams were allowed to take to qualifying tournaments in the islands.
You're joking right?
Unfortunately not.
That is fucking unbelievable. Save dollars sure, but don't pinch pennies.
That really sums up why he should be gone
Nathan Rarere is more of a fan.
Then the name water boy is truely appropriate then. 2nd best can you provide a little more detail?
That presentation was so good and passionate I must admit I have watched it a second time. If he did anything similar at his interview you sort of would understand how he got the job
You can reasonably argue that he has done none of that.
Fred will be gone within 6 months, Sherman and Hudson are so far ahead why would they need him there?
Jeez , I hope your right ...but once your on the FIFA gravy train ,it takes a fair bit to get off...
You can reasonably argue that he has done none of that.
Fred will be gone within 6 months, Sherman and Hudson are so far ahead why would they need him there?
Jeez , I hope your right ...but once your on the FIFA gravy train ,it takes a fair bit to get off...
Any idea how to listen to that radio interview posted? Can't see a link
The biggest single thing that I took away from that 30 min watch is that there was no culture and it looks like there never has been. As he kinda illustrated and reading between the lines
- no code of conduct
- players setting tactics
- players and staff too close
- no accountability of performance
- no repercussions from performance
In other words, the tail was well and truly wagging the dog and either the dog was not too fussed by it or completely dumb to the fact in changing it...
I think Hudson knows what he has on his plate now and is off to fix it. I for one, am onboard and if its not successful, I can appreciate that at the end of his reign, the team will be in a much better shape for the next man. I thought Hudson had inherited a decent team but listening to him, sounds more like just a bunch of players that happened to wear the same colour shirt.
A word of caution: the same happened in '05 when Ricki took over.
There was a culture of greed when Ricki stepped up, no pride in the shirt either.
I totally agree with you Jeff.
I was NEVER a fan of Herbert the manager as I thought he was as guilty as anyone for what happened in France, and then did the dirty on Mick, poor. Not for one minute have I ever thought Ricki qualified us for SA, it just happened the stars aligned as witnessed with our rapid fall from grace post WC.
There was a clear drop in AW quality after Ricki started, given he got on the wrong side of our best players at the very start of our reign (obviously over the money thing) and it was only when Ryan and Simon in particular saw a chance of playing at the WC did we drastically improve in '09.
Anyway
Fast forward to today.... I've not yet watched the presentation that many here have a hard on for, sounds good but until I see results I will reserve my judgement.
Many of us here have been saying the things that he mentioned for a long time, nothing groundbreaking about aligning our international teams, should have happened ages ago really.
At least with most of the '82 old boys gone NZF can finally make those changes that so many of us have been harping on for for so long.
Opinion from Hay.. link
As much as I liked his presentation I am struggling to see the reason why Moss is not in the side, unless he has really been dropped. I understand that Hudson still sees him as the number one but wants to see others? Well I would imagine that Gleeson will play both games against China and Thailand - that is fine and he could still do that with Moss in the squad. Hudson also wants to change the culture, well assuming that Moss is viewed as part of the team going forward and one of the leaders wouldn't he want him involved in this contact time? The young goalie he has picked on the bench he is going to see plenty of during the under 20 campaign or potentially the Olympics surely? Someone a little while back, said it was to help out the Phoeonix but I don't buy that as we brought an Ausi for that express purpose to be Moss's number two and he has just signed a contract extension. Reading between the lines I can't think of one good reason why Moss wouldn't be in the squad, unless Hudson truely doesn't rate him and wants him gone. Thoughts?
Make a statement that no one is safe?
I agree. He should be there.
As much as I liked his presentation I am struggling to see the reason why Moss is not in the side, unless he has really been dropped. I understand that Hudson still sees him as the number one but wants to see others? Well I would imagine that Gleeson will play both games against China and Thailand - that is fine and he could still do that with Moss in the squad. Hudson also wants to change the culture, well assuming that Moss is viewed as part of the team going forward and one of the leaders wouldn't he want him involved in this contact time? The young goalie he has picked on the bench he is going to see plenty of during the under 20 campaign or potentially the Olympics surely? Someone a little while back, said it was to help out the Phoeonix but I don't buy that as we brought an Ausi for that express purpose to be Moss's number two and he has just signed a contract extension. Reading between the lines I can't think of one good reason why Moss wouldn't be in the squad, unless Hudson truely doesn't rate him and wants him gone. Thoughts?
Hudson has said Moss is our number one and there would be a massive step up for the #2 if he got injured. I doubt Gleeson will play all 180 minutes. They are in camp together for 7 days I think. That is a good amount of time to make a judgement on both of those keepers.
As much as I liked his presentation I am struggling to see the reason why Moss is not in the side, unless he has really been dropped. I understand that Hudson still sees him as the number one but wants to see others? Well I would imagine that Gleeson will play both games against China and Thailand - that is fine and he could still do that with Moss in the squad. Hudson also wants to change the culture, well assuming that Moss is viewed as part of the team going forward and one of the leaders wouldn't he want him involved in this contact time? The young goalie he has picked on the bench he is going to see plenty of during the under 20 campaign or potentially the Olympics surely? Someone a little while back, said it was to help out the Phoeonix but I don't buy that as we brought an Ausi for that express purpose to be Moss's number two and he has just signed a contract extension. Reading between the lines I can't think of one good reason why Moss wouldn't be in the squad, unless Hudson truely doesn't rate him and wants him gone. Thoughts?
Think it's far more valuable to have the 2nd choice keeper than have a younger guy like Sail for a little bit of experience.
