People also seem to think that he didn't have the qualifications. If he was serious he would have been sitting his Fifa coaching certs.
i listened to hudson talking to smithy and nathan rarere the other day and he said that it was imperative that the staff are qualified
Nathan Rarere though...that was some top football analysis
(obviously) hudson said it, not rarere
I know everyone loves to see youth bring injected and I accept that there is a gap of 22-26 year olds but are the U-20 players Hudson is picking better, or definitely will be, better than the likes of Eager etc? It's not like the Wanderers are setting the ASB Premiership alight..
I don't know the players so keen on others views..
I share your reservations.
Thats very true and the hardest part is for people accept is that today, we are going to get humped. In 4 years time, those kids wont be U20s. They will be the Kosta, Ryan and Marco of tomorrow as such. Its short term pain, long term gain and I applaud him for seeing the bigger picture.
I will say though that I do ask if there are players in the ASBP whom would be worthy of a shout outside of his youth development vision. One comes to mind is Andrew Milne at ACFC. He is a LB and we need one. If we are giving Kayne Vincent a turn then this guy would be worth a nose. I think he would be about 25? Not saying he is the answer or would set the world on fire but he is an experienced guy around the right age where in 5 years time, he is still the right side of the coin. (I am using him as an example)
So, Michael Eager (whoever he is) is the new Aaron Clapham?
So, Michael Eager (whoever he is) is the new Aaron Clapham?
And the new new Chris James?
So Hudson's replacement for Bahrain got the sack. A draw with Yemen, and a 3-0 loss to the Saudi's in the Gulf Cup was all it took.
good call Hudson to come here then.
Pretty much guaranteed a job until the end of next World Cup qualifiers.
And if we make it a guarenteed 4 years thereafter
So it's basically a replica of Ricki's results against both those sides - Ricki got 1-1 draws with China, and lost 3-1 to Thailand.
All Hudson's proved so far is that he's better at talking s#*t than Ricki. Which, if we're honest, can hardly be called a monumental achievement.
Post of the week.
So it's basically a replica of Ricki's results against both those sides - Ricki got 1-1 draws with China, and lost 3-1 to Thailand.
All Hudson's proved so far is that he's better at talking s#*t than Ricki. Which, if we're honest, can hardly be called a monumental achievement.
We'd also have Bertos and Lochhead playing.
Yeah - we obviously need to build. Remember that a good chunk of this all whites team don't even make the first team in a mid placed A-League side.
It's obviously more about the age group and their potential than where they are playing now.
He is making the hard decisions, and should have the ability to do that, you've gotta break things before you fix them.
I thought we were already broken?
So it's basically a replica of Ricki's results against both those sides - Ricki got 1-1 draws with China, and lost 3-1 to Thailand.
All Hudson's proved so far is that he's better at talking s#*t than Ricki. Which, if we're honest, can hardly be called a monumental achievement.
I'm prepared to give Hudson a little bit of slack for the 1st year because he has talked about and laid out his plan and largely done what he has said (blooded new young players etc)
I would be interested if Roux survives. As identified in the Mexico game, he could not defend and nothing has suggested since that he can.
To be honest, Ricki had a bit more to work with in terms of experienced pros - Vicelich, Nelsen, Smeltz, Killen, Fallon, Elliott for part of it - these are the types of players we don't have avaliable right now. Too many young promising midgets.
The 1-1 draw with China two years ago was with a lot of youngsters too.
To be honest, Ricki had a bit more to work with in terms of experienced pros - Vicelich, Nelsen, Smeltz, Killen, Fallon, Elliot for part of it - these are the types of players we don't have avaliable right now. Too many young promising midgets.
What he lacks is an experienced midfield which Vicelich, Elliott and Brown gave Ricki. Hudson does not have that. He has got McGlinchey whom is more forward of midfield and then thats it. Its a massive hole in the middle.
At 38, Ivan whom is retired from AWs is still our best DM option. Thats the big ticket item right there. A bloody good DM would help this team no end. Albert Riera, your new country awaits you.
There are a few areas where we are light in experience and probably at this stage quality. Left and Right Backs..
There are a few areas where we are light in experience and probably at this stage quality. Left and Right Backs..
So it's basically a replica of Ricki's results against both those sides - Ricki got 1-1 draws with China, and lost 3-1 to Thailand.
All Hudson's proved so far is that he's better at talking s#*t than Ricki. Which, if we're honest, can hardly be called a monumental achievement.
I'm prepared to give Hudson a little bit of slack for the 1st year because he has talked about and laid out his plan and largely done what he has said (blooded new young players etc)
I would be interested if Roux survives. As identified in the Mexico game, he could not defend and nothing has suggested since that he can.
Gah, stupid technology - was just going to say that what it boils down to, is the players. Doesn't matter who the coach is, right now we don't have the player quality to be a genuinely competitive international side, and that won't change over a single World Cup cycle.