Hudson's main problem is time with the team. He already knows what Moss can do and he's one of the few guys who is consistently playing week in week out.
Anyway, I think Hudson presents himself well. Whether this translates to improvement on the pitch is yet to be seen; I hope he doesn't get weighed down by the politics of NZ football. Also, even if he does everything perfectly there is still a pretty big chance we won't improve that much due to the small pool of players and the fact he has to re-work everything from the ground up.
Too bad Ryan and Simon aren't around and in their prime still. Reid is a great player but he isn't the talismanic figure we need.
don't be surprised to see Hay involved in the national setup sometime soon - just a gut feeling and this article and the fact at the ACFC vs Team Welly game Danny was hanging off Hudsons shoulder.
arse kissing?
my opinion on moss and durante is that, as senior players, they were unintentionally part of the culture problem.
removing them for a while and inviting them back when the culture has been redefined hastens the cultural correction and implies that their off the field 'contribution' is no longer essential
arse kissing?
my opinion on moss and durante is that, as senior players, they were unintentionally part of the culture problem.
removing them for a while and inviting them back when the culture has been redefined hastens the cultural correction and implies that their off the field 'contribution' is no longer essential
I think also when you talk about players who are comfortable, Moss is one of them. So maybe just trying to create a bit of pressure, he's clear no. 1/for club and country without any amazing performances for either. Of course if the qualifier was tomorrow he'd start so he is no. 1
Bit rough to pun the culture on Durante? Surely pre dates him?
Dropping Durante was the best thing. You just have to look at his Nix performance yesterday. He lifted his game, and played well. He has to perform to get back into the AW. including Moss as well. I see it as a positive step.
without any amazing performances for either.
Central Coast last season. Mexico first leg.
arse kissing?
my opinion on moss and durante is that, as senior players, they were unintentionally part of the culture problem.
removing them for a while and inviting them back when the culture has been redefined hastens the cultural correction and implies that their off the field 'contribution' is no longer essential
I think also when you talk about players who are comfortable, Moss is one of them. So maybe just trying to create a bit of pressure, he's clear no. 1/for club and country without any amazing performances for either. Of course if the qualifier was tomorrow he'd start so he is no. 1
Bit rough to pun the culture on Durante? Surely pre dates him?
the durante thing is about the amount of influence that ricki allowed him to have. at times he ran things for the phoenix. no criticism from me; this is the ricki way. when durante joined the all whites, he was seriously considered for the captaincy. common sense prevailed in regards to his lack of international experience, but he was encouraged to adopt a similar type of role
This is somewhat of a conspiracy theory but did young Tommy ever have a run in with either of them? Tommy has had a guts full of the set up, says he will take a year off, Hudson has a coffee with him, no doubt picks his brain, tommy spews his guts? Hudson weighs up who is the future?
could be a goer
moss jokingly mentioned 'doing a tommy' in an interview the other day
without any amazing performances for either.
Central Coast last season. Mexico first leg.
You are kidding right? We conceded 5 against Mexico
it could have been 15. moss was amazing that day
I really don't know about Moss, he seems to make brilliant saves that you would expect to see out of a top level keeper one minute only to make a absolute rookie mistake the next. Gleeson in my opinion has deserved this call up for a very long time. He has actually been pretty solid (yes I know its only second div but still) in the USA from what I've been told. However it still confuses me why Hudson wouldn't call up Moss so he could watch the two side by side to compare if he really did see him as a possible number one UNLESS it is something to do with either the Phoenix or the team culture
without any amazing performances for either.
Central Coast last season. Mexico first leg.
You are kidding right? We conceded 5 against Mexico
Here's a coach that talks about a code of conduct and integrity. He has to practice what he preaches,
I'm sorry but I cannot believe that you do not have a personal axe to grind because this really is such a minor issue compared to the disaster that is our sport.
Totally agree.
Let's not forget Emblen didn't even formally apply for the job, saying only "they know where to find me".
Hudson doesn't owe Emblen anything and has been more than respectful towards him anyway.
It's unfortunate because Emblen does seem like a nice guy who has something to offer, but if he ends up not involved with the AWs it's largely his own doing.
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
Having watched Hudson's presentation my take on Moss and Durante not being there (for now) is simply that Hudson has sussed out how little depth there is in the All Whites and that he needs to rotate as many players through the squad as quickly as possible just so he can check out some other options first hand. Durante, in particular, is probably a bit of a long shot for 2018 anyway.
You could conspiracy theorise about the rest of it but without any actual evidence. More may come to light of course.
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
I think it's already been mentioned but I think the most obvious answer for Moss and Durante being left out is the much closer working relationship between NZF and the Phoenix these days. There is cover for Doyle, McGlinchey Fenton and Brockie but not so much at centre back once Boxall's gone and Italiano is untested at A-League level.
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
i listened to hudson talking to smithy and nathan rarere the other day and he said that it was imperative that the staff are qualified
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
i listened to hudson talking to smithy and nathan rarere the other day and he said that it was imperative that the staff are qualified
Nathan Rarere though...that was some top football analysis
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
i listened to hudson talking to smithy and nathan rarere the other day and he said that it was imperative that the staff are qualified
People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
i listened to hudson talking to smithy and nathan rarere the other day and he said that it was imperative that the staff are qualified
Nathan Rarere though...that was some top football analysis
'I like that Dan Keat bloke because he took a pot shot once'
Brilliant. Ah well, good to have people enthusiastic at least.