It's really something that will require a full generation to change, and that's assuming we do things right now - which is a hopeful assumption to make when it comes to NZ Football.
You don't think the current squad can grow as they mature? We surely have more players in top profesional leagues than the previous all whites:
2x PL players
1x Championship Player
1x Eredivisie Player
1x Ligue 1 player
1x Bundesliga 2 player
Thats half the starting 11 playing in some of the top leagues in europe - although "playing" is a bit of a stretch for Tuiloma, Wood, and Rojas.
Add to that the likes of McGlinchey and Barbarouses who are in the top tier of players in the A-League and we are surely on paper the best all whites squad.
they're young too, so theoretically should improve over the next few years.
So it's basically a replica of Ricki's results against both those sides - Ricki got 1-1 draws with China, and lost 3-1 to Thailand.
All Hudson's proved so far is that he's better at talking s#*t than Ricki. Which, if we're honest, can hardly be called a monumental achievement.
I'm prepared to give Hudson a little bit of slack for the 1st year because he has talked about and laid out his plan and largely done what he has said (blooded new young players etc)
I would be interested if Roux survives. As identified in the Mexico game, he could not defend and nothing has suggested since that he can.
Gah, stupid technology - was just going to say that what it boils down to, is the players. Doesn't matter who the coach is, right now we don't have the player quality to be a genuinely competitive international side, and that won't change over a single World Cup cycle.
It's really something that will require a full generation to change, and that's assuming we do things right now - which is a hopeful assumption to make when it comes to NZ Football.
You don't think the current squad can grow as they mature? We surely have more players in top profesional leagues than the previous all whites:
2x PL players
1x Championship Player
1x Eredivisie Player
1x Ligue 1 player
1x Bundesliga 2 player
Thats half the starting 11 playing in some of the top leagues in europe - although "playing" is a bit of a stretch for Tuiloma, Wood, and Rojas.
Add to that the likes of McGlinchey and Barbarouses who are in the top tier of players in the A-League and we are surely on paper the best all whites squad.
When Tuiloma plays 1st team (he has not ) and Rojas and Wood leave the bench, then your argument becomes valid. As Hudson pointed out, only 3 players are playing 1st team football at any level that counts. Wood and Rojas have talent but suggests they are in either too high a league for their talent to get game time, or they are not good enough. We know they have talent so the former is more likely to be true. In fact with Marco, if he just stayed injury free, then he would probably get a run.
At the world cup we qualified for we only had one player getting regular time at a decent level - Nelson.
At the peak of our abilities we had three, Nelson, Reid, Wood. Nelson was better than Reid but Reid still has improvement in him. The rest of the squad should be stronger because the A-League is stronger.
You don't think the current squad can grow as they mature? We surely have more players in top profesional leagues than the previous all whites:
2x PL players
1x Championship Player
1x Eredivisie Player
1x Ligue 1 player
1x Bundesliga 2 player
Thats half the starting 11 playing in some of the top leagues in europe - although "playing" is a bit of a stretch for Tuiloma, Wood, and Rojas.
Add to that the likes of McGlinchey and Barbarouses who are in the top tier of players in the A-League and we are surely on paper the best all whites squad.
I think that's a pretty generous assessment given where some of those players actually are (and the 2010 squad was, in my view, the best ever All Whites squad, and it could be years before we have it that good again).
But all that is really beside the point - because ultimately, being the best AWS squad isn't really that far from being the tallest dwarf in the world. It's an interesting debate for fans, but doesn't really address the biggie, which is the squad's overall competetiveness at the international level. And it's not really there right now, nor has it been there historically, at least consistently (2010 notwithstanding, and I'm sure that in all honesty, most fans will admit that we did overachieve there).
I guess I've been beating this drum since I watched a lot of EURO qualifiers over the weekend - and I'm talking here sides like Austria, Sweden, Montenegro, Czech Republic, Iceland - sides which I guess most people on this forum would think we could compete against, and I compare that with what happened last night, and yeah. We don't even belong in the same sentence there.
Oh there is no way we could compete with those sides. Not this team.
Ok, so I've been thinking about this a bit. It's easy to get carried away with the angst 3 games into the Hudson era. However, it's always difficult to take too much away from friendlies. We looked awful against Uzbekistan and Thailand and alright against China. Of those, the Uzbek game was the first one that Hudson was in charge for, and the Thailand game we started strongly, and were presumably tired from having just played recently and having travelled. There are some worrying issues in the team though (FB, DM, finishing).
Having said that, I'm still confident about the future of this team. Because we have a commitment to playing as many games as possible in the next few years, a coach with a plan he wants to impose on our age-group teams as well, and a squad full of youngsters who will hopefully develop nicely.
Now if only our boys would go to teams where they can play regularly, because sitting on the bench in the EPL, Championship, or 2. Bundesliga might be lucrative and give you access to sweet training facilities but not playing regularly really makes a big difference to your performance when you do get a game.
At the world cup we qualified for we only had one player getting regular time at a decent level - Nelson.
At the peak of our abilities we had three, Nelson, Reid, Wood. Nelson was better than Reid but Reid still has improvement in him. The rest of the squad should be stronger because the A-League is stronger.
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Anyone that still spells Nelsen 'Nelson' should be banned from the internet.
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Now if only our boys would go to teams where they can play regularly, because sitting on the bench in the EPL, Championship, or 2. Bundesliga might be lucrative and give you access to sweet training facilities but not playing regularly really makes a big difference to your performance when you do get a game.
Nailed it. This is the biggest problem right now.
Ok, so I've been thinking about this a bit. It's easy to get carried away with the angst 3 games into the Hudson era. However, it's always difficult to take too much away from friendlies. We looked awful against Uzbekistan and Thailand and alright against China. Of those, the Uzbek game was the first one that Hudson was in charge for, and the Thailand game we started strongly, and were presumably tired from having just played recently and having travelled.
And from a Chinese perspective, some pundits are disappointed that they could only manage a draw against NZ, but are much happier with a good performance against Honduras despite a scoreless draw (2nd half they dominated which is a bit of a novelty).
Honduras, ranked 69th had just been spanked by Japan 6-0 (ranked 52nd).
Also in June last year Thailand trounced China 5-1 (this then led to the coach Camacho being sacked).
Make of that what you will!
Kosta certainly is an experienced pro.
It's just that Nelsen, Killen, Elliot and Vicelich were all better experienced pros. Which I think is what everyone has been saying
At the world cup we qualified for we only had one player getting regular time at a decent level - Nelson.
At the peak of our abilities we had three, Nelson, Reid, Wood. Nelson was better than Reid but Reid still has improvement in him. The rest of the squad should be stronger because the A-League is stronger.
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Anyone that still spells Nelsen 'Nelson' should be banned from the internet.
[quote=ConanTroutman]
Now if only our boys would go to teams where they can play regularly, because sitting on the bench in the EPL, Championship, or 2. Bundesliga might be lucrative and give you access to sweet training facilities but not playing regularly really makes a big difference to your performance when you do get a game.
Nailed it. This is the biggest problem right now.
Ok, so I've been thinking about this a bit. It's easy to get carried away with the angst 3 games into the Hudson era. However, it's always difficult to take too much away from friendlies. We looked awful against Uzbekistan and Thailand and alright against China. Of those, the Uzbek game was the first one that Hudson was in charge for, and the Thailand game we started strongly, and were presumably tired from having just played recently and having travelled.
And from a Chinese perspective, some pundits are disappointed that they could only manage a draw against NZ, but are much happier with a good performance against Honduras despite a scoreless draw (2nd half they dominated which is a bit of a novelty).
Honduras, ranked 69th had just been spanked by Japan 6-0 (ranked 52nd).
Also in June last year Thailand trounced China 5-1 (this then led to the coach Camacho being sacked).
Make of that what you will!
There was a (Thai) school of thought that the 5-1 result was cooked up at boardroom level - it gave the Chinese the excuse they needed to get rid of Comacho, while giving a Thai FA chairman Worawi Makudi a chance to show his many critics that Thailand was on the right track ahead of re-election.
This would be not surprising, but it would also be consistent with a very woeful record under Camacho and a dysfunctional team (it had also been thrashed 8-0 by Brasil earlier in his tenure). I don't think any of the players were particularly warm to him. He had a translator who had no football background so much of his instructions were poorly conveyed. His appointment was at the insistence of the CFAs rich sponsor rather than the CFA and was at the expense of the most successful coach in almost 40 years (and Camacho's record was one of the worst).
If it was a stitch up I don't think anyone in China would have minded!
The jury is still out with Perrin, but there has been some encouraging signs and a modest rise in FIFA rankings.
To be honest, Ricki had a bit more to work with in terms of experienced pros - Vicelich, Nelsen, Smeltz, Killen, Fallon, Elliott for part of it - these are the types of players we don't have avaliable right now. Too many young promising midgets.
But seen as giants by Thai supporters. This from the comments beneath the match report on the NZ football website:
Somboon Saengtuangkit Adelaide College of TAFE Big guys but run like a buffalo, how can your team win any.
(Best summary of the game I've seen to be honest...
And, a new nickname for the All Whites perhaps: "Buffalo Boys")
Kosta certainly is an experienced pro.
It's just that Nelsen, Killen, Elliot and Vicelich were all better experienced pros. Which I think is what everyone has been saying
We also had a core group of players, playing together week in week out with a coach they knew
